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Hello potentially good forward line.
Time to get us a ****ing key forward coach.
Time to get us a ****ing key forward coach.
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How long have we been into him?
threenewpadlocks
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Boyd and Schache.
Hello opposition key defenders for the next 10 years.
Hello opposition key defenders for the next 10 years.
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ThirdLegUp
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Very happy about this. Is there risk, yeah, of course, but 'homesickness' is a very broad stroke regarding Josh wanting out of the Lions.
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Definitely worth the risk. Hope he can find some form with us.
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From AFL...
THE WESTERN Bulldogs have granted homesick key forward Josh Schache his wish to return to Victoria, in a bargain deal compared to his lofty draft value just two years ago.
The No.2 pick in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft departs the Brisbane Lions – where his late father Laurence played 29 games – for picks 25 and 40 two years later.
The trade paves the way for the Bulldogs to sport one of the competition's best key forward combinations, with Schache joining 2013's No.1 draft pick Tom Boyd.
The Schache deal was rubber-stamped after the 2pm AEDT deadline, but the terms were already agreed upon before the cut-off.
Bulldogs director of football Chris Grant confirmed his club had been keen on Schache for some time, but ramped up its interest this week.
He also said they were taking a "glass half-full" approach to Schache rather than focusing on the question marks on his mentality and competitiveness.
"We became really keen during the start of this week and he was really keen to come to us, so we had to tick those boxes, that went well, and then obviously today was in earnest," Grant said.
"(Schache)'s really happy. I'm sure he'll thank the Brisbane Lions Football Club for the last two years of support he's had as an AFL player, but he was really keen to get home and we were really keen to facilitate that."
Grant was already excited about what Schache and Boyd, who has spent considerable time in the ruck, could achieve together as forwards.
"It's all about talent, and both those boys are talented players," Grant said.
"It doesn't matter if you're five-foot-four or you're six-foot-seven, if you can play the game, you're a real asset to a team.
"We see a great combination between both those players, but also 'Roughy' (Jordan Roughead) in the ruck, so we're really well placed."
Schache's contract saga was one of the biggest stories this year, even once he shocked the AFL industry in re-signing for two years in June.
The speculation the 20-year-old from Seymour could go home went into overdrive when the Lions granted him leave – citing fatigue – for a second time this season ahead of the NEAFL Grand Final.
The club's general manager of football, David Noble, announced early in the NAB AFL Trade Period that it was willing to trade Schache if a suitable offer arose.
"We've had a mature conversation more than anything about Josh's desire to go home, and we had that conversation open and honestly when he re-signed that we thought there'd be a point in time when he would consider going home," Noble told NAB AFL Trade Radio.
"We've got on the front foot and had a conversation with Josh and his manager and if things work out for both parties he would be interested."
Schache played 27 matches and kicked 25 goals in his two seasons at the Lions.
The 199cm forward won the Larke Medal at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships in 2015 for his record 24-goal haul and remains a bright long-term prospect.
The Bulldogs traded Jake Stringer to Essendon earlier on Thursday, meaning the make-up of their forward line will be far different next year.
THE WESTERN Bulldogs have granted homesick key forward Josh Schache his wish to return to Victoria, in a bargain deal compared to his lofty draft value just two years ago.
The No.2 pick in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft departs the Brisbane Lions – where his late father Laurence played 29 games – for picks 25 and 40 two years later.
The trade paves the way for the Bulldogs to sport one of the competition's best key forward combinations, with Schache joining 2013's No.1 draft pick Tom Boyd.
The Schache deal was rubber-stamped after the 2pm AEDT deadline, but the terms were already agreed upon before the cut-off.
Bulldogs director of football Chris Grant confirmed his club had been keen on Schache for some time, but ramped up its interest this week.
He also said they were taking a "glass half-full" approach to Schache rather than focusing on the question marks on his mentality and competitiveness.
"We became really keen during the start of this week and he was really keen to come to us, so we had to tick those boxes, that went well, and then obviously today was in earnest," Grant said.
"(Schache)'s really happy. I'm sure he'll thank the Brisbane Lions Football Club for the last two years of support he's had as an AFL player, but he was really keen to get home and we were really keen to facilitate that."
