Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[Carringbush2010]

Dont ever forget it.

Too late, forgotten already.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Your whole league from greats down sure were sooking when we broke you.

WE made YOU look within because you were worse than very bad.
Dont ever forget it.

You were choking even when this all happened, lost 3 home finals in 3 years until you finally got an aging Brisbane.

Now here you are sooking because you can't make it to the big dance and thinking YOU broke us BWHahahahahaha.

Learn to play home 1st, that might take a while, then if that ever happens, then learn to play the G, the Grand Final is going to be played there for a long, long time yet.

 

[sr36]

Of course the Eagles and dockers don't want a third team. Both those clubs have it pretty good where they can charge what they want and they pretty much run things over here. Bring a smaller club in and that might change.
Christ the Eagles stopped the government from building the stadium to 80K capacity. They said they would stay at Subiaco if the government build a stadium that big. The Eagles want demand high than supply so they can keep overcharging the memberships.
The Government wanted an 80K stadium that would get us through the next 50 years, the Eagles said no and that was it.

Footy clubs are not for profit. But they know that being big and wealthy is advantageous. You've just got look at the Vic market to see that. They want to be big and wealthy as they know that trumps less travel - the advantage people in this thread think that WA teams will get from a third WA team, would actually be a disadvantage.

 

[simba_]

You club is the biggest finals chokers in the league, bigger than Collingwood

you've lost more Grand Finals then we've played finals

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The whole league you say, when exactly was the league broken?

We broke the VFL when it didnt have a team in its own GF from 04-06.

Then when you locked the GF into the G Covid broke you and took that away too..lol

 

[Pedagogy]

Sydney finish one
Collingwood finish 2-4 in 2024
Play off in GF

Gf on Collingwoods home ground with more supporters, having played 3-4 sell out games at the G already, no travel, no travel to Geelong, Alice etc through the year, probably play 8 of the last 10 games at the G.

Neutral final - ffs
Good luck Sydney or GWS of Freo

Oh but Sydney were crap on the day (again)
Collingwood would of won anywhere (again)

Ask any neutral/non supporter or someone overseas and they’d think you’re seriously joking.

 

[Coolangatta]

It would be better if you hadn't known. Knowing means that your claim of too many Vic teams screwing over the chances of a "much needed" third WA team wasn't the most honest argument.

It's pretty simple why the WA teams don't want a third team. It'd likely slow down their growth and reduce the advantages of them being huge clubs.

Collingwood have a massive advantage over clubs like Melbourne, St Kilda, Nth. Its for none of the #VICBIAS reasons. It's simply because we're bigger and richer.

Reducing Vic teams would actually make the surviving Vic teams much stronger. It wouldn't help non-Vic teams.

All of what you said makes sense except there’s one thing: there’s a good case to be made for an ACT team.

There’s not going to be both, just one or the other.

But if there was one less Vic team, you could have both.

As you said though, WAFC is against it so I guess you gotta go ACT.

But even if they did, Vic clubs might have voted against it anyway so they don’t have to travel more to WA. And in that case, they would be stopping WA3 but I’m not certain they’d oppose it.

 

[Carringbush2010]

We broke the VFL when it didnt have a team in its own GF from 04-06.

Then when you locked the GF into the G Covid broke you and took that away too..lol

Yet we're all still here including the clubs we all follow, in fact vic clubs have more fans and members in their history.

If that's your definition of broken then the dictionary disagrees with you.

 

[Coolangatta]

Sydney finish one
Collingwood finish 2-4 in 2024
Play off in GF

Gf on Collingwoods home ground with more supporters, having played 3-4 sell out games at the G already, no travel, no travel to Geelong, Alice etc through the year, probably play 8 of the last 10 games at the G.

Neutral final - ffs
Good luck Sydney or GWS of Freo

Oh but Sydney were crap on the day (again)
Collingwood would of won anywhere (again)

Ask any neutral/non supporter or someone overseas and they’d think you’re seriously joking.

Yeah I can cop WA etc travelling more cause there’s less of us but the GF at the MCG every year till 2059 is horse shit and blatant Vic bias. No consultation with clubs about that but even then a 10-8 vote would see it kept at the G unless it was decided 12 votes was needed.

 

[LoungeLizard]

you've lost more Grand Finals then we've played finals

Grand Finals, there is a difference, Port can't make Grand Finals, they choke before they can get there.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Too late, forgotten already.

You'll find some handy reminders amongst your GF failures.

Cue 119 though..lol

 

[kaiserchief13]

Surely a better comparison would be 2018 when Collingwood and West Coast played each other in WA and at the MCG in finals. 11 points was the difference, 1/2 of that is 5.5 points which is the HGA. In reality, it's probably even less than that because West Coast arguably had a larger comparative advantage at their home ground in a qualifying final in WA than Collingwood did in a grand final at the MCG.

