2nds WAFL / Beagles Watch 2023

[Lia]

How can we possibly judge the development of someone like Dewar playing small forward in a side like this?

 

[MrWoollie]

The biggest winning margin in WAFL history is 256 points.

Round 1, 1944 - East Perth 41.30 (276) defeated South Fremantle 3.2 (20).

South Fremantle have the three biggest losing margins in WAFL history, all over 200 points.

Most don't count that as a record as it was in WWII and the WAFL that year was played for entertainment relief and was an under-age competition.
Basically it was a Colts game. And SF fielded something like an U16's team as it was all they could muster.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

It's not working right now but there will be a solution, some of us just might not be around to see it.

Within 20 years the last true diehard WAFL supporters who started with and grew up with WAFL will all be dead or in nursing homes. An alignment some time between now and then is an option. The youngest of the true diehards really had to be somewhere around 20-25 when the eagles came in. It's now been 36 years. So 20 years from now they're 81-86 years old, the youngest. That is not enough long term supporters left to hold onto the 'history'

Within 20 years the AFL will have a national reserves competition. This in reality is the main one and it's nigh on inevitable. Larger or secondary club lists for teams like Freo, West Coast, The Crows etc. Every game can have a lead in match. Sponsorship for it would likely cover all bar player salaries and match day payments and even part of that. If we get to a point where the AFL is willing to cover 80k a player plus match payments to each player of a secondary list of say 10-20 players per team, does anyone think the players won't be in? If you aren't getting a game because of lack of injuries you're still training with an AFL club and getting 80k a year. Plus all the club benefits of food, business connections etc.

Either way long term the WAFL and SANFL are going to lose out. There is just too much money involved for it to not happen at some stage. Im pretty sure we're already at a point whereby the only clubs outside of Victoria the AFL doesn't have the licences to the clubs is WA.

Hey Phil, I was a die hard Subi supporter as a kid, we used to get flogged every week in the early 80’s, I went to every game.
Eventually came good under a new coach Hayden Bunton and won a flag, it was quite literally the happiest I’ve ever seen my old man in his life.
I was at WC’s 1st ever game vs Richmond as a 15yr old, which we won with a good sprinkling of Subi players throughout the team.
I will always be a passionate Subi and WC supporter, I wish city kids nowadays could have the same experience as me, I loved it!
I’m lucky to live in Broome now and have done for 20 years.
My eldest plays colts and seniors and my youngest watches his big brother play every game, kicks the footy all day/all night.
I wish the WAFL was stronger, and a real highlight for working families on weekends, I think WC could have done a lot more along the way to promote the local competition and encourage families to attend, in my opinion they have really got that wrong.
When is comes to footy, people 1st, money 2nd, and WC have got that arse about.

 

[ziad]

Hey Phil, I was a die hard Subi supporter as a kid, we used to get flogged every week in the early 80’s, I went to every game.
Eventually came good under a new coach Hayden Bunton and won a flag, it was quite literally the happiest I’ve ever seen my old man in his life.
I was at WC’s 1st ever game vs Richmond as a 15yr old, which we won with a good sprinkling of Subi players throughout the team.
I will always be a passionate Subi and WC supporter, I wish city kids nowadays could have the same experience as me, I loved it!
I’m lucky to live in Broome now and have done for 20 years.
My eldest plays colts and seniors and my youngest watches his big brother play every game, kicks the footy all day/all night.
I wish the WAFL was stronger, and a real highlight for working families on weekends, I think WC could have done a lot more along the way to promote the local competition and encourage families to attend, in my opinion they have really got that wrong.
When is comes to footy, people 1st, money 2nd, and WC have got that arse about.

I remember Subi getting belter for years, the odd win including one memorable one against a very strong EP were very sweet. Something for WC supporters to look forward to.
Hayden Bunton was ahead of his time in the way he thought about footy.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

50 scoring shots from 70 odd inside 50s is pretty crazy.

If I was the coach id put all our numbers behind the ball, concede the free kick at the ruck and have them kick the ball in in a 15 vs 15 situation then push out from there.

Would be hilarious to watch and arguably a decent tactic in the situation too

 

[kane249]

50 scoring shots from 70 odd inside 50s is pretty crazy.

If I was the coach id put all our numbers behind the ball, concede the free kick at the ruck and have them kick the ball in in a 15 vs 15 situation then push out from there.

