Vic Club dominating (10 flags in 11 years)

[beema limapep]

What a croc of shit. You do realise Fremantle have never played a game on their home ground. Till now we didn't even play at a neutral venue, we played at our rivals home ground.
Sure WC had a real advantage but that is no longer.
Perth stadium is a neutral venue, as much or if not more than the MCG is.

You happily signed up to the deal.

 

[wal]

You happily signed up to the deal.

What deal? This imbecile wants all finals in Melbourne because according to him the MCG is the only neutral venue

 

[Bone71]

LOL you dont actually believe what you wrote do you, more split for members outside Melbourne......try 50% less for club members if outside Melbourne, corporates wont miss out no matter where the game was played.

Take out the MCC & a majority of AFL members (won't travel & the ones that do will be real fans of one of the clubs). Suddenly its not that hard to fit the corporates and a similar allocation of club members guarantee (probably more at the new WA stadium).

 

[bh90210fan]

We probably had a win rate of 71% at Princes Park. All the true homegrounds were fortresses before we all got manipulated to play on the more central and neutral grounds of MCG and Docklands. Playing a home game at Princes Park would be every bit as much an advantage that interstate clubs get in their homeground finals or Geelong at Kardinia Park.
Docklands we have win rate of less than 40%. As someone that has gone since 1982 regularly I can honestly say there is no homeground advantage for us anymore. Some times there is a home state crowd advantage a few times a year but that is no more an advantage than playing at Waverley Park v Crows in 1993 when our real homeground with a genuine distinct advantage interstate enjoy now, would have been at Princes Park.

As Home Team
Princes Park 933 played 655 won 15 draws 263 losses 71.01% win rate
M.C.G. 99 played 44 won 2 draws 53 losses 45.45% win rate
Docklands 84 played 31 won 53 losses 36.90% win rate

We cannot get back to Princes Park as John Elliott got us in debt with his stupid Legends Stand idea.
On top of that he oversaw the salary cap figure he pretended was not going to stay and we copped a massive fine at worst possible time that all lead up to us needing to leave just to keep head above water.
It is actually why we went into worst period in our clubs history.
Having no real homeground to enjoy I will always lay blame at him. I will concede in his own deluded mind he thought he was doing the best thing at the time but he was dead wrong and pig headed. Hence we voted the clown out. He thought signing Pagan up as last resort to win favour would save him. Clueless.
Our own fault for letting him stay on for so long. Should have been gone mid 90's at latest.

The ground is now totally different with no members stand end like used to be there and would need millions upon millions to get it up to standard to hold over 30,000 again.
I do not think that is viable for 3 or 4 games a year against the Suns, GWS, Fremantle and Port types.
The moment was lost in the 1990's.
1994 when we were destroying teams at our fortress before he built that stupid stand was the beginning of the end of our homeground.

This is what playing on a homeground feels like.



Imagine us playing our finals at a true homeground with distinct advantage like this.
That is what interstate clubs get to have as a soft path to grand final if they finish top two.
They do not get it of making grand finals and winning on merit at the most appropriate and neutral venue it seems.
They want that unfairness to last all the finals series and wins finals the soft way with distinct homeground advantages.
You got to laugh at some of the false spin of their ideas on fairness as their motivation to steal grand final from home of the game itself at most neutral venue.

Thanks for the history lesson but you forgot to mention getting caught cheating the salary cap on numerous occasions and being excluded from the pre season draft in 2000 and 2002, as well as being forced to forfeit 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2001.

I reckon that might have had a big bearing on Carlton’s shocking home record after they were moved from Princess Park in 2004.

Home grounds in Victoria are just as much of a fortress for home teams as any other ground. Richmond this year went at around 90% home wins and 50% away wins - just like the rest of the top teams.

When you’re up and about your home ground is a fortress for all teams. Freo only won 4 games in 2015 after finishing top of the table. The Brisbane Lions have won 3 flags but still only have a 55% home win ratio. Sydney only 56%

Carlton’s home record at Etihad is skewed due to the fact you got caught cheating and were punished for it just before you were forced to move.

There is hope for you though, when you put a decent team together and develop a game plan that works history shows you can make your home ground a fortress too just like any other team around the country.

Here is a little inspiration to help keep your chin up

https://amp.geelongadvertiser.com.a...e/news-story/e98f579a01edec5c4d626a5e51d4cf2c

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I agree with those advantages, most do. But none of those other finals you can win the cup. So really in the only game that matters the Vic teams have an advantage over the non Vic teams.

