West Coast Eagles Priority Pick (2024)

[bzparkes]

Because if the basis of it is that a club has only had 3 top 10 picks in a decade, then there are a few very successful clubs that would qualify. Pretty sure Geelong would for example.

Well, Geelong were allowed to purchase pick 7 from GC for freeing up cap space.

If that rule gets made available to all clubs then that would go a long way to helping clubs find other avenues to build their team.

Currently, if you're a club west of the Vic border, you don't have many avenues to attract talent outside of the draft, other than massively overpaying to bring home players if they want to return. Most WA players seem very content to stay over East, because they know that in all likelihood they have to move to begin with.

If only it were the same for Vic players...

 

[The 747]

Well, Geelong were allowed to purchase pick 7 from GC for freeing up cap space.

If that rule gets made available to all clubs then that would go a long way to helping clubs find other avenues to build their team.

Currently, if you're a club west of the Vic border, you don't have many avenues to attract talent outside of the draft, other than massively overpaying to bring home players if they want to return. Most WA players seem very content to stay over East, because they know that in all likelihood they have to move to begin with.

If only it were the same for Vic players...

Other clubs can do the same sort of deals, it's not a Geelong specific rule.

"Massively overpaying" when you have only one other club in the state and an agreement to not chase the same players.

 

[Liam Boy]

North refused to do any of that, abysmally managed their rebuild/coaching appointments and went cap in hand to the AFL for 3 years running, the last of which coincided with a former North employee deciding on the assistance package, which is a massive conflict of interest.

"Refused to split our first rounder" except for the time we split Pick 1 to get picks 2 and 3. Do you remember that deal for Sheezel and Wardlaw? We took Sheezel with your pick, it wasn't very long ago. A former North employee decided on our assistance package that time too. Brad Scott gave us 2 nothing picks we were forced to trade, then immediately went to Essendon. Is that a conflict of interest?

 

[Malifice]

They set the standard of shitness required when they gave Gold Coast and Carlton priority picks, and West coast certainly seem to match that.

We were as bad but for longer. We were where the Eagles were for over 5 full years ('15 to '20) and all we got was access to a mature aged SANFL player and a packet of chips.

Of course we did rort the shit out of the previous system at the turn of the century a decade earlier, but even then those picks really just made up for the AFL stripping picks 1, 1, 3 and 18 off us for the salary cap breaches at the turn of the century.

 

[bzparkes]

"Refused to split our first rounder" except for the time we split Pick 1 to get picks 2 and 3. Do you remember that deal for Sheezel and Wardlaw? We took Sheezel with your pick, it wasn't very long ago. A former North employee decided on our assistance package that time too. Brad Scott gave us 2 nothing picks we were forced to trade, then immediately went to Essendon. Is that a conflict of interest?

Context matters.

I said you refused to split, until your hand was forced by JHF.

North got those 2 picks from Scott, after already asking for assistance from being bottom 2 for 2 years the year before and being denied.

If 3 years in the bottom 2 is good enough for North to get 2 picks they had to trade away, then it's good enough for WCE.

 

[bzparkes]

Other clubs can do the same sort of deals, it's not a Geelong specific rule.

Well, they can't unless said player agrees to go.

If it's freed up where it's simply cap space and no players involved, then game on I say.

"Massively overpaying" when you have only one other club in the state and an agreement to not chase the same players.

That went out the window when Freo tried to involve themselves in the Kelly trade.

 

[The 747]

Well, they can't unless said player agrees to go.

If it's freed up where it's simply cap space and no players involved, then game on I say.



That went out the window when Freo tried to involve themselves in the Kelly trade.

OK, I'll leave this one since we are not communicating well. Cheers

 

[Liam Boy]

Context matters.

I said you refused to split, until your hand was forced by JHF.

North got those 2 picks from Scott, after already asking for assistance from being bottom 2 for 2 years the year before and being denied.

If 3 years in the bottom 2 is good enough for North to get 2 picks they had to trade away, then it's good enough for WCE.

Sure, I'd be happy for West Coast to get that deal.

What we ended up getting for JHF is objectively better than any of the offers we were given for pick 1. Taking him and then capitalising massively on his desire to leave ended up being the best move.

 

[Catastrophe!]

When will this priority pick BS end? There's always going to be sh*t teams. It's absurd how long this has gone on for. North supporters ad nauseam going 'well we deserve it as all these others have got it in the past'...and so it continues. There's always going to be a past precedent, unless we stop comparing things and going 'oh but what about us?'

