WADA threat looms for Cousins

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Drug cheats is the lowest anyone can stoop to in professional support (bar maybe match fixing). Cousins is not credible in anything he says and Worsfold is either very dumb, arrogant or lying when he talks about what he knows. How can they possibly say they could not do anything as a club with what was happening, that they did not know what he was really on, that hey did everything possible. They take the public and press over here for granted. but that is slowly changing.

If he played with amphetamines he was clearly cheating and many games, not just the GF have therefore been won by cheating.

Worse though... if Cousins is indeed the spiritual leader of the club, and WC are supposed to have up to 8 players with drug issues in past times, including clearly Kerr, Cousins and Fletcher, then how many of them would have seen that taking drugs also has a consequence of improved onfield performance. And so followed his behaviour ?

The club is in disgrace for off field behaviour, but more importantly for onfield integrity they should be investigated by an independent body and if proven the club should be stripped of any wins affected by this cheating. Then start this season with maybe 6 minus wins to show that no club should ever become this grubby again.

Interesting point. I heard Worfold say that 8 players had admitted to taking drugs. We don't know to what extent.

We don't know if it was in 2006 or 2001. Michael Braun could have admitted to Worsfold that he smoked a joint 2003. In my eyes that doesn't make Braun have a drugs problem.

Don't you agree??

 

[Obi-Haive]

Can you imagine the backlash of the WC fans if Cousins was suspended back in July for missing a total of 1 training session and having a few rumours floating around that he likes to have a big weekend?

Not to mention the 'please explains' etc that would be furiously flashing before their eyes from the AFLPA.

 

[Captain Random]

Did anyone see the cross to LA on the Sunday Footy Show?

The reporter said Cousins must have had a few things on his mind, becuase he didn't sleep for the entire 22 hours of the flight...

...hmmm... or...

A 22-hour flight?

Where the hell is this clinic - Mawson Base?

 

[FuManchu]

I tried, but gave up. It seems that although you took on board certain aspects of other's arguments. You always came back to the key point that WC should have done more before.

Yes, with the benefit of hindsight, all WC supporters would agree that more should have been done last year. However, this neglects that, as Worsfold has said, there was no real evidence. Yes, if he was a lower player, he probably would have been given less chances. That is only natural. Good workers always get away with more in the workplace. Pretty girls always get away with more. That's life. However, without anything other than rumour and innuendo, what was to be done? Can you imagine the backlash of the WC fans if Cousins was suspended back in July for missing a total of 1 training session and having a few rumours floating around that he likes to have a big weekend? That would be ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is, from what I have heard on the grape vine, Cousins went off the rails after the GF win. He more or less partied from then till he was suspended. He was an occasional heavy user before, but became what would be classified as a substance abuser since then. That is why he missed a whole bunch of training sessions and started acting more aloof. That is why he was suspended. There was not enough circumstantial evidence before. They determined there was enough evidence after that final missed training session, particularly with the drawn out state Cousins eventually rocked up in.

On the point that he was using during the week and effectively risking being busted on game day. I am barely going to go into that because of how stupid of an idea it is. They train every day during the week. You cannot have this stuff at night and then rock up to training the next day. That is why he was always missing the FIRST training session of the week, not mid-week ones. This is evidence to the contrary of him using during the week.

Why would WC suspend a player they thought MAY (read: possibly, but without any evidence) be using illicit substances (illicit, not performance enhancing) after games (not before, so not under the influence during a game), when all the evidence is this is not affecting his training or his on-field performance? It's not like we were in the position of you guys, trying to lose games in order to get good draft picks!

If you cannot see this argument, you are either unwilling to see it because you want to see WC burn or you want to see all drug users burned. Which one is it? Maybe it's both...

Its the inconsistancies in all of your arguments, (not just yours ) that make your implausible denialability even more ridiculous.

One point, how did West Coast know that Cousins had used drugs come July? Are you now telling everyone that they only found out that he used drugs in the off season, but only found that out in July? Give it up.

What implausible garbage are we going to hear now about west Coasts deliberate policy of ignorance?

Why did West Coast take a recalcitrant on his word at all after they found out he had taken drugs? The man had proven to be antithesis of everything a club leader was meant to be. Yet they took him on his word?????

I can hear the conversation: Club: " benny are you still using drugs?"

Benny: " errrrrrrrrrrrr no, is that what you want me to say?"

Club: "thats good enough for us" ................ " errrrrrrrrr, you're not going to do anything to embarrass us are you?"

Benny: " errrrrrrrrrr, have I ever?"

Club: "Now, stop shaking and fidgeting and get out there and train will ya?"

Benny: "are you talking to me?"

 

[garlic munchers]

The AFL has tested Cousins 14 times in total, with six of these tests done post July 2006.

Under the current system, I am unaware how any sanctions could have been taken against Cousins without committing a breach of his employment Contract and opening the Eagles up legal sanctions.

