Weslsh and Hudson

[*PAF]

Hudson was fantastic actually, and thanks for asking.

Welsh had a very quiet night. Was soundly beaten in poor conditions.

Ended up in the back lines.

It didn't rain at all during the game but the ground was wet. Wasn't overly hot for the locals but would have been hot for the players plus it was very humid and the ball would have been slippery as. Couple that with rusty players plus nubies and it made it a very very scrappy type of game.

 

[Eastern Crow]

Huddo will always be a competitive ruckman, however will never be top shelf like a Cox

Maric's upside, he has the capability to develop into a top shelf ruckman

Welsh, he will kick 30-40 goals this year, the WB do play plenty of games ar TD, Welsh is a fast track bully

However, seeing NC reveal his forward line plan, Welsh would of upset that plan / balance.

Burton and Goody will play the Welsh type of role, we will get 40-50 goals from this combination

 

[Crows Feet]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

I think it was a good move by the club. Welsh had off field issues and was injury prone - time to move him on.

Lets face it, for the next couple of years we are going to be developing young players so moving Hudson on effectively allows youngsters such as Maric, Griffen, Tippett, Moran maximum gametime. Keeping Hudson would restrict the development of our young ruckman and its not as though we will be vying for a premiership in the next 4 or so years. Hudson will be in retirement the next time we are a genuine chance at a flag. Hudson was a good ruckman, but not great. I'm sure if he was Shaun Rehn he would have been offered a longer contract.

My only gripe was again how easily we rolled over at the trade table. The picks we got for Mattner, Meesen and Hudson were pathetic.

What you need to do is ignore the actual trades and look at them from a different perspective. In my eyes, we traded Mattner for Symes and Meesen for Moran. We moved Hudson along to allow the development of our young rucks and we picked up some quality talent in the draft. Win - win. Our only true loss was the retirement of Roo.

 

[Mismatched]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

What you need to do is ignore the actual trades and look at them from a different perspective. In my eyes, we traded Mattner for Symes and Meesen for Moran. We moved Hudson along to allow the development of our young rucks and we picked up some quality talent in the draft. Win - win. Our only true loss was the retirement of Roo.

I'd also add the loss of Welsh for nothing was big as well, we could have got another 2nd rounder at least for welsh, other than that though, we did alright, Moran has shown more than Meesen and in Symes we will probably break even, with the potential of doing even better.

 

[FlyingCrow]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Has a player ever left our club and had success???

Sean Wellman, is the only one I can think of.

 

[hey shorty]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Has a player ever left our club and had success???

Sean Wellman, is the only one I can think of.

Initially Kane Johnson did as a player, not so much as a team. Tyson Stenglein has had some pretty good times back west too. Jason McCartney is another. Theres probably some others I have missed but conversely we've done pretty well with players from other clubs.

 

[Mismatched]

Modra had one 70+ goal season at Freo, Vardy was never the same, but still played a fair few matches. We'd definitely be ahead in trading terms though.

 

[Bruce the Great]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

What you need to do is ignore the actual trades and look at them from a different perspective. In my eyes, we traded Mattner for Symes and Meesen for Moran. We moved Hudson along to allow the development of our young rucks and we picked up some quality talent in the draft. Win - win. Our only true loss was the retirement of Roo.

You cant say losing huddo for a 2nd or 3rd rounder or whatever it was is win-win. Its good bringing in some young talent but you want to get good value for the players you lose too!

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Marty Mattner running a muck now that he's been let off the leash at Sydney.

Who woulda thought...

Edit: At half time he is leading Inside 50's, coming 2nd in rebound 50's, leading uncontested possessions, 2nd in effective kicks, ranked best on ground atm by Champion and has equal first most tackles on the ground.

 

[hey shorty]

Having an absolute field day playing more of an attacking role.

 

[FlyingCrow]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Gonna miss him...But at Adelaide he struggled to make the 8. Good luck to him though.

With luck Symes will be the player we need.

 

[Dogga79]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Marty Mattner running a muck now that he's been let off the leash at Sydney.

Who woulda thought...

Edit: At half time he is leading Inside 50's, coming 2nd in rebound 50's, leading uncontested possessions, 2nd in effective kicks, ranked best on ground atm by Champion and has equal first most tackles on the ground.

Sill the same tunnel vision, still the same turnovers and still getting caught holding the ball. Same Mattner different season and different club.

Playing out of the backlines as well. Same as where the crows played him.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Has a player ever left our club and had success???

Sean Wellman, is the only one I can think of.

Tyson Stenglein. Brenton Sanderson had a pretty good career. Plenty have done nothing though.

 

[FlyingCrow]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Yeah Stenglein slipped my mind whe I posted...Sanderson...meh

 

[Eastern Crow]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Yeah Stenglein slipped my mind whe I posted...Sanderson...meh

Kane Johnson

 

[Eastern Crow]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Kane Johnson

Jason McCartney and Anthony Ingerson,

 

[hey shorty]

I mentioned all those guys, even Rehny was handy for Hawthorn. I remember Peter Vardy nearly pinching that final against us for Melbourne at the G a few years back.

 

[Eastern Crow]

I mentioned all those guys, even Rehny was handy for Hawthorn. I remember Peter Vardy nearly pinching that final against us for Melbourne at the G a few years back.

Handy, however, not really a strong career outside of Adelaide

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Marty Mattner running a muck now that he's been let off the leash at Sydney.

Who woulda thought...