Grant was already excited about what Schache and Boyd, who has spent considerable time in the ruck, could achieve together as forwards.
"It's all about talent, and both those boys are talented players," Grant said.
"It doesn't matter if you're five-foot-four or you're six-foot-seven, if you can play the game, you're a real asset to a team.
"We see a great combination between both those players, but also 'Roughy' (Jordan Roughead) in the ruck, so we're really well placed."
Schache's contract saga was one of the biggest stories this year, even once he shocked the AFL industry in re-signing for two years in June.
The speculation the 20-year-old from Seymour could go home went into overdrive when the Lions granted him leave – citing fatigue – for a second time this season ahead of the NEAFL Grand Final.
The club's general manager of football, David Noble, announced early in the NAB AFL Trade Period that it was willing to trade Schache if a suitable offer arose.
"We've had a mature conversation more than anything about Josh's desire to go home, and we had that conversation open and honestly when he re-signed that we thought there'd be a point in time when he would consider going home," Noble told NAB AFL Trade Radio.
"We've got on the front foot and had a conversation with Josh and his manager and if things work out for both parties he would be interested."
Schache played 27 matches and kicked 25 goals in his two seasons at the Lions.
The 199cm forward won the Larke Medal at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships in 2015 for his record 24-goal haul and remains a bright long-term prospect.
The Bulldogs traded Jake Stringer to Essendon earlier on Thursday, meaning the make-up of their forward line will be far different next year.
hi folks , congrats on getting josh , I am very sorry to see him leave , unfortunately he could not cope with living away from home. believe me the lions did way more for him than you know , even josh will tell all how much he feels for the club and its people , had hoped to give it one more year but perhaps none of us knew there wasn't any option than to return him to Victoria for his own health'
thank god it was the doggies and not the tigers or pies. give him time and hope he can turn out as good as we hoped
thank god it was the doggies and not the tigers or pies. give him time and hope he can turn out as good as we hoped
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Looks like he'll have to change from the #23.
Luckily #9 is ready to go
Luckily #9 is ready to go
Snarls Barkley
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Hopefully by 2020/21 we'll have Tim English, Marcus Adams, Zaine Cordy, Tom Boyd and Josh Schache all in their mid 20's and with 50-100 games under their belts. Potentially a very strong spine.
threenewpadlocks
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think one thing, type another...LOL... boy do you have catching up to do, was the rock comfy?
Dogs_R_Us
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Just think, Brissy fans were singing this I bet, when he got drafted
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How's Schache's contested marking?
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Took 20 odd in his first year of footy.
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Eeerrrrr we already have one....
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Two things. Watching his draft video I see he modeled himself on Travis Cloke. Will be good to handcuff Schache to Travis again and work with each other.
Second thing. All class Lions fans. It must be very hard to swallow trading a guy who was pick 2 not long ago for 25 and 40. Yet you come in here, wish him and us well. Kudos guys, wishing you well for 2018, except against us.
Second thing. All class Lions fans. It must be very hard to swallow trading a guy who was pick 2 not long ago for 25 and 40. Yet you come in here, wish him and us well. Kudos guys, wishing you well for 2018, except against us.
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chopperduck
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Should turn out pretty good for you guys. He isn't a solid lad, so don't expect a contested marking beast, but he is a very hard worker and can take a good grab. Ignore his 2nd year, most players struggle anyway with 2nd year blues. His 1st year statistically compared to any of the top current forwards going around stacks up.
I'm sure he will be a lot more settled and have his head back in the game next year.
I'm sure he will be a lot more settled and have his head back in the game next year.
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First two seasons:
Josh Schache - 27 games - 25 goals - 49 scoring shots - 23 contested marks
Jack Riewoldt - 26 games - 25 goals - 36 scoring shots - 20 contested marks
Josh J. Kennedy - 22 games - 11 goals - 20 scoring shots - 12 contested marks
Joe Daniher - 26 games - 31 goals - 52 scoring shots - 33 contested marks
Tom Hawkins - 19 games - 25 goals - 40 scoring shots - 23 contested marks
Charlie Dixon - 22 games - 10 goals - 20 scoring shots - 17 contested marks
Tom Lynch (GCS) - 30 games - 27 goals - 45 scoring shots - 48 contested marks
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I think it's fair to say that Schache's progression has been reasonably standard so far.