I would assume that most of the most vocal critics are not employers and as such, can sprout ignorance safe in the knowledge that they would never have to act in similar circumstances.

I am heartily sick and tired of certain Eagles players misbehaviour and consequently, are open to a detailed ananylsis of how the critics would have dealt with this, without breaching player contracts and general employment law in the absence of a positive drugs test.

Simply saying the eagles are a disgrace, should require a rational person to provide a realistic alternative to how the Eagles could have acted.

 

[zero]

The AFL has tested Cousins 14 times in total, with six of these tests done post July 2006.

really? got a source for that?

kind of makes a fool of these halfwits claiming he was high while playing

 

[zero]

Its the inconsistancies in all of your arguments, (not just yours ) that make your implausible denialability even more ridiculous.

One point, how did West Coast know that Cousins had used drugs come July? Are you now telling everyone that they only found out that he used drugs in the off season, but only found that out in July? Give it up.

for the millionth time, they knew he had A personal problem that meant he missed training, they didnt know IF it was a drug problem. he might have missed training because he got drunk or he had a blue with the missus, they just didnt know.

but of course you know this, and your just being a ****

 

[campbell]

really? got a source for that?

kind of makes a fool of these halfwits claiming he was high while playing

Seems strange that they say he has been tested so much, no ways to prove either way.

 

[FuManchu]

The AFL has tested Cousins 14 times in total, with six of these tests done post July 2006.

Under the current system, I am unaware how any sanctions could have been taken against Cousins without committing a breach of his employment Contract and opening the Eagles up legal sanctions.

I would assume that most of the most vocal critics are not employers and as such, can sprout ignorance safe in the knowledge that they would never have to act in similar circumstances.

I am heartily sick and tired of certain Eagles players misbehaviour and consequently, are open to a detailed ananylsis of how the critics would have dealt with this, without breaching player contracts and general employment law in the absence of a positive drugs test.

Simply saying the eagles are a disgrace, should require a rational person to provide a realistic alternative to how the Eagles could have acted.

taking drugs is a breach of his employment contract. they could have stood him down once they knew he had taken drugs. They chose not to. They stood down gardiner for much less.

 

[FuManchu]

for the millionth time, they knew he had A personal problem that meant he missed training, they didnt know IF it was a drug problem. he might have missed training because he got drunk or he had a blue with the missus, they just didnt know.

but of course you know this, and your just being a ****

Funny that. Demetriou on Ch 7 on fri night half time, said the eagles knew of the drug problem with cousins in July.

You must be running out of straws to clutch at

 

[FuManchu]

Zero has finally matched his name to his content

A collective 'DOH' can be heard from the west

 

[clobba]

Was just wondering how Cousins is able to get back on the field if he ever actually admits that "he had a drug problem", because if he admitted it wouldnt that mean that the AFL could then sanction him anyway?
Personally dont actually give a rats about him taking drugs....was just fun laughing at his inane yokel antics, but might be why he isnt admitting he has/had one because if he doesnt it is all purely speculation with no test results they cant follow through can they?
Couldnt persecute him on the hearsay of others could they unless he himself admitted it?

 

[FuManchu]

Was just wondering how Cousins is able to get back on the field if he ever actually admits that "he had a drug problem", because if he admitted it wouldnt that mean that the AFL could then sanction him anyway?
Personally dont actually give a rats about him taking drugs....was just fun laughing at his inane yokel antics, but might be why he isnt admitting he has/had one because if he doesnt it is all purely speculation with no test results they cant follow through can they?
Couldnt persecute him on the hearsay of others could they unless he himself admitted it?

There is nothing confirmed about how the eagles knew he was using. So it would be the Eagles being pressured by the AFL to account for the detail.

But yes, he should be sanctioned if this is the case. bring the game into disrepute is my guess.

Interesting that the AFL havent broached the subject as far as I know. Maybe they will wait until he signals his return. But to be fair, if the evidence is there now, he should be sanctioned now, not at some later date. That way he is able to get on the park earlier.

 

[Eagle87]

Was just wondering how Cousins is able to get back on the field if he ever actually admits that "he had a drug problem", because if he admitted it wouldnt that mean that the AFL could then sanction him anyway?
Personally dont actually give a rats about him taking drugs....was just fun laughing at his inane yokel antics, but might be why he isnt admitting he has/had one because if he doesnt it is all purely speculation with no test results they cant follow through can they?
Couldnt persecute him on the hearsay of others could they unless he himself admitted it?

There is nothing confirmed about how the eagles knew he was using. So it would be the Eagles being pressured by the AFL to account for the detail.

But yes, he should be sanctioned if this is the case. bring the game into disrepute is my guess.

Interesting that the AFL havent broached the subject as far as I know. Maybe they will wait until he signals his return. But to be fair, if the evidence is there now, he should be sanctioned now, not at some later date. That way he is able to get on the park earlier.

How should the 33 that have returned positive tests be sanctioned?

Cousins has returned no positive tests.