Edit: At half time he is leading Inside 50's, coming 2nd in rebound 50's, leading uncontested possessions, 2nd in effective kicks, ranked best on ground atm by Champion and has equal first most tackles on the ground.

Hang on - wasn't he being played off the HBF?? Seems to me everyone said Sydney would play him on the wing where Craig should have. Seems to me they are playing him where Craig did. Who woulda thought....

 

[Jars458]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Sill the same tunnel vision, still the same turnovers and still getting caught holding the ball. Same Mattner different season and different club.

Playing out of the backlines as well. Same as where the crows played him.

Had to laugh at an article in the Weekend Australian by Jenny McAsey which stalked about how the Swans had revamped themselves and the end result was Marty Mattner!! What a joke. All players up for trade and they ended up losing Dempster and Schneider and gaining Mattner. Nothing wrong with limited chagnes per se its just the slant of the article was the Swans are now refershed.

Marty will be a good player for them but his limitations will stil be his limitaitons.

 

[J-Ro-20]

who cares really. id rather watch synthetic grass grow

 

[cocka]

Re: Welsh and Hudson

Has a player ever left our club and had success???

Sean Wellman, is the only one I can think of.

I guess you are asking, which crows players have played their best footy with another club after leaving the crows ....

As mentioned previously, IMO Stenglein, Wellman, Sanderson, McCartney.

 

[mb2326]

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster. Initially I felt Huddo and Welsh were traitors for the way they treated the AFC but I guess the truth of the matter is that football is now a business rather than a community based team sport. You only have to look at how the AFC treated Ben Hart and Jason Torney to know that the club sees it as a business. With that perspective, I can't really see a problem with Huddo and Welshy leaving the AFC if they couldn't get a deal that suited them. You know that the AFC would trade any player if it could pick up somebody better, regardless of their service to the club. It's kind of sad but seems to be the way of footy nowadays. The club can't expect loyalty from its players if it isn't willing to show the same sort of loyalty to the players. Salary caps and limits on the numbers of players you can have on a list put paid to any ideas of the club behaving like a club and forces it to make business decisions. I have no doubt Ben Hart and Jason Torney would not have been sacked they way they were if there wasn't a limit on players on the list. But the AFC has to adapt to the rules of the AFL and I guess the players do too.

Great post, it makes a mockery of the pathetic morons on here calling welsh a dog and wishing he gets knocked out in Rd 1.

After what happened to Torney he had no option but to leave. And its THE CROWS FAULT for being to arrogant and not finalising a contract for Welsh before the trade period that he left. I say good on Scott Welsh for leaving even if it was for more money, everyone on this board would have done the same thing with regards to their current employment and they are liars if they say the wouldn't.

And for those of you who are going to boo Welsh next time he plays here, if he was such a good player that you miss you should be booing Neil Craig and John Reid for not finalising a contract and keeping a supposed required player.

 

[KUNG FU]

I don't miss either player. We could have used Hudson this year, but he's never going to win a premiership with us, so game time is better invested in Maric and Griffin. Welsh was always a mediocre forward in a mediocre forward line. He can kick straight, but he never gets the ball in the first place. Both are at the end of their careers, arguable could have less than a season of footy left in them with their injury concerns and I think the club did well to hold their ground. They also did very well to convince the Dogs that they were so important to them as to offer 2 and 3 year contracts. Good for them I guess. Probably helps them in 2008, but could be huge liabilities in 2009 and onwards.

I'm more concerned about losing Pfeiffer and Meesen - prospective top notch 10 year players given up way too easily. I think both of them were impressive on the weekend that the Dogs - although both with their previously acknowledged shortcomings.

 

[Mismatched]

I don't miss either player. We could have used Hudson this year, but he's never going to win a premiership with us, so game time is better invested in Maric and Griffin. Welsh was always a mediocre forward in a mediocre forward line. He can kick straight, but he never gets the ball in the first place. Both are at the end of their careers, arguable could have less than a season of footy left in them with their injury concerns and I think the club did well to hold their ground. They also did very well to convince the Dogs that they were so important to them as to offer 2 and 3 year contracts. Good for them I guess. Probably helps them in 2008, but could be huge liabilities in 2009 and onwards.

I'm more concerned about losing Pfeiffer and Meesen - prospective top notch 10 year players given up way too easily. I think both of them were impressive on the weekend that the Dogs - although both with their previously acknowledged shortcomings.

Agree with you here Kung Fu, Welsh and Hudson, all they would be doing is taking the spots of players like Tippet, Sellar, Griffen, Moran etc. blokes who will now get decent game time. This forces us to play these youngsters, whilst it is sad to see these blokes go, I got over it pretty quick.

The ones that could possibly hurt are Meesen and Pfeiffer, we paid a hefty price for them, and in return have got 2 h&a games and Brad Moran. Now I'm happy with Moran for Meesen, but I would have thought that we could have gotten something for Pfeiffer, he went at #2 in the PSD, so you would have thought there to be some interest come trade week. It may not have been heaps but even a 3rd rounder, or used to upgrade the Meesen, Hudson or Mattner deals to better picks would have given some benefit.

One thing that may have happened, is the Crows saw the WC debacle, saw that there was a possibility the club might follow a similar path and decided to stamp its foot down. As petty as their miss-demenours may have been, Welsh, Hudson, Pfeiffer and Meesen (rightly or wrongly, I can't say) all had questionable characters, be it on or off the field. Now to the players left on the list, this would say, "make sure your act's been cleaned up, otherwise your out". So if the blokes on our list have any desire to play a decent amount of footy for our club, they will work hard to do so and know that it just won't happen.