They can lose you the cup is you fail to cash in with a win at home though. Freo 2015 for example. Choked at home and blew a chance for a neutral gf against the eagles.

Chockos Port another example

 

[greatwhiteshark]

They can lose you the cup is you fail to cash in with a win at home though. Freo 2015 for example. Choked at home and blew a chance for a neutral gf against the eagles.

Chockos Port another example

All true.

 

[Bokonon_]

They can lose you the cup is you fail to cash in with a win at home though. Freo 2015 for example. Choked at home and blew a chance for a neutral gf against the eagles.

Chockos Port another example

I dont get Freo choked. I think they showed a bit of fight. That was a great Hawks side in an elimination game. I lost $50 on the Hawks at the 40 point line it's true, and I rarely bet.

 

[blue harvest]

I dont get Freo choked. I think they showed a bit of fight. That was a great Hawks side in an elimination game. I lost $50 on the Hawks at the 40 point line it's true, and I rarely bet.

They somewhat choked in the last quarter. Rioli got 2 goals from giant **** ups, who could forget that Sheridan dropped mark, I think my avatar is the second of those goals.

 

[Bokonon_]

They somewhat choked in the last quarter. Rioli got 2 goals from giant **** ups, who could forget that Sheridan dropped mark, I think my avatar is the second of those goals.

It's all perception, mine was they played to their best.I cant say your wrong though, I take your point

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I dont get Freo choked. I think they showed a bit of fight. That was a great Hawks side in an elimination game. I lost $50 on the Hawks at the 40 point line it's true, and I rarely bet.

That too.

I have also mentioned earlier that maybe Geelong and Hawthorn (seven of the ten Vic flags) were just very good teams.

 

[ManOfClay]

I meant the Swans v Bulldogs

We won our grand final, you didn’t. Simple

 

[its been done]

Geelong will get gifted the premiership by the VFL next year because of Ablettfield

 

[Colonial]

Geelong will get gifted the premiership by the VFL next year because of Ablettfield

Nah they still have the Demons and Saints in the nation wide "Break the hoodoo" tour

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[LoungeLizard]

so many follow this corrupt AFL.
hilarious

 

[flamingEMBERS]

That's right as cannot be avoided if we want it at the best venue for the grand finale of our game.
The difference is the grand final is played at the MCG. The most neutral ground in the game that also happens to hold the most capacity by far.
It is not played there because it is any teams home ground.
They happen to play home games at the venue that is the home of footy itself and have no home team rights on grand final day.

Etihad is the most neutral venues. Interstate teams actually get quite a few games there.

 

[beema limapep]

so many follow this corrupt AFL.
hilarious

Tonight on seven nightly news Perth, the AFL and Victorian Clubs shot JFK.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Tonight on seven nightly news Perth, the AFL and Victorian Clubs shot JFK.

Won't be on 7, they never talk about Perth

 

[Underarm]

Interesting that on 2018 Table Predictions thread Richmond supporters saying that they will be at the top end of the table due to their 14 games at The MCG while on this thread arguing that the MCG home advantage is nothing and interstate clubs are whining. Please make up your mind.

Are they the same posters making 2 different points? Or are we all supposed to think alike? 14 games at the MCG is great for the club, but only 5 are against others. You can't give us credit for the advantage, and give Collingwood the same credit for advantage when we both play each other at the Ground.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You can't give us credit for the advantage, and give Collingwood the same credit for advantage when we both play each other at the Ground.

Of course he can. Everybody knows Vic teams have home ground advantage against each other when they play at the MCG.

 

[bh90210fan]

Of course he can. Everybody knows Vic teams have home ground advantage against each other when they play at the MCG.

Yeah the ground is neutral when two mcg tenants play each other. What are the odds of all 4 tenants being genuine contenders at the same time? Minimal I would have thought.

Subi is nuetral for Freo and West Coast but when Freo were contending in 2012 - 2014 they kicked our but continuously. I remember games being over by 1/4 time against them. Only now they are rebuilding have we got the wood over them again.

There would on average be only a few genuine contenders from Vic and a few from Interstate.

Contenders have always had a fantastic home record even Vic clubs who share their home ground with others. That’s because while some vic clubs are contending, others are falling off a cliff, rebuilding or just average.

