Vic Club dominating (10 flags in 11 years)

[Happy_Neale]

All those game styles are and supremely successful in home games but they don't always travel that best away from home and are often, even less effective in finals at the MCG.

That's a good point. So why should Adelaide be disadvantaged by playing a ground that they had no chance to practice on and refine their game plan? They were the higher ranked team after all. Imagine if Richmond played on the G all year like they do every season then going to play the game at Adelaide Oval, there would be uproar. All in the name of tradition though hey.

 

[Bokonon_]

Fremantles' start up concession were a case study of what happens when the AFL does not put in enough assistance to new clubs. Have a look at them and compare them with GC/GWS. Remarkable difference.

I think the reason the recent expansion clubs got concessions we did was partly the lessons learnt from the Freo entry.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Fremantles' start up concession were a case study of what happens when the AFL does not put in enough assistance to new clubs. Have a look at them and compare them with GC/GWS. Remarkable difference.

I think the reason the recent expansion clubs got concessions we did was partly the lessons learnt from the Freo entry.

For reference (from Wikipedia):

Fremantle's initial squad of 50 players was compiled from a mixture of uncontracted players from other AFL clubs (maximum of 12 over two years), players who had previously nominated for the AFL draft but not been selected (unlimited from the WAFL, two each from the SANFL, VFL and TFL), up to ten delisted AFL players, trades with any other AFL club, unlimited selections from their four "aligned" WAFL clubs and selections 1, 4 and then the first two selections in each round of the 1994 AFL draft

 

[Leeda]

temporary infractions. those pesky interstates.. they just play their part and then again they show how good we vics are.

what do you expect me to say?

 

[Roovolution]

Melbourne to win it this year. Next Victorian fairytale to happen courtesy of the VFL.

 

[PowerForGood]

I think the reason the recent expansion clubs got concessions we did was partly the lessons learnt from the Freo entry.

How did this compare to Port Adelaides entry 2 years later?

 

[PowerForGood]

About 5 interstaters whining about having to play 10 away games.

These are not all in Melbourne.

If a WA side has 11 home games and plays the derby "away" but in WA then there are 10 away games left. That is only 10 weeks of travel.

Then, assuming the AFL is normal with its "fix"-turing, the WA club will play 1 away game in SA, QLD and NSW.

That leaves 7 away games in Melbourne.

For 2017 I have picked Richmond as the random Melbourne team. In 2017 Richmond played 6 games interstate and an away game in another town (Geelong).

That is 7 genuine away games for Richmond.

That is only 3 games differential in travelling versus the random WA side.

The WA side plays 11 home games, 10 of which are against sides from outside of WA.

Richmond played 11 home games, 5 of which were against sides from outside of Vic.

The difference is negligible.

The whining from interstaters is just that, whining.

Another nonsense post.

The only retort that makes any sense to Victorians is that if it makes a negligible difference, lets do it the other way.
Port travel 7 times and Richmond 10.
Grand Final in Adelaide guaranteed
After all, a negligible difference. Right?

 

[Bokonon_]

How did this compare to Port Adelaides entry 2 years later?

You can see the reference above, you tell me.
Without wanting to set off shitfight, Port were advantaged by being an existing club. My understanding is that few few players from the Magpies list were carried over to the AFL squad. The club infrastructure was there though and that has to have been an advantage.

 

[PowerForGood]

You can see the reference above, you tell me.
Without wanting to set off shitfight, Port were advantaged by being an existing club. My understanding is that few few players from the Magpies list were carried over to the AFL squad. The club infrastructure was there though and that has to have been an advantage.

Not many carried over into our flag team in 2004 i know.

 

[Leeda]

Melbourne to win it this year. Next Victorian fairytale to happen courtesy of the VFL.

well look join the revolution if you can... but well I have to say it will be a while.. no really..

get off your small horse and get on with it Melbourne...

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Would you still follow the Eagles?

You do know if there was only 2 Vic sides, the Grand Final would very rarely leave the MCG.

And if teams were taking the gate, interstate sides would probably nominate the MCG anyway.

Explain how that's so? The 2 Vic sides would have to travel every second week. There would be less "homesickness" due to the less amount of clubs based in Melbourne.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Grand Final should be rotated, every second year in Melbourne. Every other year in the other states. The host city would benefit hugely from tourism and get a boost back into their economy for investing in these great stadiums. Start an equal tradition and not one that heavily favours 10 teams. Otherwise we may as well have the Olympics in Athens every 4 years, because that's traditional. The Winter Olympics in France. The FIFA World cup in Uruguay. Cricket World Cup at Lords.

