Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Jazny]

LOL, and people still run the line that Israel has internal systems to deal with misbehaving soldiers.

They do, it's extremely lenient though even when soldiers are found guilty. All countries struggle to or don't properly investigate soldiers for war crimes, including our own:

'Broken system': Why allegations of war crimes by ADF soldiers may never result in charges

Questions are being raised about how alleged war crimes by the Australian Defence Force are investigated, following the response to the Brereton inquiry.

www.abc.net.au

I watched Breaker Morant a month ago and it seems many Australians still think that guy should have been found not guilty He executed prisoners of war...

 

[Kurve]

 

[Kurve]

 

[faible]

Ireland is one of the few western countries that can actually say they've stood by their principles.

 

[Jazny]

Trump is really doubling down on this threat that "all hell will break loose" in the middle east if the hostages aren't returned before he takes office. That's less than two weeks now. He has kind of backed himself into a corner on this, I don't think all the hostages will be returned by then. Who knows what will happen. He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to make a threat and loose face by doing nothing if his demands aren't met.

 

[faible]

Trump is really doubling down on this threat that "all hell will break loose" in the middle east if the hostages aren't returned before he takes office. That's less than two weeks now. He has kind of backed himself into a corner on this, I don't think all the hostages will be returned by then. Who knows what will happen. He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to make a threat and loose face by doing nothing if his demands aren't met.

Trump to Netanyahu:

 

[Deliverance]

Trump is really doubling down on this threat that "all hell will break loose" in the middle east if the hostages aren't returned before he takes office. That's less than two weeks now. He has kind of backed himself into a corner on this, I don't think all the hostages will be returned by then. Who knows what will happen. He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to make a threat and loose face by doing nothing if his demands aren't met.

He's already backed out of other core promises, like food price relief. This one he'll have to see through though, to repay his Zionist funders

 

[Kurve]

Trump is really doubling down on this threat that "all hell will break loose" in the middle east if the hostages aren't returned before he takes office. That's less than two weeks now. He has kind of backed himself into a corner on this, I don't think all the hostages will be returned by then. Who knows what will happen. He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to make a threat and loose face by doing nothing if his demands aren't met.

Yeh he isn't lying imo, what he's going to do though?

 

[Jazny]

Yeh he isn't lying imo, what he's going to do though?

Nothing good, I think. But I only hope whatever he does brings an end to this in the best possible way, but it's unlikely.

If Blinken is to be believed, and he probably is to an extent, I think it's been good for Israel and for the people of Gaza to have more moderate voices coming from America. If Trump's people are all crazy right wingers, this could get very messy and even more disastrous for Gaza.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

IDF up to their usual tricks. Seems like every accusation they make, they are guilty of themselves….

 

[Kurve]

On Erdogan.

“Turkey has been after Syria under different names and in different ways, forms for 2000 years.

But if you look at what happened with Syria, Russia was weakened, Iran was weakened. And he's a very smart guy, and he sent his people in there through different forms and different names, and they went in and they took over…”

 

[Deliverance]

Human shields are bad yeah?

Palestinian in Gaza shot to death by Israeli commander while assisting IDF, report says

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Zidane98]

Israeli officials say 3 killed in West Bank shooting attack, with troops "pursuing the terrorists"

Far-right Israeli official calls for destruction of Palestinian town in occupied West Bank after 3 killed, 7 wounded in shooting attack.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Kurve]

Israeli officials say 3 killed in West Bank shooting attack, with troops "pursuing the terrorists"

Far-right Israeli official calls for destruction of Palestinian town in occupied West Bank after 3 killed, 7 wounded in shooting attack.

www.cbsnews.com

I've been afraid of that.

 

[Zidane98]

Alleged ceasefire proposal leaked



Hamas current unable to supply Israel with a list of hostages to be released is the alleged reason for holdup of implementation.


Bearing in mind that there was a permanent ceasefire agreed between Israel & Hamas in Aug 2022 that was active on Oct 6 2023. Israel had also recently agreed to a Hamas demand that Gazans be allowed employment in Israel on Sept 29 2023 mediated by Qatar.

 

[Deliverance]

Alleged ceasefire proposal leaked



Hamas current unable to supply Israel with a list of hostages to be released is the alleged reason for holdup of implementation.


Bearing in mind that there was a permanent ceasefire agreed between Israel & Hamas in Aug 2022 that was active on Oct 6 2023. Israel had also recently agreed to a Hamas demand that Gazans be allowed employment in Israel on Sept 29 2023 mediated by Qatar.

I don't think they had been fully agreed to. And they weren't additional, they were just reopening ones that Netanyahu had closed off before.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Wait, what are you even arguing against?

Your assertion that the desolation of Rafah is just ordinary damage from an ordinary war.

