2nds WAFL / Beagles Watch 2023

[RookiePick]

The WAFL has massive access to potential fans, who already love the game, through junior footy.

They make almost zero effort to engage that demographic. At least it appears that way as a parent in junior club-land.

I'm not sure what the solution is, given the limited resources most clubs are operating with but it seems like there would have to be some benefit to trying to apply a bit more water in their own (district) back yards. As long as the average kid kicking a footy doesn't feel any connection to their local side, the WAFL sides are going to be relying on the ever shrinking pool of pre-AFL oldies and the infinitesimally small amount of new blood that comes through the doors in development squads.

The WAFL has to improve engagement. They have to sell themselves. They have to be relevant as a choice of entertainment.

I'm not particularly convinced that the decision makers at the WAFL clubs want that any more. It seems many of them would be happy having the league lowered into the ground about the same time as they are.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Utilise the fricken prime real estate they are on ?

Opening a bar begrudingly and unwillingly doesnt count as "trying to generate revenue"

As a example, Joondalup Stadium should be hosting many concerts, many festivals. After the football season it should basically be used every single weekend for non football events. If I remember right also, Perth Royal Show wanted to move to Joondalup stadium due to Claremont Showgrounds upgrades and West Perth told them no, they are not interested etc

Apart from being a collection ground for fertiliser, the ground is simply unused and that is largely West Perth related

How many members meetings yiu been to at West Perth. Events Joondalup run everything. West Perth are lucky to be allowed to use the ground. West Perth woukd do all you said abd more if they were allowed to. It’s not their ground to do so. Get your facts right and stop talking rubbish trying to bag WAFL clubs when your AFL club can’t get its shit sorted out.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Thats like saying

"I gave birth to my son, he should give me his wages"

Not really how the real world works unfortunately. You need to take responsibility for your own. Crying with cap in hand because you failed to look after yourself isnt something the Eagles should involve itself in. Cut the poison out and move on with your life should be the Eagles approach to this

Then that’s what the Eagles should, just make sure the profits keep going to the owners.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How many members meetings yiu been to at West Perth. Events Joondalup run everything. West Perth are lucky to be allowed to use the ground. West Perth woukd do all you said abd more if they were allowed to. It’s not their ground to do so. Get your facts right and stop talking rubbish trying to bag WAFL clubs when your AFL club can’t get its s**t sorted out.

You know its not quite that black and white. Its not just West Perths fault to be fair I should say. Their is a bit of poor diligence from Events Joondalup too who have always been lazy themselves and its a 2 way street so do agree with you on that (not the case for Subiaco however and some of the other WAFL clubs where its more club built)

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Thats like saying

"I gave birth to my son, he should give me his wages"

Not really how the real world works unfortunately. You need to take responsibility for your own. Crying with cap in hand because you failed to look after yourself isnt something the Eagles should involve itself in. Cut the poison out and move on with your life should be the Eagles approach to this

You don’t own your son. The WAFC own the Eagles AFL license. In what universe do you live in when the owners don’t get their rightful profits??

 

[greatwhiteshark]

You know its not quite that black and white. Its not just West Perths fault to be fair I should say. Their is a bit of poor diligence from Events Joondalup too who have always been lazy themselves and its a 2 way street so do agree with you on that (not the case for Subiaco however and some of the other WAFL clubs where its more club built)

It’s simply not as easy as yiu say it is mate, I know a company who wanted to give a large sponsorship to a WAFL club and they got told they were not allowed to sponsor such an amount 6 figures. They were the. Told to feel free to invest in corporate facilities at Optus stadium if they wanted to sponsor footy.
Now that is insane.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It’s simply not as easy as yiu say it is mate, I know a company who wanted to give a large sponsorship to a WAFL club and they got told they were not allowed to sponsor such an amount 6 figures. They were the. Told to feel free to invest in corporate facilities at Optus stadium if they wanted to sponsor footy.
Now that is insane.

Is that East Perth? Ive heard stories in that realm for East Perth

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You don’t own your son. The WAFC own the Eagles AFL license. In what universe do you live in when the owners don’t get their rightful profits??

