Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[Freshwater]

We, the Bulldogs get no more than two games at the MCG, year in year out. Geelong get 6! Yet if we qualify for final as the top ranked team, where do we play? That’s right the MCG! We had to play Collingwood for the second year running as the away team at Marvel. We miss out on getting a run at our home finals ground! How is this remotely fair?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

More likely they actually understand the only real important factor is getting ALL your home games on your own home ground.

Newcastle and Arsenal are both disadvantaged when playing Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

Only an idiot would try to claim it as a London based game, thus it is an advanrage to Arsenal.

No, an idiot would think a 10 team, single state comp would survive.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

We, the Bulldogs get no more than two games at the MCG, year in year out. Geelong get 6! Yet if we qualify for final as the top ranked team, where do we play? That’s right the MCG! We had to play Collingwood for the second year running as the away team at Marvel. We miss out on getting a run at our home finals ground! How is this remotely fair?

Its not, but rather than seek a fair national comp along with us you cower in the corner for the scraps.

 

[jakson68]

Youre whinging that many of your home games give you no advantage as theyre against co tennants ie. Richmond, Melbourne.
You cant cry no advantage then say those matchups pay the bills so they have to stay.

I am not the one who is whining, I have no issue with how the AFL is going.
It is the non Vic supporters that have been complaining. As they constantly seem to do.

Also how do the blockbuster co tenant games not be played at the G when it is both teams home ground.
We already play the Dogs at their home ground and call it our home game.

Where do you propose we play Carlton? Darwin.

Remember Power could have stayed in the 2nds league in SA but you chose to join the AFL.
So dont bitch because there are more Vic teams, there always have been and it is those big co tenant games that help you survive.

 

[Outtatym]

We, the Bulldogs get no more than two games at the MCG, year in year out. Geelong get 6! Yet if we qualify for final as the top ranked team, where do we play? That’s right the MCG! We had to play Collingwood for the second year running as the away team at Marvel. We miss out on getting a run at our home finals ground! How is this remotely fair?

Yep. Not that matters as we aren't playing finals anytime soon, but North play there about once a year for last 8 or so I reckon. Marvel clubs get screwed.

 

[jakson68]

Reigning 9th you mean, 2023 is so last year.

Remember you live in Adelaide.
2023 would feel like last week as you are only just catching up.

 

[doppleganger]

No, an idiot would think a 10 team, single state comp would survive.

Post 1st World War the VFL was never a 10 team single state comp.

I look forward to ManU EPL fans now starting the campaign that it is unfair that they only get 20 games in Manchester whilst Arsenal, Cheslea, Tottenham, West Ham, Fulham, Crystal Palace and Brentford get 26 in London.

So despite having the perfect H&A fixture where each team plays each other home and away, the EPL needs to address the London bias, and have London based teams play games outside of London to make it fair.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Remember you live in Adelaide.
2023 would feel like last week as you are only just catching up.

Well, last week was a nightmare..

 

[Freshwater]

No, an idiot would think a 10 team, single state comp would survive.

Forget about State borders, they mean nothing in this debate, it is about regions and cities. Population size is much more relevant. Victoria is about 5 times as big and growing much more rapidly. And has 5 times as many teams (ratio correct) Not only that that they are so heavily and traditionally supported in the only country this sport is played. Taking out Fitzroy by a small minded vandal CEO from Adelaide should never be forgotten or forgiven.

 

[Walshawk]

No, an idiot would think a 10 team, single state comp would survive.

Of course a 10 team Vic only league would survive.

If the league was split into two, the Vic league would be the stronger. Its crowds would increase. It would have the bulk of the best players (just), it would have reduced costs due to no travel, and, it would rate higher on TV due to having the the more popular clubs and full stadiums.

 

[My_Username]

Of course a 10 team Vic only league would survive.

If the league was split into two, the Vic league would be the stronger. Its crowds would increase. It would have the bulk of the best players (just), it would have reduced costs due to no travel, and, it would rate higher on TV due to having the the more popular clubs and full stadiums.

It'd be a smaller, less 'professional' (less $$$ per club) comp, but it'd be viable.

The non Vic AFL clubs (and a few non Vic leagues) would go broke.

 

[sr36]

No, an idiot would think a 10 team, single state comp would survive.

A billionaire would eventually set up a superleague, but before then of course it would survive.