West Coast won a flag 6 years ago, have participated in 4 Grand Finals in the 21st century, and won 2 flags from those 4. Carlton haven't won/participated since 1995. Essendon haven't done a thing in the 21st century. Freo have never won a flag, and Saints haven't won one since 1966?

I just, I seriously don't get how this is ever going to end. Stop comparing situations from 20 years ago, 5 years ago or 1 year ago, and just abolish this system in totality. It does not work. Could you imagine if Hawks, Tigers, Swans or Cats ever came calling with hat out because they were in the doldrums for an extended time? Would be absolute BS, as that's equalisation at work.

North played in Prelims, gutted their list, now they get a bunch of picks. West Coast play in and win flags, get injuries and avoid the draft too long/retain veterans too long, now they need picks too?

We're not talking decades here, we're talking 2 and a bit seasons of being shit, and now 'here, have a PP.' They played Finals in 2020 and finished 9th in 2021. It's insanity. Honestly, what we should do if this is the case, is just revert back to something akin to the old system and hand them out every time a team finishes Bottom 2 for 3 consecutive years, and always make it an end of first. Protect the first round by getting rid of this shit, along with NGA, F/S and Academy picks in the first round, and help 'struggling' clubs with an extra pick when they've adhered to this.

If West Coast are getting a PP, everyone should be asking for one. They're the 6th most successful club of the 21st century...who played Finals 3 years ago. Seriously, the whole thing is just a joke now.

 

[bzparkes]

OK, I'll leave this one since we are not communicating well. Cheers

Ok, my point is I understand it's not a 'Geelong' specific rule but they were allowed to take full advantage of it.

Good on them, personally I don't really have much of an issue with it, other than to highlight GC's diabolical list management and still have access to the cream of the crop.

What it should do is act as a precursor to pick purchasing because, due to the ridiculously compromised nature of the draft, clubs at the bottom with cap space to burn should be allowed to offer said space to contending clubs feeling the pinch.

 

[HairyO]

Hmm, unsurprising to see the expected supporter groups against it.

If the draft wasn't as heavily compromised as it is, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Instead, we have North receiving picks like candy, despite having the most top 10 picks of any club at the time, as well as refusing to split first rounders unless necessary(JHF trade).

North did everything they could to game the system and asked for assistance 3 years running.

They also would continue to be dropped up by the AFL to ensure the guaranteed amount of games were broadcast for TV rights, as Duff said

North were already past the point of needing priority assistance when they actually received it.

Also, how many close games did they 'lose' last year?

WCE have won 5 of the last 43, for an average losing margin of around 10 goals.

North don't come close to that over the past couple of years.

If North can qualify for assistance with the amount of high draft picks they'd already had, WCE can get some kind of package for only having 3 top 10 picks in over a decade...

Send some shit FA to the Bombers and get pick 3 for nothing.

 

[bzparkes]

When will this priority pick BS end? There's always going to be sh*t teams. It's absurd how long this has gone on for. North supporters ad nauseam going 'well we deserve it as all these others have got it in the past'...and so it continues. There's always going to be a past precedent, unless we stop comparing things and going 'oh but what about us?'

West Coast won a flag 6 years ago, have participated in 4 Grand Finals in the 21st century, and won 2 flags from those 4. Carlton haven't won/participated since 1995. Essendon haven't done a thing in the 21st century. Freo have never won a flag, and Saints haven't won one since 1966?

I just, I seriously don't get how this is ever going to end. Stop comparing situations from 20 years ago, 5 years ago or 1 year ago, and just abolish this system in totality. It does not work. Could you imagine if Hawks, Tigers, Swans or Cats ever came calling with hat out because they were in the doldrums for an extended time? Would be absolute BS, as that's equalisation at work.

North played in Prelims, gutted their list, now they get a bunch of picks. West Coast play in and win flags, get injuries and avoid the draft too long/retain veterans too long, now they need picks too?

We're not talking decades here, we're talking 2 and a bit seasons of being s**t, and now 'here, have a PP.' They played Finals in 2020 and finished 9th in 2021. It's insanity. Honestly, what we should do if this is the case, is just revert back to something akin to the old system and hand them out every time a team finishes Bottom 2 for 3 consecutive years, and always make it an end of first. Protect the first round by getting rid of this s**t, along with NGA, F/S and Academy picks in the first round, and help 'struggling' clubs with an extra pick when they've adhered to this.

If West Coast are getting a PP, everyone should be asking for one. They're the 6th most successful club of the 21st century...who played Finals 3 years ago. Seriously, the whole thing is just a joke now.