Would be hilarious to watch and arguably a decent tactic in the situation too

Garry Hocking did that when he was coach of Peel.

Even had the 4 centre square players line up in the backine so all 18 were in there.

 

[Bender_]

50 scoring shots from 70 odd inside 50s is pretty crazy.

If I was the coach id put all our numbers behind the ball, concede the free kick at the ruck and have them kick the ball in in a 15 vs 15 situation then push out from there.

Would be hilarious to watch and arguably a decent tactic in the situation too

You'd hope if you were the coach you'd know that the team getting the free kick cannot proceed until the infringing team sets their players to 6/6/6.

 

[timeforanother22]

We need to join the VFL and tell the WAFL to stick it. They get a percentage of our club profits (if I understand correctly?) so that will mean they will get less cash from us because flying a second team interstate every other week is going to be pricey.
At least we could then field a team of actual semi-professional players instead of bush footballers. This setup has severely effected our ability to develop players and is detrimental to the integrity of the WAFL comp itself.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You'd hope if you were the coach you'd know that the team getting the free kick cannot proceed until the infringing team sets their players to 6/6/6.

**** that. I’m just leaving them there. Don’t care what the umpire says

If we forfeit we are still in the same position so what could he do

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We need to join the VFL and tell the WAFL to stick it. They get a percentage of our club profits (if I understand correctly?) so that will mean they will get less cash from us because flying a second team interstate every other week is going to be pricey.
At least we could then field a team of actual semi-professional players instead of bush footballers. This setup has severely effected our ability to develop players and is detrimental to the integrity of the WAFL comp itself.

The problem isn’t the top up players themselves, it’s that we’re having to field 20 of them a week. On top of that, a lot of the best of them (Waterman, Garlett, Creasey, Henderson, Levien, Johnstone) are injured, so we’re right down into the last guys on the list.

We have 45 players on the AFL list and 32 on the top up list, so there’s a pool of 77 to draw on, and we couldn’t even name a full set of emergencies for the WAFL side this week.

There’s nothing the WAFC can do about that. That’s on us.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

We need to join the VFL and tell the WAFL to stick it. They get a percentage of our club profits (if I understand correctly?) so that will mean they will get less cash from us because flying a second team interstate every other week is going to be pricey.
At least we could then field a team of actual semi-professional players instead of bush footballers. This setup has severely effected our ability to develop players and is detrimental to the integrity of the WAFL comp itself.

Firstly the profits are not the eagles, the profits go to the owners of the Eagles which is the WAFC. Sick of saying this but the WAFL clubs get very little money from the WAFC.
As for yiur comments re players you must take into account that players from other WAFL clubs have no interest at all in playing for the Eagles reserves side. They want to play for clubs that winning and success are a priority.

 

[Ljp86]

Most don't count that as a record as it was in WWII and the WAFL that year was played for entertainment relief and was an under-age competition.
Basically it was a Colts game. And SF fielded something like an U16's team as it was all they could muster.

Agreed, it perhaps shouldn't be there but is still the official record.

The next highest is below:

Round 10, 1987: West Perth 37.17 (239) defeated South Fremantle 4.5 (29)

 

[Sphynx]

We need to join the VFL and tell the WAFL to stick it. They get a percentage of our club profits (if I understand correctly?) so that will mean they will get less cash from us because flying a second team interstate every other week is going to be pricey.
At least we could then field a team of actual semi-professional players instead of bush footballers. This setup has severely effected our ability to develop players and is detrimental to the integrity of the WAFL comp itself.

How is the VFL going to solve anything?

1. It's a much stronger comp as a whole, so this 180 point thrashing might have been 200+

2. There's the same salary cap restrictions for AFL clubs vs VFL clubs, you are mostly reliant on your AFL list. The best unaligned players are playing for stand alone sides, as they pay a lot more.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Firstly the profits are not the eagles, the profits go to the owners of the Eagles which is the WAFC. Sick of saying this but the WAFL clubs get very little money from the WAFC.
As for yiur comments re players you must take into account that players from other WAFL clubs have no interest at all in playing for the Eagles reserves side. They want to play for clubs that winning and success are a priority.

Umm no, the profits are my membership money and I dont want it going to ungrateful bellends like the WAFL clubs

If they were fair and accepting, sure, they can have some of our membership money.

If they want to bite the hand that feeds them then fine, get your meals elsewhere

 

[greatwhiteshark]

How is the VFL going to solve anything?

