Vickery vs Trade

[Kyusss]

ok so we need a ruckman
well now there is some questions to be asked
if the club believes we need a ruckman as much as bigfooty do
you would say they would be looking at drafting one with pick 8 (vickery)
keeping in mind a ruckman takes 4 years to develop and there is no guarantee vickery will be there at pick 8
the question is

would you rather see us

1- give up 8 to secure warnock and possibly mundy or a pick
2- keep our pick and risk vickery not being if his not we just grab another mid
3- try and trade for a lesser ruckman (griffen) with a 2nd or 3rd rounder and keep our 1st round for a kpp or a mid

i just wanna hear peoples opinions
there is still a risk with warnock he hasnt shown much at afl level but than again there is a risk with any developing ruckman taken in the draft
pick 8 is a high price to pay but if it gets us warnock and freos 2nd or 3rd rounder or warnock and mundy than i reckon its worth seriously considering
i do like the look of griffen and he would be cheaper
its a tough one

 

[RichotheGreat]

f*ck off trading for mundy!

 

[thecotch]

The lions took leuenberger with their top pick. He's gonna be worth the wait. Simmonds should last a couple more years and with patto and cartledge backing up it would give the young guy some time to develop. Angus Graham is rubbish.

 

[Sheed]

Yeah, why trade our pick for 2 mediocre players when one of them doesn't even want to come here.

Why dont we trade, or at least go for a bonified star with our pick if we're going to trade it.

Now this is just an example but how about 8th pick, J. Schultz, N. Brown for Adam Goodes and their second or third rounder.

 

[lvt06]

Yeah, why trade our pick for 2 mediocre players when one of them doesn't even want to come here.

Why dont we trade, or at least go for a bonified star with our pick if we're going to trade it.

Now this is just an example but how about 8th pick, J. Schultz, N. Brown for Adam Goodes and their second or third rounder.

HAHAHHA

That is a good one. LMAO

 

[WATIGE]

would rather see us

3- try and trade for a lesser ruckman (griffen) with a 2nd or 3rd rounder and keep our 1st round for a kpp or a mid

That excerpt says it. Simmo needs a back up until one of Gourdis, Putt, Patto, Cartledge or Graham(?) show that they can make it. If we get one with a second or third rounder then one or two of these to be dropped (if two, another goes on the rookie list).

 

[Bojangles17]

i watched the highlights of vickery and he looked to me a lumbering giant, no way he could cut it as a KPP at afl level...Id go a KPP with R1 pick

 

[Sheed]

Yeah i know its a radical example. But why wouldn't you use our valuable trading chips and add them together to actually get something great. I mean warnock and mundy are far from guaranteed to make us better.

Its pretty concensus here that we should make the 8 next year and our premiership window is in about 3-6 years. If we added some great players via adding 1st rounders and borderline players surely it would open up the premiership window sooner. Also why aren't we feverishly trying to get rid of out first rounders in the year GC17 and the new Sydney teams are going to rape the draft for some young talent now.

Granted its all easier said then done but still lets not settle for 90 cents in the dollar trades.

 

[Bojangles17]

Yeah i know its a radical example. But why wouldn't you use our valuable trading chips and add them together to actually get something great. I mean warnock and mundy are far from guaranteed to make us better.

Its pretty concensus here that we should make the 8 next year and our premiership window is in about 3-6 years. If we added some great players via adding 1st rounders and borderline players surely it would open up the premiership window sooner. Also why aren't we feverishly trying to get rid of out first rounders in the year GC17 and the new Sydney teams are going to rape the draft for some young talent now.

Granted its all easier said then done but still lets not settle for 90 cents in the dollar trades.

good point sheeds, warnock will actually do us a favour in discounting the tiges as an option as it forces us to remain on the plan...The Cats have proven it is the tried and tested method in adding to the core with talented youth, it has a snowball effect

 

[UpTheGuts]

Just pick up 5 of Ziebell, DeBoer, Swift, Mitchell Brown, Cahill, Lisle, Hannebury.

Ditch JON, Hyde, Pettifer, Howat, Cartledge, Silvester and Tivendale.