The VFL wasn't going broke because it was an unviable, it was going broke because both the clubs and the league were run by a bunch of cowboys who spent ridiculously.

 

[Papa G]

Post 1st World War the VFL was never a 10 team single state comp.

I look forward to ManU EPL fans now starting the campaign that it is unfair that they only get 20 games in Manchester whilst Arsenal, Cheslea, Tottenham, West Ham, Fulham, Crystal Palace and Brentford get 26 in London.

So despite having the perfect H&A fixture where each team plays each other home and away, the EPL needs to address the London bias, and have London based teams play games outside of London to make it fair.

Have you been to England? Is about the size of Victoria. There is no travel burden there. Your point, even for you, is inherently dumb.

 

[Papa G]

The travel stuff is pretty difficult to overcome, given the arse about way the comp is set up and too many Vic teams, its just impossible to overcome.

What you can overcome a bit better is the is home ground advantage Doddlebanger and the other Collingwood Mental short people keep going on about.

You could split the Melbourne teams 4 and 4. 4 teams only play their home games at the Melbourne Citadel of Corruption, and 4 play all their home games at Marvel.

So Melbourne, Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn play their home games at the Citadel of Corruption, Essendon, Carlton, Bulldogs and St Kilda play at Marvel. Thus the lack of genuine home games the Bias Deniers keep going on about is minimised, meaning there are only a possible 6 games against co tennants but more likely only 4. Thus this seemingly huge impost of not having genuine home games is massively reduced. It is a very simple and doable solution.

But, But, But Whadabout da Blockbustas!! At The Geeee!!! Da Blockbustas!!!

 

[VicBased]

The travel stuff is pretty difficult to overcome, given the arse about way the comp is set up and too many Vic teams, its just impossible to overcome.

What you can overcome a bit better is the is home ground advantage Doddlebanger and the other Collingwood Mental short people keep going on about.

You could split the Melbourne teams 4 and 4. 4 teams only play their home games at the Melbourne Citadel of Corruption, and 4 play all their home games at Marvel.

So Melbourne, Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn play their home games at the Citadel of Corruption, Essendon, Carlton, Bulldogs and St Kilda play at Marvel. Thus the lack of genuine home games the Bias Deniers keep going on about is minimised, meaning there are only a possible 6 games against co tennants but more likely only 4. Thus this seemingly huge impost of not having genuine home games is massively reduced. It is a very simple and doable solution.

But, But, But Whadabout da Blockbustas!! At The Geeee!!! Da Blockbustas!!!

But, but, but what about poor old North, do we disband them.
Oh, I know, merge em with Geelong and they can have Kardinia

 

[Mat Mann]

The travel stuff is pretty difficult to overcome, given the arse about way the comp is set up and too many Vic teams, its just impossible to overcome.

What you can overcome a bit better is the is home ground advantage Doddlebanger and the other Collingwood Mental short people keep going on about.

You could split the Melbourne teams 4 and 4. 4 teams only play their home games at the Melbourne Citadel of Corruption, and 4 play all their home games at Marvel.

So Melbourne, Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn play their home games at the Citadel of Corruption, Essendon, Carlton, Bulldogs and St Kilda play at Marvel. Thus the lack of genuine home games the Bias Deniers keep going on about is minimised, meaning there are only a possible 6 games against co tennants but more likely only 4. Thus this seemingly huge impost of not having genuine home games is massively reduced. It is a very simple and doable solution.

But, But, But Whadabout da Blockbustas!! At The Geeee!!! Da Blockbustas!!!

not sure this is the best approach but you do you

North Melbourne?

 

[Carringbush2010]

The non Vic AFL clubs (and a few non Vic leagues) would go broke.

No I don't think so.

Depends on which clubs are in that league, willing to bet the wafl would just grow exponentially over here if it came to that. There's lot's of history and passion for this league right now.

I'd assume the same could be said for the sanfl.

I've asked the question many many times on these boards why non vic fans are so keen on new start up franchises (port excepted) in a league centred in vic over their 100+ yo clubs, have never once got a straight answer.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The travel stuff is pretty difficult to overcome, given the arse about way the comp is set up and too many Vic teams, its just impossible to overcome.

What you can overcome a bit better is the is home ground advantage Doddlebanger and the other Collingwood Mental short people keep going on about.

