Welcome Welcome to Hawthorn : Pick 7, Cam MacKenzie, extends to 2026!

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[TDS7]

I wondered about it for Brocky.

Because what we really need is three young players changing positions to play the one role on the field we arguably have way too many of.

Ward's a mid.
Cam's a mid.
Brocky's a forward.

Cam and Ward can play HHF or wing if we want to get them out of the guts for a break.

 

[Brant]

Because what we really need is three young players changing positions to play the one role on the field we arguably have way too many of.

Ward's a mid.
Cam's a mid.
Brocky's a forward.

Cam and Ward can play HHF or wing if we want to get them out of the guts for a break.

Never seen a team play someone into form by getting kicks up the field?

Weird post...

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Because what we really need is three young players changing positions to play the one role on the field we arguably have way too many of.

Ward's a mid.
Cam's a mid.
Brocky's a forward.

Cam and Ward can play HHF or wing if we want to get them out of the guts for a break.

i was just wondering bro jesus

 

[TDS7]

Never seen a team play someone into form by getting kicks up the field?

Weird post...

Do we need Ward and Cam to be in form, or do we need them to develop? Our midfielders are a work in progress, we should be letting them learn their positions. Daicos plays off half-back because that's where he can be the most damaging without copping too much of a knock. Cam is at his best in stoppages, we've seen his awareness and confidence in congestion win us clearances and set up scores already. Ward's strengths see him get involved up and down the ground, but as a link-up player rather than an igniter of plays. I'd rather our halfbacks set up switches and corridor plays looking for Ward than have Ward being the one to initiate the play. It comes down to his strengths, if he can cleanly get involved through the guts we can clean up our corridor possesions, which I think we can agree has been a dire need this season.

It's not that it's a terrible idea, just that it's as repetitive as saying "Sicily forward" or "Kosi back". Changing positions on a whim isn't what improves a player when we want them to be learning as a midfielder.

i was just wondering bro jesus

All good to wonder, I'm just getting tired of people seeing other players do something and thinking it's got to be the answer to our problems. Brockman is electric in bursts, but I don't think he has the tank to run off the halfback. His strengths make him a great forward, no need to try and build him into more of a distributor. Let him learn his craft.

 

[HedgeFund]

Because what we really need is three young players changing positions to play the one role on the field we arguably have way too many of.

Ward's a mid.
Cam's a mid.
Brocky's a forward.

Cam and Ward can play HHF or wing if we want to get them out of the guts for a break.

Way too sensible.

 

[HedgeFund]

Do we need Ward and Cam to be in form, or do we need them to develop? Our midfielders are a work in progress, we should be letting them learn their positions. Daicos plays off half-back because that's where he can be the most damaging without copping too much of a knock. Cam is at his best in stoppages, we've seen his awareness and confidence in congestion win us clearances and set up scores already. Ward's strengths see him get involved up and down the ground, but as a link-up player rather than an igniter of plays. I'd rather our halfbacks set up switches and corridor plays looking for Ward than have Ward being the one to initiate the play. It comes down to his strengths, if he can cleanly get involved through the guts we can clean up our corridor possesions, which I think we can agree has been a dire need this season.

It's not that it's a terrible idea, just that it's as repetitive as saying "Sicily forward" or "Kosi back". Changing positions on a whim isn't what improves a player when we want them to be learning as a midfielder.


All good to wonder, I'm just getting tired of people seeing other players do something and thinking it's got to be the answer to our problems. Brockman is electric in bursts, but I don't think he has the tank to run off the halfback. His strengths make him a great forward, no need to try and build him into more of a distributor. Let him learn his craft.

Daicos plays off half back because their midfield is elite and bats 7 deep.

We clearly don’t have the same luxury.

He’s already been in their CBA crew a few times and played off the wing a bit too.

 

[Brant]

Do we need Ward and Cam to be in form, or do we need them to develop? Our midfielders are a work in progress, we should be letting them learn their positions. Daicos plays off half-back because that's where he can be the most damaging without copping too much of a knock. Cam is at his best in stoppages, we've seen his awareness and confidence in congestion win us clearances and set up scores already. Ward's strengths see him get involved up and down the ground, but as a link-up player rather than an igniter of plays. I'd rather our halfbacks set up switches and corridor plays looking for Ward than have Ward being the one to initiate the play. It comes down to his strengths, if he can cleanly get involved through the guts we can clean up our corridor possesions, which I think we can agree has been a dire need this season.

It's not that it's a terrible idea, just that it's as repetitive as saying "Sicily forward" or "Kosi back". Changing positions on a whim isn't what improves a player when we want them to be learning as a midfielder.


All good to wonder, I'm just getting tired of people seeing other players do something and thinking it's got to be the answer to our problems. Brockman is electric in bursts, but I don't think he has the tank to run off the halfback. His strengths make him a great forward, no need to try and build him into more of a distributor. Let him learn his craft.

I posted about Brocky. Not Mackenzie. Not Ward.

And there's plenty of merit in moving young Forwards around to get them involved. You can let them sit in an FP & not get near it for 40 mins at a time & some will be fine with that- they'll make the most of limited chances etc. Others, might benefit more from getting up the ground & getting involved - increasing their work rate & working into games/form.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Ward is a really neat user of the ball and has the endurance to play a similar role to those guys... that's all... He has similar attributes to Cos and Cheese. Just some pontification my friends, I agree that he probably should and 99% will play mostly mid.

But the role Bramble was playing was very very similar to what those guys play, and I think that Sam wants a player to do that. Which is why Bramble was selected in the R1 22 because he was, during the pre-season, our best option for that role. But maybe Scrim will take over.

