Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[sr36]

The Eagles don’t get the benefit of manufactured blockbusters where neutrals top up the crowds like kings birthday, Anzac Day etc
They are event days.

Pull very big crowds at home consistently - particularly as they're the most expensive team to watch.

However, for Opening Round it's the interstate data that matters - WCE draw similar crowds away than the other non-Vics. Can't tell with the Vic clubs, as I haven't seen any comparisons on just their Non-Vic games.

 

[Carringbush2010]

many times.


Always said rarely pleasing and forever teasing etc.

What are you on about? Rarely pleasin forever teasing has been about Collingwood, zero relevance to 'vic bias'

 

[doppleganger]

Always ignores is a wee bit strong for something in it's second year.

Having said that, I think WA teams should be involved, as it it spreads out the season adding an extra week and an extra bye for the teams involved and could be used to help fixture better WA travel with less short breaks.

Perfect opportunity to have WA teams get their big travel trip of the season out the way early (with no fatigue) and they can get an extra bye to further help the travel schedule and time between games.

But the WA teams dont draw a crowd in NSW/QLD

AFL doesnt want to open the season with a half full circa 12k crowd at Giants stadium or Carrara, they want the full house and low 20k crowds.

So until they build their local fambase, they rely on the big VIC clubs to boost numbers.

That is also why Collingwood plays more games in NSW/QLD then we do in WA, the Eagles dont need the Pies to boost their crowd numbers.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Perfect opportunity to have WA teams get their big travel trip of the season out the way early (with no fatigue) and they can get an extra bye to further help the travel schedule and time between games.

But the WA teams dont draw a crowd in NSW/QLD

AFL doesnt want to open the season with a half full circa 12k crowd at Giants stadium or Carrara, they want the full house and low 20k crowds.

So until they build their local fambase, they rely on the big VIC clubs to boost numbers.

That is also why Collingwood plays more games in NSW/QLD then we do in WA, the Eagles dont need the Pies to boost their crowd numbers.

Still reckon the AFL are flogging a dead horse. That they have nit been able to build a fan base with strong sides is concerning. NSW traditionally watch sport on tv more than attending and the AFL thinking they will convert RL followers I think is a fantasy land.

 

[doppleganger]

Still reckon the AFL are flogging a dead horse. That they have nit been able to build a fan base with strong sides is concerning. NSW traditionally watch sport on tv more than attending and the AFL thinking they will convert RL followers I think is a fantasy land.

AFL are playing the loooonngg game, not sure why people think it is just a 10 year thing.

Auskick programs to get kids, more interest at schools, then as they grow up and have kids themselves you build the base which will take a generation.

South moved to Sydney early 1980s, early to mid 90s they were still battling. But now comfortably are locked in.

Plenty of room for two teams in both Sydney and Sth East QLD. It was always going to be a long term play. Things like opening round, academies are all part of the push

 

[sr36]

AFL are playing the loooonngg game, not sure why people think it is just a 10 year thing.

Auskick programs to get kids, more interest at schools, then as they grow up and have kids themselves you build the base which will take a generation.

South moved to Sydney early 1980s, early to mid 90s they were still battling. But now comfortably are locked in.

Plenty of room for two teams in both Sydney and Sth East QLD. It was always going to be a long term play. Things like opening round, academies are all part of the push

Yep. About the only organisation in Australia that is focussed on the long term. More kids playing now will eventually result in more adults watching and then more kids playing etc - it'll eventually start spiralling between generations.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

AFL are playing the loooonngg game, not sure why people think it is just a 10 year thing.

Auskick programs to get kids, more interest at schools, then as they grow up and have kids themselves you build the base which will take a generation.

South moved to Sydney early 1980s, early to mid 90s they were still battling. But now comfortably are locked in.