I put it into a category of

Twitter and Tesla dont share profits

I actually dont care if Eagles give WAFL money but the issue is the WAFL teams want it for free and dont want to give up, sacrifice or do anything to receive it. Eagles should be allowed to set up our WAFL team however they want and in return we can give the WAFL clubs some money. If they dont want that or dont want to give anything to receive cash, they should go ask for it elsewhere

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I put it into a category of

Twitter and Tesla dont share profits

I actually dont care if Eagles give WAFL money but the issue is the WAFL teams want it for free and dont want to give up, sacrifice or do anything to receive it. Eagles should be allowed to set up our WAFL team however they want and in return we can give the WAFL clubs some money. If they dont want that or dont want to give anything to receive cash, they should go ask for it elsewhere

Not sure I agree with that but I do believe there is a way to do it that works for all. Not just what works for the Eagles

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not sure I agree with that but I do believe there is a way to do it that works for all. Not just what works for the Eagles

Huh? We are 100% in a "what works for the WAFL" situation here. They have shown they are unwilling to meet half way in any way.

Eagles cant keep waiting for the WAFL to do the right thing. Force them too

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Huh? We are 100% in a "what works for the WAFL" situation here. They have shown they are unwilling to meet half way in any way.

Eagles cant keep waiting for the WAFL to do the right thing. Force them too

Again not true.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Utilise the fricken prime real estate they are on ?

Opening a bar begrudingly and unwillingly doesnt count as "trying to generate revenue"

As a example, Joondalup Stadium should be hosting many concerts, many festivals. After the football season it should basically be used every single weekend for non football events. If I remember right also, Perth Royal Show wanted to move to Joondalup stadium due to Claremont Showgrounds upgrades and West Perth told them no, they are not interested etc

Apart from being a collection ground for fertiliser, the ground is simply unused and that is largely West Perth related

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Arena Joondalup is operated by VenuesWest.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

<Readers added context they considered important>

Arena Joondalup is operated by VenuesWest.

Im aware but the arrangement is not that simple . It’s a two sided problem for West Perth however whereas a club like Subiaco its more self inflicted so I get that aspect

 

[WCE_Phill]

Interesting article, unsure who this means other than Brayshaw but could only help the Beagles

 

[UseR2006]

Interesting article, unsure who this means other than Brayshaw but could only help the Beagles

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Posted the thing in the back of house thread

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Interesting article, unsure who this means other than Brayshaw but could only help the Beagles

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And the Eagles wonder why the WAFL clubs don’t care for them much.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

And the Eagles wonder why the WAFL clubs don’t care for them much.

Do you think there’s any other WAFL players who work for one club and play for another?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Do you think there’s any other WAFL players who work for one club and play for another?

It’s a totally different situation. The eagles do t give a crap about their WAFL team. This is just another way of trying to get players outside the rules. Brayshaw can do what he likes, but I hope Rotham tells them to shove it.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Do you think there’s any other WAFL players who work for one club and play for another?

And please stop calling the Beagles a club, they are a development squad at best

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It’s a totally different situation. The eagles do t give a crap about their WAFL team. This is just another way of trying to get players outside the rules. Brayshaw can do what he likes, but I hope Rotham tells them to shove it.

One is a player working at one club then playing against them on the weekend.

The other is a player working at one club then playing against them on the weekend.

I don’t see why it’s different.

I can see the argument for Rotham being grandfathered in, if the club was happy to give him a job knowing he was already playing at West Perth then they should probably be bound by that.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

One is a player working at one club then playing against them on the weekend.

The other is a player working at one club then playing against them on the weekend.

I don’t see why it’s different.

I can see the argument for Rotham being grandfathered in, if the club was happy to give him a job knowing he was already playing at West Perth then they should probably be bound by that.

What does Rotham do anyway at the Eagles? What’s the role

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

What does Rotham do anyway at the Eagles? What’s the role

 

[Truckosaurus]

"Demonstrated history of working in [industry]" is one of the least impressive things I've ever seen on a LinkedIn profile.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

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So no role what so ever that would be a problem him playing footy at a WAFL club.
The Eagles should allow it and maybe find out what grown men having a crack actually means.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I think it can work but it must be run totally by the WAFL club. All that happens is the Eagles send a list saying these 10 players are available to play. We would be happy if they play in these positions but ultimately it’s totally up to the WAFL club.
It’s nit complicated but the Eagles stuff it up with every single scenario.

What benefits has the WAFL side even produced?
Our last flag was the year prior to the reserves side's first season.
I wouldn't be opposed to an alignment model with the host team having full control of running of their own club.
We can't compare any other club to Peel who have no history.
Also if some players are being played in the reserves, it's potentially still better development than being thumped every week.
Same with being played out of position, this may still happen to some players in the Beagles if we have too many players that play a certain position.