1. It's a much stronger comp as a whole, so this 180 point thrashing might have been 200+

2. There's the same salary cap restrictions for AFL clubs vs VFL clubs, you are mostly reliant on your AFL list. The best unaligned players are playing for stand alone sides, as they pay a lot more.

The VFL is the weakest of the three state leagues. It's a glorified colts competition full of colts looking to develop to become good footballers.

 

[Sphynx]

The VFL is the weakest of the three state leagues. It's a glorified colts competition full of colts looking to develop to become good footballers.

Erm, no.

It's got by far the highest % of professional AFL footballers, that's what it is.

Because it has so many AFL outfits, the best state league footballers in the strongest footballing development state year on year, pile into 3-4 stand alone sides, also making them incredibly strong.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The VFL is the weakest of the three state leagues. It's a glorified colts competition full of colts looking to develop to become good footballers.

WAFL is easily the weakest. Not even close either

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Umm no, the profits are my membership money and I dont want it going to ungrateful bellends like the WAFL clubs

If they were fair and accepting, sure, they can have some of our membership money.

If they want to bite the hand that feeds them then fine, get your meals elsewhere

You can call it what you want but the money is still the WAFC money as they own the Eagles. And Ungrateful??? Without those WAFL clubs there would never ever of been an Eagles franchise.
And what have they done that is unfair to the Eagles? Is it the WAFL clubs fault the Eagles can't manage their players professionally and keep them injury free?
If the Eagles fix their injuries then the WAFL situation is ok. It's all on the WCE why the Eagles WAFL side is a joke.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Erm, no.

It's got by far the highest % of professional AFL footballers, that's what it is.

You can give an 18 year old an AFL contract it does not mean he is a good footballer in a mens comp. Young Buzzlinger at the Bulldogs was recently on the radio and said the WAFL comp was far stronger than the VFL comp and far more seasoned footballers play WAFL than the VFL which is full of just 18 years olds learning.
The VFL is a kindergarten for footy.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

WAFL is easily the weakest. Not even close either

No idea, the VFL quit state footy as they were no longer competitive at Senior State level. And by the sounds of it you don't watch much WAFL so you commenting on it doesn't mean much.

 

[Sphynx]

You can give an 18 year old an AFL contract it does not mean he is a good footballer in a mens comp. Young Buzzlinger at the Bulldogs was recently on the radio and said the WAFL comp was far stronger than the VFL comp and far more seasoned footballers play WAFL than the VFL which is full of just 18 years olds learning.
The VFL is a kindergarten for footy.

Yeah, that North VFL midfield that at one stage a few weeks ago was Ben Cunnington, Hugh Greenwood, Tarryn Thomas and George Wardlaw is pedestrian and kindergarten.

Same as the Brisbane one containing Jarryd Lyons, Mathieson, Answerth and Dunkley.

Same as the Gold Coast one containing Davies, Sexton, Hollands.


Big bodies are one thing, infinitely better footballers than glorified suburban footballers are another.

A big bunch of WAFL footballers would struggle to make Div 1 suburban sides in Melbourne, let alone the Werribee and Williamstown sides.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You can give an 18 year old an AFL contract it does not mean he is a good footballer in a mens comp. Young Buzzlinger at the Bulldogs was recently on the radio and said the WAFL comp was far stronger than the VFL comp and far more seasoned footballers play WAFL than the VFL which is full of just 18 years olds learning.
The VFL is a kindergarten for footy.

Oh yeah he will definetly go on radio and say

"Yeah the WAFL players are ****ing shithouse. Im glad to play in a real comp like the VFL"

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I'm with GWS on this. The high level of cohesion increases the quality of football played at WAFL & SANF, this is helped by the integration of Colts & Reserves into a coherent pathway to WAFL league comp.

The advantage of joining the VFL (Reserves comp) is only obtained through expanded lists or secondary lists, having the same list sizes and conditions & playing in the VFL would be an objectively worse scenario for the club.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No idea, the VFL quit state footy as they were no longer competitive at Senior State level. And by the sounds of it you don't watch much WAFL so you commenting on it doesn't mean much.

I did back in the day but like most, lost interest when the competiton lost its integrity

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I did back in the day but like most, lost interest when the competiton lost its integrity

And guess which club helped lose it's integrity. I will give you 1 guess.