Anyway, hopefully CMack gets more CBAs this week as he struggled to get involved vs the Swans playing as a HFF

 

[Titch3Votes0MooreAA]

When you possess as many quality young midfielders as we now do, the truth is that 2 or 3 of them are going to find themselves playing half forward, wing and even off half back. Mackenzie and MacDonald find themselves in this position. However, the best players are those who can find a way to impact the game no matter what position they're playing. Look at Hodgey, Dusty, Burgoyne, Callum Mills

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, and Roughy, to a lesser extent, and now Harry Sheezel and Harley Reid.
These next few years should be good learning experiences for these guys.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

When you possess as many quality young midfielders as we now do, the truth is that 2 or 3 of them are going to find themselves playing half forward and even off half back. Mackenzie and MacDonald find themselves in this position. However, the best players are those who can find a way to impact the game no matter what position they're playing. Look at Hodgey, Dusty, Burgoyne, Callum Mills, and Roughy, to a lesser extent, and now Harry Sheezel and Harley Reid.
These next few years should be good learning experiences for these guys.

Yes, at the end of the day there are only a certain amount of CBA's per game and some players are going to take up a large percentage of them.

For us, currently, it will be Newcombe and Worpel. Both will need to be able to impact the game in other areas soon. I suspect Newcombe could become a decent resting forward as he is strong overhead, though Worpel really doesn't have any versatility to his game ATM.

As for the other youngsters: Ward has shown he can play as a wingman. Day can play HBF and wing. Mackenzie and MacDonald will be learning how to play HFF and wing.

 

[The Chad and I]

Wonder if we could play him in the Daicos and Sheezel role. Mackenzie had at least played HBF before moving into the midfield, and the more we get the ball into his hands the better.

We've gotta stop pushing players into the soft position of HBF-receiver to make them look good.
We have 10 players who can play that kind of role and we don't need any more of them.

Ward, Brockman and Mackenzie were drafted into positions we need to fill.
They've shown that they can contribute in those roles so no need to move them around at all IMO.

 

[B&GBlood]

True but you need about ten on the park that can run through the middle including wings the way the game is being played.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

We've gotta stop pushing players into the soft position of HBF-receiver to make them look good.
We have 10 players who can play that kind of role and we don't need any more of them.

Ward, Brockman and Mackenzie were drafted into positions we need to fill.
They've shown that they can contribute in those roles so no need to move them around at all IMO.

What do you mean we have to stop doing that? We haven't actually done it once to anyone.

It was simply an off the cuff idea that may help get the ball in Mackenzie's hands when he's struggling to get involved.

 

[Davo-27]

What do you mean we have to stop doing that? We haven't actually done it once to anyone.

It was simply an off the cuff idea that may help get the ball in Mackenzie's hands when he's struggling to get involved.

MacKenzie playing the Daicos/Sheezel role would be a good backup role if he doesn't win it in the guts and hit a forward, I like it better than hff tbh, because he can be involved in play making more.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

MacKenzie playing the Daicos/Sheezel role would be a good backup role if he doesn't win it in the guts and hit a forward, I like it better than hff tbh, because he can be involved in play making more.

Yeah really I'm just wanting to see the ball in his hands as much as possible.

 

[CobberRodgers]

My biggest question is.

Do I pull the trigger and get my little fella the 28 on the back now, or expect a lower number eventually, this kid is worth a single digit!

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

so uh... has anyone seen Ward distributing the ball from the back pocket from time to time? Just saying..

 

[toomanysquibs]

I posted about Brocky. Not Mackenzie. Not Ward.

And there's plenty of merit in moving young Forwards around to get them involved. You can let them sit in an FP & not get near it for 40 mins at a time & some will be fine with that- they'll make the most of limited chances etc. Others, might benefit more from getting up the ground & getting involved - increasing their work rate & working into games/form.

He will definitely play in the middle at some stage too. He's so powerful around the ball, and is smart using it in tight. Seems a natural rotation for mine - quick, smart, strong.

Mac V2.0 very good today just to get the thread back onto him. Aside from missing that goal, he was bloody sharp in the contest and tackling as well.

Punching miles above his weight, going to be a monster when he gets some size on him. He and Mc V1.0 are the best kicks in the team already, aside from Amon who is on another level

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

yeah Mack was fantastic today. We have to sacrifice Newk and Worpel a bit to get him CBAs but it's worth it

 

[tl92]

What do you mean we have to stop doing that? We haven't actually done it once to anyone.

It was simply an off the cuff idea that may help get the ball in Mackenzie's hands when he's struggling to get involved.

Josh Morris, Seamus Mitchell spring to mind as recent examples.

 

[Gut Runner]

9 tackles very good. Will be destroying blokes when he puts on some size.

Obviously very courageous as he hasn't filled out yet?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Josh Morris, Seamus Mitchell spring to mind as recent examples.

I must have misunderstood him then, as I was thinking of us moving a player into that HBF role to free them up like Daicos/Sheezel.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Because what we really need is three young players changing positions to play the one role on the field we arguably have way too many of.

Ward's a mid.
Cam's a mid.
Brocky's a forward.

Cam and Ward can play HHF or wing if we want to get them out of the guts for a break.

apologise to me baby

 

[TDS7]

apologise to me baby

Brockman starred as a forward.

Cam played through the guts and was massiv, else at Half Forward getting involved.

Wardy hardly had the Seagull role of Sheezel and Daicos.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm in the right.

 

[chopflop]

My biggest question is.

Do I pull the trigger and get my little fella the 28 on the back now, or expect a lower number eventually, this kid is worth a single digit!

Hold fire!