Josh Schache - 27 games - 25 goals - 49 scoring shots - 23 contested marks
Jack Riewoldt - 26 games - 25 goals - 36 scoring shots - 20 contested marks
Josh J. Kennedy - 22 games - 11 goals - 20 scoring shots - 12 contested marks
Joe Daniher - 26 games - 31 goals - 52 scoring shots - 33 contested marks
Tom Hawkins - 19 games - 25 goals - 40 scoring shots - 23 contested marks
Charlie Dixon - 22 games - 10 goals - 20 scoring shots - 17 contested marks
Tom Lynch (GCS) - 30 games - 27 goals - 45 scoring shots - 48 contested marks
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I think it's fair to say that Schache's progression has been reasonably standard so far.
5. Joshua Schache (VIC – KPF)
Height: 199cm, Weight: 96kg, DOB: 21/08/1997
Recruited from: Murray Bushrangers
Reminds me of: A less dominant Tom Lynch (Gold Coast version)/a taller, better Jay Schulz
Best position/role: Centre Half Forward with ability to play Full Forward.
Strength:
Footskills – Schache is an excellent kick of the footy. He has 50-55m of penetration but critically is a precision kick over all distances. In front of goal Schache is reliable whether he is attempting set shots or shots at goal from general play. He consistently hits his targets around the ground over a variety of distances. He has composure with ball in hand consistently making the right decisions. He lowers his eyes and at the right times and is unselfish and will hit the targets inside 50 in better positions to more easily convert. Schache overall has the ability to become one of the best general kicking big men in the game.
Vision – Schache does well to spot meaningful targets up the field or inside 50 and has the footskills to execute these kicks. He demonstrates at times an unselfishness to his game and will consistently lower his eyes and find short – medium distance targets rather than just kick long for the sake of kicking long, in order to find a meaningful target.
Decision making – Schache makes good decisions with ball in hand. He will take his time with ball in hand, make the right decision, and execute by hand or foot to his target.
Set shot goalkicking – Schache is an ultra-reliable set shot goalkicker and can be relied on in front of goal to consistently convert. He can convert consistently from a variety of distances, variety of angles and has for him what is a reliable set shot routine.
Endurance – Schache is only an average athlete by position, but where his real strength lies athletically is in his endurance. Schache is an excellent endurance running key forward and covers the ground as well as any key forward in this draft over the course of four quarters. He will go on his leads up the ground, and will work opposition key defenders over with his endurance superiority.
Marking ability – Schache is a strong mark overhead. He marks near the highest point consistently and is a one grab mark overhead. He can be at times a threatening contested mark but also will take his share of marks on the lead, and he shows a willingness at times to lead up as far as a wing to get some marks. If required Schache can push back into the back half to take intercept marks with his ability to read the flight also excellent.
Contested marking – Schache is not a dominant but still capable if not good contested mark. He can win some 1v1 marking contests and take some strong pack marks. In 1v1 contests he demonstrates excellent ability to read the flight and uses his body well in the contest to take 1v1 marks. Similarly in pack situations Schache is aided by his superior ability to read and get to the drop of the ball for best position, and has the height and strength of marking overhead to take the grab. Overall as a marking thread I consider Schache more finesse than power stylistically, though still effective.
Ability to read the flight – Schache reads the flight of the ball very well. He gets to the drop of the ball consistently and rarely if ever caught out of position in a marking contest. He also while he does not usually play in defence, also has the ability behind the play to take intercept marks.
Ground level ability – Schache has excellent co-ordination below his knees for a key forward. He picks the ball up relatively cleanly off the deck and does not normally fumble when collecting the ground balls. So he is more than just a marking forward and has the blend of marking and ground level ability.
Ability to keep his feet – Schache has a real balance to him and in the contest he consistently keeps his feet and rarely goes to ground which makes him a real threat when the ball hits the deck and he only has the one defender to beat, with his strength and ability to win the ground ball.
Size and strength – Schache is a tall key forward and also has good size and strength to him for his age. He has good strength through the legs for his age to stand up in 1v1 contests and in pack situations he has reasonably good strength overhead but also excellent bodywork to allow him to take his share of contested marks with regularity. Schache has small looking arms and small shoulders which may mean that he does not develop into a beast of a contested marking target, but he should still be more than strong enough to have an impact.