 

[Leeda]

Grand Final should be rotated, every second year in Melbourne. Every other year in the other states. The host city would benefit hugely from tourism and get a boost back into their economy for investing in these great stadiums. Start an equal tradition and not one that heavily favours 10 teams. Otherwise we may as well have the Olympics in Athens every 4 years, because that's traditional. The Winter Olympics in France. The FIFA World cup in Uruguay. Cricket World Cup at Lords.

of course you would promote this given that you have just rejuvenated your stadium.. but well it wouldn't be profitable because there are well only four interstate
clubs of interstate deviations.. or deviation.

Just shoot your mouth off about your wanting the granny in your home town but it won't happen unless it was to happen every two years or more.

so every interstate team would have to pay a grant of a few hundred thousand bucks to just have a game played there.

this is a load of utter rubbish and won't happen but i can see that you want it to be thought of as if you are still present..

No it isn't the World Cup, the Winter Games, the Olympic Games or even the backyard cricket..

Is that emphatic enough for your one eyed brain to work out?

 

[TooBlue14]

I think what is best for everyone is to play only the grand final at the MCG. Nothing else. No one gets to play there all year. We build another stadium or develop exisiting ones to give some homeground advantage. I.e. Visy park Carlton, Vic University oval dogs, punt road Richmond to align with the advantage Geelong get. Look at the FA Cup. Played at Wembley no ond gets it as a home ground. I'm sure the afl can afford to upgrade other grounds and leave the MCG just for the big one. That would be the ideal scenario.

 

[King Brown]

Fremantles' start up concession were a case study of what happens when the AFL does not put in enough assistance to new clubs. Have a look at them and compare them with GC/GWS. Remarkable difference.

They got the worst concessions, granted, but they also blew the ones they had. From memory they used a high draft pick on someone who ended up delisted before they even played a game.

Edit: it was Ben Edwards. And they could have got him as a zone selection, but wasted pick 7 on him.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

of course you would promote this given that you have just rejuvenated your stadium.. but well it wouldn't be profitable because there are well only four interstate
clubs of interstate deviations.. or deviation.

Just shoot your mouth off about your wanting the granny in your home town but it won't happen unless it was to happen every two years or more.

so every interstate team would have to pay a grant of a few hundred thousand bucks to just have a game played there.

this is a load of utter rubbish and won't happen but i can see that you want it to be thought of as if you are still present..

No it isn't the World Cup, the Winter Games, the Olympic Games or even the backyard cricket..

Is that emphatic enough for your one eyed brain to work out?

One eyed brain is the Victorians who don't ever want the AFL grand final to leave Victoria. That forget it's national competition and still think it's the VFL. That don't want to lose their advantage at winning the grand final. Are you afraid that you would enjoy a Grand Final in Perth? Are you scared that we don't have pokies in every bar?

No it wouldn't have to be here every second year. We wouldn't pay no stupid fee. Unless the Vic clubs pay a fee to have it in Melbourne. Of course it's not those games, this is a biased sporting competition biasing 10 teams. You are a peanut with no eyes open, let alone one. Mine are both open, and think it's every footy fans right to have the Grand Final in a state that boasts a team.

 

[Crow Envy]

I think what is best for everyone is to play only the grand final at the MCG. Nothing else. No one gets to play there all year. We build another stadium or develop exisiting ones to give some homeground advantage. I.e. Visy park Carlton, Vic University oval dogs, punt road Richmond to align with the advantage Geelong get. Look at the FA Cup. Played at Wembley no ond gets it as a home ground. I'm sure the afl can afford to upgrade other grounds and leave the MCG just for the big one. That would be the ideal scenario.

If the AFL have to play the GF at the MCG this is the only fair solution, but we know the AFL isn’t concerned about being fair and integrity of the competition, it’s all about money.

Richmond would not have beaten Adelaide at AO, the last time there we smashed them.

Of course supporters of Melbourne clubs can’t see a problem with it, but Geelong got a taste of being screwed this year.

The AFL is the dodgiest domestic competition in world sport.

