Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 2

[Gethelred]

This is a sensitive area for some. With that in mind, I'm going to remind a few posters a few things:

• personal attacks are against forum rules. From this point, any attacks that are directed at another poster will be treated with a warning, then infractions and threadbans if it continues.
• the spread of misinformation is also against the rules. This is taken very seriously by moderation, and you will be asked to support your opinion from time to time. If you cannot satisfy this, you will be provided an opportunity to retract your post; if you do not, you will receive an infraction and a threadban on that basis.

This is a forum for adults, and I'd appreciate you all treating each other appropriately.

 

[Zidane98]

Btw I know I haven't been endlessly spamming the thread as much I had previously but there's been a (positive) change in home situation keeping me too occupied. I'm still appreciating everything contributed here by everyone.

You are the #1 intel source on Ukraine invasion!

 

[wannabejack]

You are the #1 intel source on Ukraine invasion!

This thread is my #1 intel source on Ukraine invasion!

 

[Nothing]

You are the #1 intel source on Ukraine invasion!

I've heard the UK MOD twitter account waits for Mobbs to post before writing anything.

 

[TedDougChris]

I've heard the UK MOD twitter account waits for Mobbs to post before writing anything.

#MobbsDelivers !!!

 

[Aussie in exile]

Pixie Putin won't like this news

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/28/ukraine-russia-war-himars-missiles/

 

[Marcel Proust]

Nobody thinks it's a possibility, because there's no scenario where it might occur.

It's just not even worth talking about.

United Nations’ secretary general, António Guterres says otherwise.

 

[Visions]

Those idiot Russians are it again. After the fairytale the Russian MOD invented a few weeks ago when they claimed to have destroyed 4 HIMARS when all they hit were defenceless trees, their latest fable entails taking out 2 HIMARS that were hidden inside a building on the second floor.

As others have mentioned elewhere, did the HIMARS take the stairs or elevator?

 

[mighty tiges]

"It is the Biden administration that is directly responsible for all rocket attacks approved by Kyiv on residential areas and civilian infrastructure facilities in settlements of Donbass and other regions that caused mass deaths of civilians," Mr Konashenkov said.

Yeah right, the Russians care about civilians

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[CD Xbow]

"It is the Biden administration that is directly responsible for all rocket attacks approved by Kyiv on residential areas and civilian infrastructure facilities in settlements of Donbass and other regions that caused mass deaths of civilians," Mr Konashenkov said.

Yeah right, the Russians care about civilians

Never responsible for anything. Always someone else to blame. Mr Putin starts a barbaric war and it's someone else fault. It's almost 2-3 year old behaviour, "it wasn't me, it was him". Unfortunately these kiddies have nukes and imperial desires.

 

[Zidane98]

"It is the Biden administration that is directly responsible for all rocket attacks approved by Kyiv on residential areas and civilian infrastructure facilities in settlements of Donbass and other regions that caused mass deaths of civilians," Mr Konashenkov said.

Yeah right, the Russians care about civilians

Translation:

Ukrainian army kicked our armys arse in a battle thanks to HIMARS.



Let's try and claim an attack on civilians in a feeble attempt at stopping US arms supplies flowing to Ukraine.

 

[Marcel Proust]

After the bridges over the Dnipro river into Kherson were taken out by HIMARS the last few days, Russia has been sending reinforcements away from Donbas to there.

Since there were no more bridges to attack, the UAF have focused the HIMARS elsewhere.

Many reports of a counter offensive in kherson.

May be a key battle ?

 

[CD Xbow]

Many reports of a counter offensive in kherson.

May be a key battle ?

Yes, for a few reasons. First large offensive for Ukrainians, a major city held by the Russians, a gateway to the south. It will be interesting to see the Russians resolve. They haven't had the same amount of time as in the East to build up a defence, the south may be an easier nut to crack than the East.

 

[Aussie in exile]

"It is the Biden administration that is directly responsible for all rocket attacks approved by Kyiv on residential areas and civilian infrastructure facilities in settlements of Donbass and other regions that caused mass deaths of civilians," Mr Konashenkov said.

Yeah right, the Russians care about civilians

The Russians seem to forget that they illegally invaded Ukraine

 

[Aussie in exile]

Many reports of a counter offensive in kherson.

May be a key battle ?

Yes, for a few reasons. First large offensive for Ukrainians, a major city held by the Russians, a gateway to the south. It will be interesting to see the Russians resolve. They haven't had the same amount of time as in the East to build up a defence, the south may be an easier nut to crack than the East.

The beginning of the end for Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine we hope.