Sure you play more nuetral games during the H&A but you only jump on a plane 5 or 6 times a year to receive the distinct disadvantage interstate teams are faced with 10 times or more every year.

When your team is contending and your home ground is the MCG then imo that is the biggest advantage in the game

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yeah the ground is neutral when two mcg tenants play each other. What are the odds of all 4 tenants being genuine contenders at the same time? Minimal I would have thought.

Subi is nuetral for Freo and West Coast but when Freo were contending in 2012 - 2014 they kicked our but continuously. I remember games being over by 1/4 time against them. Only now they are rebuilding have we got the wood over them again.

There would on average be only a few genuine contenders from Vic and a few from Interstate.

Contenders have always had a fantastic home record even Vic clubs who share their home ground with others. That’s because while some vic clubs are contending, others are falling off a cliff, rebuilding or just average.

Sure you play more nuetral games during the H&A but you only jump on a plane 5 or 6 times a year to receive the distinct disadvantage interstate teams are faced with 10 times or more every year.

When your team is contending and your home ground is the MCG then imo that is the biggest advantage in the game

Tenant schmenant.

Its neutral when any of the ten Vic teams play each other at the G or at Etihad. The only Vic teams to have a genuine home ground advantage against other Vic teams is Geelong at Geelong

The disadvantage interstate teams get from travel is offset by the massive home ground advantage they receive against Vic teams who dont travel as often or as well. A good middle of the road interstate team can win 8 out of ten home games, one derby, and three easy road trips and still easily limp into the finals without a lot of effort. Vic teams only get 3-4 games a year with genuine home state advantage , offset by 3-4 road trips and the rest are neutral (Geelong excepted)

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Tenant schmenant.

Its neutral when any of the ten Vic teams play each other at the G or at Etihad. The only Vic teams to have a genuine home ground advantage against other Vic teams is Geelong at Geelong

The disadvantage interstate teams get from travel is offset by the massive home ground advantage they receive against Vic teams who dont travel as often or as well. A good middle of the road interstate team can win 8 out of ten home games, one derby, and three easy road trips and still easily limp into the finals without a lot of effort. Vic teams only get 3-4 games a year with genuine home state advantage , offset by 3-4 road trips and the rest are neutral (Geelong excepted)

No doubt at all that is an advantage for the non Vic sides, it still doesn’t ever balance out that on that last day in September playing for the premiership against a Vic side that the Vic side has a big advantage. The exact same advantage the non Vic sides have playing at home. It is real and it is there. It is only the really great footy sides that have overcome it.

 

[bh90210fan]

Tenant schmenant.

Its neutral when any of the ten Vic teams play each other at the G or at Etihad. The only Vic teams to have a genuine home ground advantage against other Vic teams is Geelong at Geelong

The disadvantage interstate teams get from travel is offset by the massive home ground advantage they receive against Vic teams who dont travel as often or as well. A good middle of the road interstate team can win 8 out of ten home games, one derby, and three easy road trips and still easily limp into the finals without a lot of effort. Vic teams only get 3-4 games a year with genuine home state advantage , offset by 3-4 road trips and the rest are neutral (Geelong excepted)

What’s the point of finishing middle of the table and limping into finals year in year out?

I’d rather get home grand finals or high draft picks

 

[Bokonon_]

Tenant schmenant.

Its neutral when any of the ten Vic teams play each other at the G or at Etihad. The only Vic teams to have a genuine home ground advantage against other Vic teams is Geelong at Geelong

The disadvantage interstate teams get from travel is offset by the massive home ground advantage they receive against Vic teams who dont travel as often or as well. A good middle of the road interstate team can win 8 out of ten home games, one derby, and three easy road trips and still easily limp into the finals without a lot of effort. Vic teams only get 3-4 games a year with genuine home state advantage , offset by 3-4 road trips and the rest are neutral (Geelong excepted)

Mmm
Two Vic teams play home gamrs inTassie,the bulldogs in, Ballarat and Melbourne intheNT.

 

[Rance2Mewtwo]

What’s the point of finishing middle of the table and limping into finals year in year out?

I’d rather get home grand finals or high draft picks

Looking at the ladder of the last 5 years, you're correct.

Vic clubs 3 of the top 4, but 7 of the bottom 10.

Interstate clubs dominate in that above average making finals spot.