Ability to play multiple positions – Schache while best suited as a key forward also has the ability to be a plausible relief ruckman at AFL level. His limitation through the ruck is a lack of leaping ability or that real towering strength so he won’t win many hitouts but he covers the ground well and has an excellent skillset and could push forward or back and take a mark so as a relief ruckman given his height he would also be sufficient in that role. He also has the attributes to become a very good key defender and swing back if required because he reads the flight so well and as a result with his marking ability can take intercept marks, so if the situation requires it, that’s something he can certainly do if required. Through the ruck though I feel Schache will struggle at AFL level, he isn’t 200cm+ or a particularly good leaper. He has the endurance so as a ruckman he could find the ball around the ground and he could certainly push forward or back and take some marks, and probably follow up reasonably well at ground level and win some ground ball at times, making good decisions when he does win it, but none the less it’s not something I’d be personally comfortable with, and something I hope he isn’t pushed into doing as someone who certainly looks best suited as a forward.
Questionmarks:
Athleticism – Schache is only an average athlete overall. His endurance is an excellent by position. Outside of endurance, Schache has good agility by position as a fluid mover for someone at his height and is able to change directions fine which are further positives. Schache is not extremely explosive over shorter distances though he can at times create separation on the lead due to his sheer work rate and working his guys over. Additionally his leaping ability although he is able to leap and take marks, his limited leaping ability will to some extent limit him slightly in terms of marking ability in the air but more so from the standpoint that it will likely limit his ability to play minutes through the ruck, not that I’d necessarily want to see him in the ruck anyway with Schache a natural key forward.
Weaknesses:
Tackling and pressure game – The relative weakness with Schache is in his tackling and pressure game. His tackle per game numbers are low, and his chasing and tackling effort by position are below average and will require further growth and should be much better for someone with his motor.
Dominance – Schache while he is good at a lot of things and a particularly impressive kick with excellent height but he doesn’t have one point of difference that makes me see him as an out and out star, and other than through the u18 championships where Schache played some really impressive footy, the rest of his season was good without being great and given this he most probably will only be a very good but not great key forward.
Summary:
Schache has the ability to be a 200 gamer and has the ability to develop into one of the better young key forwards in the game if things go right. Schache I expect will take a few seasons to develop and likely around season three or four come into his own and be a key piece to build around.
Height: 199cm, Weight: 96kg, DOB: 21/08/1997
Recruited from: Murray Bushrangers
Reminds me of: A less dominant Tom Lynch (Gold Coast version)/a taller, better Jay Schulz
Best position/role: Centre Half Forward with ability to play Full Forward.
Strength:
Footskills – Schache is an excellent kick of the footy. He has 50-55m of penetration but critically is a precision kick over all distances. In front of goal Schache is reliable whether he is attempting set shots or shots at goal from general play. He consistently hits his targets around the ground over a variety of distances. He has composure with ball in hand consistently making the right decisions. He lowers his eyes and at the right times and is unselfish and will hit the targets inside 50 in better positions to more easily convert. Schache overall has the ability to become one of the best general kicking big men in the game.
Vision – Schache does well to spot meaningful targets up the field or inside 50 and has the footskills to execute these kicks. He demonstrates at times an unselfishness to his game and will consistently lower his eyes and find short – medium distance targets rather than just kick long for the sake of kicking long, in order to find a meaningful target.
Decision making – Schache makes good decisions with ball in hand. He will take his time with ball in hand, make the right decision, and execute by hand or foot to his target.
Set shot goalkicking – Schache is an ultra-reliable set shot goalkicker and can be relied on in front of goal to consistently convert. He can convert consistently from a variety of distances, variety of angles and has for him what is a reliable set shot routine.
Endurance – Schache is only an average athlete by position, but where his real strength lies athletically is in his endurance. Schache is an excellent endurance running key forward and covers the ground as well as any key forward in this draft over the course of four quarters. He will go on his leads up the ground, and will work opposition key defenders over with his endurance superiority.
Marking ability – Schache is a strong mark overhead. He marks near the highest point consistently and is a one grab mark overhead. He can be at times a threatening contested mark but also will take his share of marks on the lead, and he shows a willingness at times to lead up as far as a wing to get some marks. If required Schache can push back into the back half to take intercept marks with his ability to read the flight also excellent.