 

[HighBudget]

This is probably dumb but I'll say it anyway

How about for the GF we have the two teams who make the GF play each other twice, one match at team A's home ground the next match at team B's home ground and what actually decides who wins the premiership is the team that wins by more points. So say in the first match team B wins by 22 points then that would mean that Team A would have to beat team B by at least 23 points in the second match to win the Premiership. kinda like in Football (soccer) with their two legged tie's. The team which finished higher on the ladder would get the second match at home.

I'm ready for the criticism lol

 

[Leeda]

One eyed brain is the Victorians who don't ever want the AFL grand final to leave Victoria. That forget it's national competition and still think it's the VFL. That don't want to lose their advantage at winning the grand final. Are you afraid that you would enjoy a Grand Final in Perth? Are you scared that we don't have pokies in every bar?

No it wouldn't have to be here every second year. We wouldn't pay no stupid fee. Unless the Vic clubs pay a fee to have it in Melbourne. Of course it's not those games, this is a biased sporting competition biasing 10 teams. You are a peanut with no eyes open, let alone one. Mine are both open, and think it's every footy fans right to have the Grand Final in a state that boasts a team.

great you have just been tortured into revealing information that we want.. no hardship there. we all get trampled in the rush to the graduation.
meaning that it is not all about us unlike some dire personalities who like to waffle and pretend that it is about them or it is not..

 

[flamingEMBERS]

great you have just been tortured into revealing information that we want.. no hardship there. we all get trampled in the rush to the graduation.
meaning that it is not all about us unlike some dire personalities who like to waffle and pretend that it is about them or it is not..

Look forward to your tears in 2037

 

[Harry Hook]

That's a good point. So why should Adelaide be disadvantaged by playing a ground that they had no chance to practice on and refine their game plan? They were the higher ranked team after all. Imagine if Richmond played on the G all year like they do every season then going to play the game at Adelaide Oval, there would be uproar. All in the name of tradition though hey.

To be frank, the grand final will be played at the MCG for the foreseeable future.

I'm not going to postulate about other possible systems because contractually the GF has to be at the MCG for the moment ( just as they had that insane contract with the MCG which required there be a final there and eventually that was got rid off). I will say I have some sympathy for all non MCG based clubs ( and note the only time recently a predomitably Etihad based Victorian club won were the Dogs who in the GF had the luck to be playing an interstate side rather than a MCG based Victorian side.

But I'm only interested in what IS and WAS not what SHOULD BE.

Now one of the reasons why in the past some Victorian teams beat teams like Sydney, St Kilda and Fremantle in GFs was because the moronic coaches of those respective clubs thought that playing a "style" ( and I use that word very loosely) that was successful at home would be successful for them in a GF and after the first couple I thought they would have learnt that. But to use the biblical proverb, like dogs returning to their vomit, they continued with it.

This year's GF result I'm still digesting because Adelaide's game style was not that bad. Perhaps there was an element of Adelaide going to water when it counted (as in part Port did versus Geelong).

 

[Harry Hook]

If the AFL have to play the GF at the MCG this is the only fair solution, but we know the AFL isn’t concerned about being fair and integrity of the competition, it’s all about money.

Richmond would not have beaten Adelaide at AO, the last time there we smashed them.

Of course supporters of Melbourne clubs can’t see a problem with it, but Geelong got a taste of being screwed this year.

The AFL is the dodgiest domestic competition in world sport.

Tell me how many predominately Etihad based sides have recently won the GF.

Tell me how many times, Etihad based teams had the opportunity to play their finals at Etihad as compared to the MCG recently.

You talk of Melbourne clubs as this monolithic group of clubs.

That said the system is what is and is designed around maximising financial return.

 

[wal]

That said the system is what is and is designed around maximising financial return.

If so why aren't struggling clubs allowed to sell home games to WA?

 

[Colonial]

Tell me how many predominately Etihad based sides have recently won the GF.

Tell me how many times, Etihad based teams had the opportunity to play their finals at Etihad as compared to the MCG recently.

You talk of Melbourne clubs as this monolithic group of clubs.

That said the system is what is and is designed around maximising financial return.

You mean the ground 10 mins down the road from the MCG?

Must be tough

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[beema limapep]

You mean the ground 10 mins down the road from the MCG?

Must be tough

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45 min in traffic. Roughly the flight time from Sydney to Melbs