No trading, lower TPP's = fine!!

 

[bigstyletiger]

Warnock and Mundy for pick 8 probably wont be a good deal. Warnock is unproven. Tall yes but he was rubbish in the games i saw him in this year. He doesn't use his height and his body that well. He doesn't look great below his knees.
Griffen on the other hand could be a player. Last season he was taking contested marks and getting good reviews for his ruck work. Warnock has never (to my knowledge) done either of those.
Mundy is an ok player. Has some good games but can go missing. If we take Mundy we will have an even greater surplus of this sought of player. Rance can do the same job next year. He can play Key position as well as a flanker. He can run, has good skills and agility. I think he will be a great tall small player
On the Luenberger debate. Vickery and Luenberger cannot be compared. Luenberger was talked up as a possible number 1 in his draft year. He is a similar player to Kruezer. The speed of a mid, great agility, and smart. Vickery seems to be more of a traditional ruck. A good quality number one ruck would be a great addition to our side but rucks are always risky propositions.
I would prefer to look at Roughead with our second round pick. Perhaps make a trade for an earlier second rounder to give us a better chance. Maybe Shulz, Danny Meyer and pick 26 for Adam Thompson and pick 22. Wishful but could be done. Shulz was a pick 12? and so was Meyer. They are both SA boys. Shulz is an established KP player who can play forward and back and Meyer looks to have come on at the end of this season.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

We need a back up ruckman as Simmo can't do it all himself next year or the year after. I'd like to see Patto given the off season to hit the gym and train for what he was recruited for a Key Position Forward, not do all the long distance running and trimming down to run around getting beaten in the Ruck all year again.

It is important we give 100% all out effort for our young midfield to get a chance at first use of the ball over the ground for the whole of every game, that is what wins matches.

The blokes on here saying that we can pick a tall in the draft and wait 4 -6 years for him to develope will be the same blokes asking for Wallaces head and bagging our young players if it looks like we won't make the 8 at any stage of next year.

If Warncock wants to go to Melbourne let him. Carlton can't afford him becuase Marc Murphys manager just made sure he took the rest of the Cartank Coffa's. If the Coaching staff don't think Warncock or Griffin are going to be regular first grade performers then we should go youth if they think they can play then we should do what we can to get them.

You can't win regular games of footy in this comp with out first use of the ball. We smashed the Hawkes at the stoppages in round 20 and they had smething like 20 more forward 50 entries than us. Simmo was on fire all game and even Cartledge did alright in the hit out department.

We need another talent in the Ruck for our development simple as that, and know unless the coaching staff thinks Gus or Cartledge are good enough.

 

[davemills]

Its pretty concensus here that we should make the 8 next year and our premiership window is in about 3-6 years.

Is it??????
There are no guarantees we will make the 8 next year or even get close.

Some points from this season (amongst other things) :

We pretty much won the games we could have and lost against better sides.
We had a very good run with injuries.
We won away games twice in WA.
We had a decent draw as it turns out.
Richo played Amazingly well and kicked straight almost all year.

Now there are a lot of positives sure :
We will hopefully have plenty of natural improvement in quite a few of our list. More mature physically and mentally.

But :
Whilst there will be teams like Sydney who may drop away a notch, others like Carlton will probably improve. And I think there are probably more improvers than not next year (West Coast, Port, Freo, Brisbane, Carlton for a start could all easily have better years).

As for premiership window :
In 3 years (let alone 6) we will not have Bowden, Richo and Brown for a start.

Add to the fact that the ONLY young *biggish* key forward on our list who I think MAY become a top tier player is Riewoldt means we have to do an awful lot of recruiting...and do it this soon! (And Hughes will not be a champ or he would have shown more already.)

We have holes in our Ruck division. We have holes in our defense (small defenders and a big/tall KPP) We are complete swiss cheese in our forward line when it comes to champions.

I do hope your right...espescially on the latter.

 

[Bojangles17]

Just pick up 5 of Ziebell, DeBoer, Swift, Mitchell Brown, Cahill, Lisle, Hannebury.

Ditch JON, Hyde, Pettifer, Howat, Cartledge, Silvester and Tivendale.