Plenty of room for two teams in both Sydney and Sth East QLD. It was always going to be a long term play. Things like opening round, academies are all part of the push

Yep that’s fair. Going to be real long I feel for GWS.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yep. About the only organisation in Australia that is focussed on the long term. More kids playing now will eventually result in more adults watching and then more kids playing.

I would like to see the AFL address the major issue of kids dropping out of footy at 15+
It is a huge issue and is becoming a bigger problem yearly.
There has always been a drop out but it’s significantly bigger than ever now.
Auskick numbers are good but many of them are just there because mum and dad want them there. I have been involved watching Auskick and up to under 12’s for many years and a number of them don’t even want to be there. You can see they have no interest at all.
Anyway I have drifted, the dropout of 14-15-16-17 years olds is bigger than ever and it’s a concern for the games future.

 

[sr36]

I would like to see the AFL address the major issue of kids dropping out of footy at 15+
It is a huge issue and is becoming a bigger problem yearly.
There has always been a drop out but it’s significantly bigger than ever now.
Auskick numbers are good but many of them are just there because mum and dad want them there. I have been involved watching Auskick and up to under 12’s for many years and a number of them don’t even want to be there. You can see they have no interest at all.
Anyway I have drifted, the dropout of 14-15-16-17 years olds is bigger than ever and it’s a concern for the games future.

How? Social factors well beyond AFL's remit would account for most of those would be my bet.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

How? Social factors well beyond AFL's remit would account for most of those would be my bet.

With players dropping out in huge numbers now this will eventually mean clubs at all levels will simply fold in time.
What’s the point of Auskick numbers if they don’t play after they 15?
one of the common answers is that they know at 15 they do t play AFL do they give it away, their interest in playing 200 gages for their local club is not encouraged or for state league level is not encouraged.
It’s a real problem in my opinion and one the AFL are simply ignoring.
You say how? I don’t know but they addressed and found answers to getting more kids to play Auskick.
You put people onto the job to come up with a plan .

 

[The Feeder Club]

I would like to see the AFL address the major issue of kids dropping out of footy at 15+
It is a huge issue and is becoming a bigger problem yearly.
There has always been a drop out but it’s significantly bigger than ever now.
Auskick numbers are good but many of them are just there because mum and dad want them there. I have been involved watching Auskick and up to under 12’s for many years and a number of them don’t even want to be there. You can see they have no interest at all.
Anyway I have drifted, the dropout of 14-15-16-17 years olds is bigger than ever and it’s a concern for the games future.

By "concern for the game's future" do you mean a concern for overall participation at the ammos level or a cocern for standard at the elite level?

I don't think there should be any concern about the latter, in fact part of the hollowing out of the year 10-12 junior comps is so many more kids now get siphoned off into development squads or the private school system and aren't allowed to play for their junior club any more.

If your concern is for overall participation, as sr26 says lots of other things are contributing to that, in addition to the siphoning off of talent

 

[sr36]

With players dropping out in huge numbers now this will eventually mean clubs at all levels will simply fold in time.
What’s the point of Auskick numbers if they don’t play after they 15?
one of the common answers is that they know at 15 they do t play AFL do they give it away, their interest in playing 200 gages for their local club is not encouraged or for state league level is not encouraged.
It’s a real problem in my opinion and one the AFL are simply ignoring.

I think it's inevitable that country and suburban clubs continue to fold. Just not sure if there's anything the AFL can do about it. Sports clubs have become less of a community focal point. To me it's a cultural shift well beyond the AFL

 

[greatwhiteshark]

By "concern for the game's future" do you mean a concern for overall participation at the ammos level or a cocern for standard at the elite level?

I don't think there should be any concern about the latter, in fact part of the hollowing out of the year 10-12 junior comps is so many more kids now get siphoned off into development squads or the private school system and aren't allowed to play for their junior club any more.