I have not heard any credible reports of Israel having a policy of targeting civilians. I imaging if they were bombing the civilian populated for 15 months, it would probably look like at least half of Gaza dead if not more.

Of course there's no official policy of directly targeting civilians, not even Israeli society is that twisted. Why do you play these sematic games? A policy of targeting civilians is not a requirement for war crimes, nor for genocide.

To produce the results they want, we know from multiple sources the IDF have a longstanding policy of shooting any Palestinians who cross their imaginary lines, no matter whether they actually believe they are Hamas or not, or whether they are holding a weapon or not. Just killing them so they can inflate their supposed 'terrorist' body count and help them pretend they are achieving their aims in this strategic failure of a war.

Here's a new article from December:

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Human shields are bad yeah?

Palestinian in Gaza shot to death by Israeli commander while assisting IDF, report says

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www.haaretz.com

Shot a Palestinian they were using in place of their detection dogs, on the spot.

 

[faible]

Bearing in mind that there was a permanent ceasefire agreed between Israel & Hamas in Aug 2022 that was active on Oct 6 2023. Israel had also recently agreed to a Hamas demand that Gazans be allowed employment in Israel on Sept 29 2023 mediated by Qatar.

Security Council Briefing (Emergency Session) on the Situation in the Middle East (as Delivered by Special Coordinator Wennesland), 8 August 2022 - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Peacekeeping and Peacebuilding and Protection and Human Rights; published on 8 Aug 2022 by UNSCO

reliefweb.int

At the UN the below was said:

I want to make the Council aware of the following: the ceasefire is fragile. Any resumption of hostilities will only have devastating consequences for Palestinians and Israelis, and make any political progress on key issues elusive.

Ultimately, the underlying drivers of this and previous escalations remain. These cycles of violence will only cease when we achieve a political resolution of the conflict that brings an end to the occupation and the realization of a two-State solution on the basis of the 1967 lines, in line with UN resolutions, international law and previous agreements.

Those underlying drivers were not resolved. Still haven't been resolved.

Doing the same thing, expecting different results, is stupidity and has cost thousands of civilians their lives.

 

[Zidane98]

Security Council Briefing (Emergency Session) on the Situation in the Middle East (as Delivered by Special Coordinator Wennesland), 8 August 2022 - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Peacekeeping and Peacebuilding and Protection and Human Rights; published on 8 Aug 2022 by UNSCO

reliefweb.int

At the UN the below was said:



Those underlying drivers were not resolved. Still haven't been resolved.

Doing the same thing, expecting different results, is stupidity and has cost thousands of civilians their lives.

Arab world refused the UN partition plan in 1947.

Israel offered a pretty good two state solution in 2008 that was turned down by Palestine.

Clinton parameters were refused also in 2000.

Constantly refusing two state solutions in favour of war isn't helpful and has contributed to the far right gaining power who are not interested in offering anything.


All this aside it is none of this is reason at all for Hamas to break a ceasefire agreement on Oct 7 and launch one of the biggest terror attacks seen this century - especially as Israel had just accepted a demand from Hamas literally on Sept 29 for 18000 Gazan work permits.

 

[faible]

Arab world refused the UN partition plan in 1947.

Israel offered a pretty good two state solution in 2008 that was turned down by Palestine.

Clinton parameters were refused also in 2000.

Constantly refusing two state solutions in favour of war isn't helpful and has contributed to the far right gaining power who are not interested in offering anything.


All this aside it is none of this is reason at all for Hamas to break a ceasefire agreement on Oct 7 and launch one of the biggest terror attacks seen this century - especially as Israel had just accepted a demand from Hamas literally on Sept 29 for 18000 Gazan work permits.

Zidane rewrites history episode #345.

 

[Zidane98]

Zidane rewrites history episode #345.

Instead of offering an argument all you can do is play the man instead of the ball.

A faible speciality when knowingly in the wrong.

 

[faible]

Instead of offering an argument all you can do is play the man instead of the ball.

A faible speciality when knowingly in the wrong.

You reset your brain daily remember. You'd had all these arguments before, where you very selectively interpret history, ignore all context, have people explain in far more detail why you're wrong, then you'll wake up the next day and just rehash the same stuff all over again.

 

[Zidane98]

Imagine a poster dishonest enough to accuse someone of "rewriting history" without bothering to explain how / why they believe such a thing.

Dishonest posting 101 here. Absolutely not surprising coming from a poster who is well known for such behaviour.

 

[Zidane98]

You reset your brain daily remember. You'd had all these arguments before, where you very selectively interpret history, ignore all context, have people explain in far more detail why you're wrong, then you'll wake up the next day and just rehash the same stuff all over again.

Hilarious. Dishonest posting again from you. I'd say you are below Zev now in terms of bias in this thread.

1.01 odds you'll respond with more personal attacks and no actual arguments to your quite clearly bullshit accusation of "rewriting history".