MSN

 

[wannabejack]

Ukrainian Strike Likely Severs Rail Link Between Crimea And Kherson As Fighting In Donbas 'Just Hell'

A Ukrainian strike on a Russian ammunition train most likely damaged the rail connection between the Moscow-occupied Kherson region and annexed Crimea, British intelligence said on August 3, as Kyiv admitted that despite supplies of Western weapons the military situation in the east was "hell."

www.rferl.org

 

[Jello_B]

Those idiot Russians are it again. After the fairytale the Russian MOD invented a few weeks ago when they claimed to have destroyed 4 HIMARS when all they hit were defenceless trees, their latest fable entails taking out 2 HIMARS that were hidden inside a building on the second floor.

As others have mentioned elewhere, did the HIMARS take the stairs or elevator?

It’s possible. I once got a 12T 3hr fire rated fuel tank of comparable dimensions to level two of an office building for backing up a data centre. Greatest risk is the structural loading on the level below beams when rollling the unit into place.
Not saying the above actually happened but technically it’s not impossible.

 

[madmug]

It’s possible. I once got a 12T 3hr fire rated fuel tank of comparable dimensions to level two of an office building for backing up a data centre. Greatest risk is the structural loading on the level below beams when rollling the unit into place.
Not saying the above actually happened but technically it’s not impossible.

But why would they?

The point is HIMARS is mobile, Shoot & scoot.

So why would they 'immobilise' it??

 

[TedDougChris]

But why would they?

The point is HIMARS is mobile, Shoot & scoot.

So why would they 'immobilise' it??

Hide it next to the building, then drive off if necessary. But why would you then endanger buildings and civilians from blatant Russian acts of terrorism by firing from next to a civilian target ?? You wouldn't if you were Ukraine, so this didn't happen.

 

[Jello_B]

But why would they?

The point is HIMARS is mobile, Shoot & scoot.

So why would they 'immobilise' it??

How do I know? Just thought I’d share something I know about being an engineer.

 

[Saint]

It’s possible. I once got a 12T 3hr fire rated fuel tank of comparable dimensions to level two of an office building for backing up a data centre. Greatest risk is the structural loading on the level below beams when rollling the unit into place.
Not saying the above actually happened but technically it’s not impossible.

Haha,

What do you reckon the load rating of a massive missile system is, particularly while it's launching missiles? It would go from the dead weight to 3x that. They definitely weren't launching from the second floor, no engineer in the world would think that was a good idea.

They might have been storing the missiles there, but not the launcher.

 

[Saint]

Yes, for a few reasons. First large offensive for Ukrainians, a major city held by the Russians, a gateway to the south. It will be interesting to see the Russians resolve. They haven't had the same amount of time as in the East to build up a defence, the south may be an easier nut to crack than the East.

If there's a ceasefire and Kherson remains in Russian hands, they'll be able to reinforce it and it will always threaten Ukraine's coastline and southern regions.

If Ukraine cut it off and re-take it, that risk is eliminated.

If Russia keep up all this talk about the US being too involved, the US might just get too involved and NATO might stop tolerating launches from Belarus (not sure why they do already).

If Nato declares Belarus a legitimate target or warns them off any more strikes, the army will put a gun to Lukashenko's head and he'll be on the next flight to Moscow for protection.

 

[Jello_B]

Haha,

What do you reckon the load rating of a massive missile system is, particularly while it's launching missiles? It would go from the dead weight to 3x that. They definitely weren't launching from the second floor, no engineer in the world would think that was a good idea.

They might have been storing the missiles there, but not the launcher.

Yer that’s fair and I honestly have no idea on how the propulsion system places extra load on the structure. I was only referring a post that had dimensions and weight so thought I’d share an experience where we had moved a similar object onto an an upper level of a building.

 

[CD Xbow]

Yer that’s fair and I honestly have no idea on how the propulsion system places extra load on the structure. I was only referring a post that had dimensions and weight so thought I’d share an experience where we had moved a similar object onto an an upper level of a building.

The launching of artillery rockets is generally regarded as a pursuit best engaged outside. If you have seen the exhaust plume as these rockets launch you will understand why it's regarded as 'ill considered'.

 

[Visions]

Yes, for a few reasons. First large offensive for Ukrainians, a major city held by the Russians, a gateway to the south. It will be interesting to see the Russians resolve. They haven't had the same amount of time as in the East to build up a defence, the south may be an easier nut to crack than the East.

Kherson oblast wont be easy to conquer unfortunately. Russia has seen the threat that the UAF poses there and unlike Kyiv, they will fight to the end as losing it would be utterly humiliating for Putin, the Russian army and Russia in general.

Thats why they have in the last week sent over 10 BTG from the Donbas region as reinforcements, and to muddy the battlefield they might just counter against the UAF and attack towards Mykolaiv.

The biggest problem that the Russian muppets face is that since the bridges and railway lines have been cut, trying to supply all these new troops in the area will take a mammoth effort, something the Russians have shown us they are sh!t at. So hopefully they end up with thousands upon thousands of troops on the wrong side of the river without supplies making them easy pickings.