Contested marking – Schache is not a dominant but still capable if not good contested mark. He can win some 1v1 marking contests and take some strong pack marks. In 1v1 contests he demonstrates excellent ability to read the flight and uses his body well in the contest to take 1v1 marks. Similarly in pack situations Schache is aided by his superior ability to read and get to the drop of the ball for best position, and has the height and strength of marking overhead to take the grab. Overall as a marking thread I consider Schache more finesse than power stylistically, though still effective.
Ability to read the flight – Schache reads the flight of the ball very well. He gets to the drop of the ball consistently and rarely if ever caught out of position in a marking contest. He also while he does not usually play in defence, also has the ability behind the play to take intercept marks.
Ground level ability – Schache has excellent co-ordination below his knees for a key forward. He picks the ball up relatively cleanly off the deck and does not normally fumble when collecting the ground balls. So he is more than just a marking forward and has the blend of marking and ground level ability.
Ability to keep his feet – Schache has a real balance to him and in the contest he consistently keeps his feet and rarely goes to ground which makes him a real threat when the ball hits the deck and he only has the one defender to beat, with his strength and ability to win the ground ball.
Size and strength – Schache is a tall key forward and also has good size and strength to him for his age. He has good strength through the legs for his age to stand up in 1v1 contests and in pack situations he has reasonably good strength overhead but also excellent bodywork to allow him to take his share of contested marks with regularity. Schache has small looking arms and small shoulders which may mean that he does not develop into a beast of a contested marking target, but he should still be more than strong enough to have an impact.
Ability to play multiple positions – Schache while best suited as a key forward also has the ability to be a plausible relief ruckman at AFL level. His limitation through the ruck is a lack of leaping ability or that real towering strength so he won’t win many hitouts but he covers the ground well and has an excellent skillset and could push forward or back and take a mark so as a relief ruckman given his height he would also be sufficient in that role. He also has the attributes to become a very good key defender and swing back if required because he reads the flight so well and as a result with his marking ability can take intercept marks, so if the situation requires it, that’s something he can certainly do if required. Through the ruck though I feel Schache will struggle at AFL level, he isn’t 200cm+ or a particularly good leaper. He has the endurance so as a ruckman he could find the ball around the ground and he could certainly push forward or back and take some marks, and probably follow up reasonably well at ground level and win some ground ball at times, making good decisions when he does win it, but none the less it’s not something I’d be personally comfortable with, and something I hope he isn’t pushed into doing as someone who certainly looks best suited as a forward.
Questionmarks:
Athleticism – Schache is only an average athlete overall. His endurance is an excellent by position. Outside of endurance, Schache has good agility by position as a fluid mover for someone at his height and is able to change directions fine which are further positives. Schache is not extremely explosive over shorter distances though he can at times create separation on the lead due to his sheer work rate and working his guys over. Additionally his leaping ability although he is able to leap and take marks, his limited leaping ability will to some extent limit him slightly in terms of marking ability in the air but more so from the standpoint that it will likely limit his ability to play minutes through the ruck, not that I’d necessarily want to see him in the ruck anyway with Schache a natural key forward.
Weaknesses:
Tackling and pressure game – The relative weakness with Schache is in his tackling and pressure game. His tackle per game numbers are low, and his chasing and tackling effort by position are below average and will require further growth and should be much better for someone with his motor.
Dominance – Schache while he is good at a lot of things and a particularly impressive kick with excellent height but he doesn’t have one point of difference that makes me see him as an out and out star, and other than through the u18 championships where Schache played some really impressive footy, the rest of his season was good without being great and given this he most probably will only be a very good but not great key forward.
Summary:
Schache has the ability to be a 200 gamer and has the ability to develop into one of the better young key forwards in the game if things go right. Schache I expect will take a few seasons to develop and likely around season three or four come into his own and be a key piece to build around.
Igloo
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Is it me? Because if we do have one they're doing about as good a job as I would in teaching a KPF how to play.
I know you mean Hansen, but we need a specialist coach. Just for the key forwards. Not just a general forwards coach. Other clubs line them up, with our horrendous record with key forwards I think it's about time we invested in one.