I guess he should be sanctioned because ... ummm... he is worse than the 33 because we know about it?

 

[GoOsH1]

Did anyone see the cross to LA on the Sunday Footy Show?

The reporter said Cousins must have had a few things on his mind, becuase he didn't sleep for the entire 22 hours of the flight...

...hmmm... or...

WOW! did he have the chicken or the beef! hard hitting journalism at it's best right here!

 

[FuManchu]

How should the 33 that have returned positive tests be sanctioned?

Cousins has returned no positive tests.

I guess he should be sanctioned because ... ummm... he is worse than the 33 because we know about it?

Unfortunately, due to the stupidity of the AFL, the AFL dont know who they are. But if they did, they should be suspended. Unfortunatley for Cousins, the AFL do know he has, and therefore he should be sanctioned. But that all boils down to how it has been confirmed how Cousins was using. If Cousins has copped to it, then they have to act.

 

[zero]

Funny that. Demetriou on Ch 7 on fri night half time, said the eagles knew of the drug problem with cousins in July.

You must be running out of straws to clutch at

well, its interesting IF andy d knows the situation and is speaking accurately.

thats certainly not what worsfold said happened.

 

[FuManchu]

well, its interesting IF andy d knows the situation and is speaking accurately.

thats certainly not what worsfold said happened.

You dont think Demetriou wouldn't be on the phone the minute the story broke, screaming at the eagles, demanding information? He knows and he made the statement on national TV.

BTW, Worsfold has been seen to try and fudge the details on this issue, he has no credibility left. One minute there is no drug issue at the eagles, then all of a sudden its 6 to 8 players having admitted to using. He should hide for the next 6 months and hope we all forget.

Did he get his pharmacology degree on a weeties packet?

 

[zero]

You dont think Demetriou wouldn't be on the phone the minute the story broke, screaming at the eagles, demanding information? He knows and he made the statement on national TV.

BTW, Worsfold has been seen to try and fudge the details on this issue, he has no credibility left. One minute there is no drug issue at the eagles, then all of a sudden its 6 to 8 players having admitted to using. He should hide for the next 6 months and hope we all forget.

perhaps, but you still condemning the club on the words and interpretation of someone who wasnt there and doesent know the full story

 

[FuManchu]

perhaps, but you still condemning the club on the words and interpretation of someone who wasnt there and doesent know the full story

I've condemned them on a hundred fronts, Andy D's words are only the icing on the cake of condemnation. You keep hiding behind that firewall that you have afforded yourself. That will really put pressure on the club to act responsibly and promptly wont it?

 

[garlic munchers]

Demetriou is quoted in the Sunday Times as saying the AFL has tested Cousins 14 times in total, with six of these tests done post July 2006.

Cousins father is quoted as saying Cousins has a substance abuse problem.

Fact: Gardener was suspended indefinitely for being charged by the police for crashing his car under the influence of alcohol and strong painkillers.

Fact: Cousins has not been charged by the police.

Please advise how legally the Eagles could have handled this pre any admission by Cousins to actually using illicit drugs in an employment setting or being under the influence at his place of work without any proof?????

 

[Seadog]

You dont think Demetriou wouldn't be on the phone the minute the story broke, screaming at the eagles, demanding information? He knows and he made the statement on national TV.

BTW, Worsfold has been seen to try and fudge the details on this issue, he has no credibility left. One minute there is no drug issue at the eagles, then all of a sudden its 6 to 8 players having admitted to using. He should hide for the next 6 months and hope we all forget.

Did he get his pharmacology degree on a weeties packet?

Woosha has more credibility in his fingertip than you have in your entire family tree.
I heard straight from the mouth of one of the Eagles premiership players that at the next couple of training sessions after Cuz was suspended some of the players were afraid if they stuffed up Woosha would belt them. He was a very angry man. I would say right at this minute the Eagles are drug free, whether they stay that way is another matter. He also said the sqaud were shellshocked when they found out about Cuz. They knew he partied hard but no idea at the extent of it.
I know everyone else has tried to tell you this but here goes anyway-
NO POSITIVE TEST= NO CASE TO ANSWER= NO SANCTION.
Now get over it, you've had your fun.

 

[zero]

I would say right at this minute the Eagles are drug free, whether they stay that way is another matter. He also said the sqaud were shellshocked when they found out about Cuz. They knew he partied hard but no idea at the extent of it.

you can be quite sure that the entire league, ESPECIALLY the eagles, are drug free for the time being.

mate if you were caught this week, andy d would personally have you thrown out of the sport.

 

[adamcf]

We need to read it in L'Equipe before anyone takes it seriously.

 

[scottywiper]

you can be quite sure that the entire league, ESPECIALLY the eagles, are drug free for the time being.

mate if you were caught this week, andy d would personally have you thrown out of the sport.

Yeah, but the chances of actually being caught under the current system are minute.
All the AFL's negative tests, especially of Cousins, show is that the players are ahead of the testing program.