Another comparison might be 2020 when Victorian clubs had to travel a lot more than clubs from WA and SA. No WA and SA clubs made it to the grand final, West Coast and Port losing finals at home.

Statistics over the journey show that non Vic clubs are advantaged in the H&A series (despite the introduction of multiple new non-Victorian clubs) and that there is no significant disadvantage in Gand finals played between Victorian and non Victorian clubs at the MCG.

Can someone please come up with some evidence of this Vic bias, apart form "That's what people I know believe" or "You're a **** if you don't agree"
Neither of these are examples of evidence.

Keep ignoring factual posts and writing your drivel

 

[LoungeLizard]

You'll find some handy reminders amongst your GF failures.

Cue 119 though..lol

Yeah but you can put that down to having to play a MCG tenant.

Oh wait...

 

[PenfoldsFan]

You were choking even when this all happened, lost 3 home finals in 3 years until you finally got an aging Brisbane.

Now here you are sooking because you can't make it to the big dance and thinking YOU broke us BWHahahahahaha.

Learn to play home 1st, that might take a while, then if that ever happens, then learn to play the G, the Grand Final is going to be played there for a long, long time yet.

Yeah, we owned who we were, our coach held aloft his tie to mark the occasion.

You still cant deal with what Brisbane, Sydney, West Coast and Port did to your big bad league.
WE made YOUR greats take notice..lol

 

[VicBased]

Of course the Eagles and dockers don't want a third team. Both those clubs have it pretty good where they can charge what they want and they pretty much run things over here. Bring a smaller club in and that might change.
Christ the Eagles stopped the government from building the stadium to 80K capacity. They said they would stay at Subiaco if the government build a stadium that big. The Eagles want demand high than supply so they can keep overcharging the memberships.
The Government wanted an 80K stadium that would get us through the next 50 years, the Eagles said no and that was it.

Source?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Yeah but you can put that down to having to play one of the greatest teams to take the park in AFL/VFL history

One that 4yrs later broke you and made your coach cry too..lol

 

[simba_]

Grand Finals, there is a difference, Port can't make Grand Finals, they choke before they can get there.

Grand Finals are finals, you are the biggest finals chokers in the VFL/AFL, statistically and famously

 

[sr36]

I know many many people will disagree with this but I would introduce a 10% increase in the pay of any AFL player playing in their non-native state if they are earning below $400,000 a year.

You only get that 10% increase if you are drafted though, not traded.

I think it's fair enough if done equitably in a way that can't result in NSW clubs pooling the money for Buddy moves. Draftees shouldn't be worse off financially if Sydney call their name like they currently are.

Rather than adding it to a salary cap, AFL could give Sydney the same cap and then give each player a living allowance on top of that based on extra housing costs.

 

[sr36]

All of what you said makes sense except there’s one thing: there’s a good case to be made for an ACT team.

There’s not going to be both, just one or the other.

But if there was one less Vic team, you could have both.

As you said though, WAFC is against it so I guess you gotta go ACT.

But even if they did, Vic clubs might have voted against it anyway so they don’t have to travel more to WA. And in that case, they would be stopping WA3 but I’m not certain they’d oppose it.

Vic clubs wouldn't oppose it, they pushed for Freo as WCE was and is a behemoth. They know that size trumps travel.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Grand Finals are finals, you are the biggest finals chokers in the VFL/AFL, statistically and famously

Yeah I admit it, and here we arguing how bad we are, a Vic side.

We choke Grand Finals though, and to make an argument about how the GF is at the G and you need to be better to win them, you 1st have to make them, don't you think?
So trying to argue as a Port supporter, dead set makes me laugh, you poor darlings, you are so hard done by, it's made you too scared to even make the GF.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Source?

Thought that was pretty common knowledge, not sure how I find a newspaper article from 8-10 years ago but I will try mate.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Grand Finals, there is a difference, Port can't make Grand Finals, they choke before they can get there.

Oh well.

Keeping 100yr old VFL clubs entrenched in the bottom 10 whilst we blow finals for fun is worth it dont ya think..lol

 

[simba_]

Yeah I admit it

thank u

 

[sr36]

you've lost more Grand Finals then we've played finals

Yes we have. And back when Vic Park was our home ground, we lost more grand finals to mcg tenants with a home ground advantage than most Non-Vic teams will in 100 years. Did we sook? Did we claim it was unfair? No. We accepted it as it was the best biggest most iconic ground in the comp where the grand final belongs. Still is.

 

[LoungeLizard]

thank u

But you can't can you?