No trading, lower TPP's = fine!!

and casserley stays?..i'd keep cartledge ahead of him

 

[Tivers]

and casserley stays?..i'd keep cartledge ahead of him

Already been shown the door hasn't he ???

 

[FootyEater]

warnock will be a gun, i know the rumour is that he has nominated carltank, but i reckon that is garbage and that if richmond were to offer him some coin he would be ok with going to the tiges. i mean atleast there he can be a backup to simmonds for a couple of years and be primed to take over when simmonds retires. freo and richmond also seem to have pretty good trade relations.

someone mentioned that he didnt look good this year, well he was injured pretty much all year, had two really solid games, and then got injured, the dockers gave him surgery early to get him ready for next year. he has a huge tank, and contrary to what people are saying, he is great at ground level and below his knees. has a good grab and an excellent kick for a big fella, everyone over here, remembering that griffen is a west aussie, believe that warnie makes griffen look ordinary. our third pick and warnock for your first and third would do it

 

[Peter SasseGum]

Reading through some of these posts makes me glad that we have proper recruiters in place at Richmond.

I have no doubt that our team of recruiting specialists will be to negotiate the best deals for the Tigers, while bringing in the exact type of players we need to compliment our on field stocks.

Well done to TW and the recruiting staff for having a thorough, in depth understanding of all available players, selecting only those who will be an asset to the Tigers

 

[morton09]

what about pick 8 + meyer + polo
for kerr + 34

 

[The Cotch]

what about pick 8 + meyer + polo
for kerr + 34

Noooooo. Forget Kerr man.
Keep our picks please

 

[Love The Game]

We need a ruckman.

Pick 8, 26 for Warnock and their 2nd round rounder

With our 1st round pick if used in the draft doesn't grant us a good player (See JON as pick 8)

We have a good backline and forward line. Our midfield will be elite, we are just missing a good ruckmen. For those who say ruckmen are overrated simmo has been great for us.

 

[Tivers]

If Carltank get Warnock we should poach their accountant, as he is obviously better at hiding salary cap indisgretions than ours !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[richoatthedisco]

warnock will be a gun, i know the rumour is that he has nominated carltank, but i reckon that is garbage and that if richmond were to offer him some coin he would be ok with going to the tiges. i mean atleast there he can be a backup to simmonds for a couple of years and be primed to take over when simmonds retires. freo and richmond also seem to have pretty good trade relations.

someone mentioned that he didnt look good this year, well he was injured pretty much all year, had two really solid games, and then got injured, the dockers gave him surgery early to get him ready for next year. he has a huge tank, and contrary to what people are saying, he is great at ground level and below his knees. has a good grab and an excellent kick for a big fella, everyone over here, remembering that griffen is a west aussie, believe that warnie makes griffen look ordinary. our third pick and warnock for your first and third would do it

Agree with all that. What about your second pick and Warnock for our first and third picks? Or, seeing as you want players, pick 8 & Polo for Warnock & 21?

 

[CoggaRules]

Reading through some of these posts makes me glad that we have proper recruiters in place at Richmond.

I have no doubt that our team of recruiting specialists will be to negotiate the best deals for the Tigers, while bringing in the exact type of players we need to compliment our on field stocks.

Well done to TW and the recruiting staff for having a thorough, in depth understanding of all available players, selecting only those who will be an asset to the Tigers

as they continue to play at Coburg.

 

[tony_montana]

wouldnt entertain our 1st pick for warnock

stupid!

leave our 1st pick alone there'll be 1 or 2 sliders in the draft, we'll get a very good prospect with pick8

 

[Tivers]

There seems to be a general trend on here to never trade picks, which is fine, I primarily agree.
The theory occurs to me though, why would you not swap a top pick that with you have a CHANCE of getting a good player, v trading it for a guy already proven is a good player ?
A lot of top 8 draft picks do nothing. In cases where the trading player is forcing his clubs hand (demanding to leave) surely the weight of returns would be in favour of the club giving up a pick to secure him ?
Would be interesting to get some stats on it..........(player traded for v player would have picked otherwise).