You could split the Melbourne teams 4 and 4. 4 teams only play their home games at the Melbourne Citadel of Corruption, and 4 play all their home games at Marvel.

So Melbourne, Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn play their home games at the Citadel of Corruption, Essendon, Carlton, Bulldogs and St Kilda play at Marvel. Thus the lack of genuine home games the Bias Deniers keep going on about is minimised, meaning there are only a possible 6 games against co tennants but more likely only 4. Thus this seemingly huge impost of not having genuine home games is massively reduced. It is a very simple and doable solution.

But, But, But Whadabout da Blockbustas!! At The Geeee!!! Da Blockbustas!!!

 

[Carringbush2010]

A billionaire would eventually set up a superleague, but before then of course it would survive.

The VFL wasn't going broke because it was an unviable, it was going broke because both the clubs and the league were run by a bunch of cowboys who spent ridiculously.

And this puts to bed the unviable argument bandied around by non vic fans.

Like all of a sudden, if we went back to a state comp it'd be unviable coz we don't have non vic fans watching on the tv anymore. Yeah too much revenue lost, not forgetting the vic population outnumbers all other footy heartland states and territories by more than a million people.

Like all of a sudden vic fans would lose interest coz it's no longer a national comp (which it isn't anyway, it's an expanded vfl)

 

[Demons09]

But, but, but what about poor old North, do we disband them.
Oh, I know, merge em with Geelong and they can have Kardinia

But tradition especially in a new comp called the AFL.

 

[sr36]

But tradition especially in a new comp called the AFL.

What's with the username? you barrack for Melbourne in 2009?

 

[LoungeLizard]

I notice you are all still here crying, still waiting for the Vics to do something for you, as usual, too lazy to do anything for yourselves.

 

[doppleganger]

Have you been to England? Is about the size of Victoria. There is no travel burden there. Your point, even for you, is inherently dumb.

Yeah of course have been to England, there is no bleating about how many games Arsenal play in London. Because they understand that home and away advantage exist regardless of travel.

ManU home at Old Trafford enjoy an advantage against Liverpool (just up the road), Arsenal AND Bayern Munich.

And I have been to the US, a more similar size comparison to Aus.

Guess what, the remote teams on the West Coast travel more than teams located in the more populous north east.

It is only moronic VICBias wowsers that ignore home ground advantage, and instead focus on how many times a team jumps on a plane.

 

[Sunshine81]

Yes and it is mostly against other tenants, so no advantage for 4 points.
Astated, we play 4 games against non tenants.
How many games do you play at home against non tenants?

It is an advantage for you and it is an advantage for us.
There are advantages and disadvantages for all.

But certain sides have chips on their shoulders and refuse to look at the bigger picture.

So you would prefer to be in Fremantle's or West Coast's position instead?

 

[Coolangatta]

"For locations situated southwest of the Barassi Line, he [Oakley] stated a minimum urban population of 500,000 is required, as well as an established supporter base if there is an existing franchise in the area. On the other hand, for locations located northeast of the Barassi Line, a minimum urban population of 1.5 to 2 million and a treasure trove in lifeline funds for a period of 20 to 25 years are necessary to maintain a new franchise."

The AFL should've been set up that way from day dot in 87.

6 Melbourne teams who play all their home games at the MCG.
2 Perth teams who play all their home games at Optus.
2 Adelaide teams who play all their home games at Adelaide Oval.
1 Geelong team (long history, within an hours drive of Melbourne) playing all home games at Kardinia Park.
1 Sydney team who play all their home games at the SCG.
1 Brisbane team (was under 1.5 mill but reached it by mid 90s) who play all their home games at the Gabba.
1 Tasmania team (450k back then but most footy mad state) who play 7 home games in Hobart, 4 in Launceston.

Have a pre-season tournament in NT/ACT.

14 teams.

No GC team as they were 500k when entering and still are at around 750k. With no GC there'd be no GWS. Canberra was arguably Aussie rules back in the 80s, hard to place them now but if GC can get in at 500k....

I agree that the travel burden for our WA clubs is greater than any other state (no one could argue otherwise). I also agree though that clubs should play all of their home games at their home ground. I'd still have the WA clubs travel 11 times per year, but with 3 less teams in Vic, the Vic sides would of course be travelling more.

Too late for that, though, and with Melbourne's population over 5 mill, they have enough now to support 10 teams, let alone 9.