If your concern is for overall participation, as sr26 says lots of other things are contributing to that, in addition to the siphoning off of talent

Not concerned for the elite level as the good players will always get there. Yes I’m concerned for the sport below that. And the less players that play the lower the std becomes at the elite level in time.
All these development squads are a major factor in the drop out in my opinion. You tell a 13 year old he has been selected in a development squad it a state squad and he in his mind thinks he is a good player when in fact he possibly isn’t that good yet. Then they carry this achievement for the next few years, then don’t make the highest level and just walk away.
These squads have aimed at way to young players in my opinion. 15 is about the appropriate age you start selecting squads. Again this is my view.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I think it's inevitable that country and suburban clubs continue to fold. Just not sure if there's anything the AFL can do about it. Sports clubs have become less of a community focal point. To me it's a cultural shift well beyond the AFL

How does that sound good for the sports long term future?
The AFL won’t be very strong if you have a handful of leagues left in each state.
Anyway you don’t seem to think it’s an issue.

 

[AstonSouffle]

AFL are playing the loooonngg game, not sure why people think it is just a 10 year thing.

Auskick programs to get kids, more interest at schools, then as they grow up and have kids themselves you build the base which will take a generation.

South moved to Sydney early 1980s, early to mid 90s they were still battling. But now comfortably are locked in.

Plenty of room for two teams in both Sydney and Sth East QLD. It was always going to be a long term play. Things like opening round, academies are all part of the push

It's immensely impressive that they're looking 20-30 years into the future and genuinely look to want to stick it, this way of thinking is almost transcendent when compared to how Australia normally does business (i.e. do a restructure every two years, and focus on fixing self-inflicted processes, and repeat this process into infinity without focusing on the bigger picture).

 

[AstonSouffle]

How does that sound good for the sports long term future?
The AFL won’t be very strong if you have a handful of leagues left in each state.
Anyway you don’t seem to think it’s an issue.

The AFL should be throwing money and talent development and coaching, and incentivising AFL clubs to pick up players from indigenous, multicultural, regional under a certain population, public school pathways etc.

But right now, they seem to be a on warpath to turn the game in a private school game... whether this is a wise move long term remains to be seen.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The AFL should be throwing money and talent development and coaching, and incentivising AFL clubs to pick up players from indigenous, multicultural, regional under a certain population, public school pathways etc.

But right now, they seem to be a on warpath to turn the game in a private school game... whether this is a wise move long term remains to be seen.

It’s always been a private schools game.

 

[Muddiemoose]

The AFL should be throwing money and talent development and coaching, and incentivising AFL clubs to pick up players from indigenous, multicultural, regional under a certain population, public school pathways etc.

But right now, they seem to be a on warpath to turn the game in a private school game... whether this is a wise move long term remains to be seen.

The problem is the private schools just offer sports scholarships to any talented kids who are in the public system anyway

They don’t get recruited from public schools because they are all identified and moved out of the public schools early

The schools spend a lot of time investing in these talented kids because it’s good for business and raises the prestige of the school for rich parents who have grandiose dreams about their sons being an AFL player and sending them to a Scotch, St Pats or Assumption will be what makes it happen

When the actual talented kids are at that school for free

 

[peetoo]

How? Social factors well beyond AFL's remit would account for most of those would be my bet.

Need more Ginnivans - except when he fails to show and ruins kids entire lives

 

[sr36]

The AFL should be throwing money and talent development and coaching, and incentivising AFL clubs to pick up players from indigenous, multicultural, regional under a certain population, public school pathways etc.

But right now, they seem to be a on warpath to turn the game in a private school game... whether this is a wise move long term remains to be seen.

That's not the AFL. Private schools hand out scholarships to kids who are good at footy. Parents accept the scholarships.

 

[010203]

The anti Vic bias on display in the AFLW finals series is sickening to be honest. Brisbane, Adelaide, Fremantle and Port Adelaide will all have a home final on their home ground and proper home ground advantage against travelling teams while North Melbourne and Hawthorn have to make do with playing 'home' finals at Princess Park, which brings those two clubs no home ground advantage at all.