A big rant to completely miss the point.

If the draft wasn't as heavily compromised as it currently is(academy and father son picks getting discounts, for instance) then this wouldn't even be a conversation.

As it stands, there isn't a level playing field when it comes to player acquisition in the AFL.

 

[bzparkes]

Send some s**t FA to the Bombers and get pick 3 for nothing.

Good point, wonder if we can convince them to take Gaff on a 1-year contract for $1.5M that we pay for?

 

[Eshay187]

When you see Northern academies using junk picks for top talent, it might as well be.

Tell you what, no PP for WCE and the Northern academies have to play by the same rules as everyone else this year. That way our first pick in the second round will be close to where it's supposed to be.

People know it’s basically just father son right? People forget that McDonald was a standard pick, and Gulden was pick 34 - you all could have taken him.

 

[bzparkes]

People know it’s basically just father son right? People forget that McDonald was a standard pick, and Gulden was pick 34 - you all could have taken him.

GC's draft last year is what really highlight it.

Also, I'm not much across the Gulden thing but wouldn't Sydney have just matched a bid?

 

[Purple Suit]

Thread title is incorrect

WC hasn't actually asked for any picks, a journo has written an article saying they should ask

But if we're an historically bad team with no hope in the near future as a lot of commentators continually remind us, it's hard to also argue we don't deserve some sort of compo given what happened last year

Except you won a flag 6 years ago and it was your own doing for over rating your list and trying to top up. It wasn't just the drafts of 2019-20 that have done you in, but the five years before that.

North went 13 years since their last flag till they got assistance. In an 18 team comp, 6 six simply isn't long enough even if it will take another 5 years for the assistance to impact.

 

[bzparkes]

Except you won a flag 6 years ago and it was your own doing for over rating your list and trying to top up. It wasn't just the drafts of 2019-20 that have done you in, but the five years before that.

North went 13 years since their last flag till they got assistance. In an 18 team comp, 6 six simply isn't long enough even if it will take another 5 years for the assistance to impact.

They finished 9th the year we won the flag. It's not like they were anchored to the bottom.

If you're going to say WCE don't 'deserve' a pick due to decision making, then neither did North.

 

[Sphynx]

The irony being West Coast do currently have a priority pick in their best 22

 

[Purple Suit]

They finished 9th the year we won the flag. It's not like they were anchored to the bottom.

If you're going to say WCE don't 'deserve' a pick due to decision making, then neither did North.

Of course they didn't but the AFL handed it out based on their hidden formula. Still hidden so clubs don't deliberately tank.

North played finals in 2016. They were hopeless in 2017 with six wins and hovered around the bottom 10 till 2020 when they were terrible for three seasons before getting a tiny bit of assistance. 2023 was the mother lode of assistance packages after 4 years of bad results.

WC are going to be terrible for three seasons but that is off the back of 1 season out of the finals. They simiply need to wait longer for the integrity of the whole competition. They need to be the example for the whole competition to not chase another flag too hard and no one will come and help you out. Carlton, Essendon both got hammered by the AFL for cheating and were never bailed out with extra assistance, WC now needs to stop looking for hand outs and get themselves out of the mess they made.

They have never won a flag without a priority pick though so I can see why they will be asking for one straight away.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I think most would be fine with that, considering that's what North got for being in the exact same situation, as well as Carlton, who weren't nearly as bad.

Carlton won 2 games in a season (after years of shitness) and got the rights to trade Shane McAdam. I don’t think we should be lumped in with the begballers. We have rebuilt the hard way.

 

[bzparkes]

Carlton won 2 games in a season (after years of shitness) and got the rights to trade Shane McAdam. I don’t think we should be lumped in with the begballers. We have rebuilt the hard way.

Yes and your club won more games in the previous year than WCE have in 2 seasons.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Yes and your club won more games in the previous year than WCE have in 2 seasons.

Based on current precedent I don’t disagree with WCE getting assitance if their season plays out as we all expect it will.

I just didn’t like you grouping us with the Shinbeggars.

 

[Hojuman]

Carlton won 2 games in a season (after years of shitness) and got the rights to trade Shane McAdam. I don’t think we should be lumped in with the begballers. We have rebuilt the hard way.

2003 - Andrew Walker pick 2
2005 - Marc Murphy pick 1
2006 - Shaun Hampson pick 17
2007 - Matthew Kreuzer pick 1

Priority Draft Picks x 4 !

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

2003 - Andrew Walker pick 2
2005 - Marc Murphy pick 1
2006 - Shaun Hampson pick 17
2007 - Matthew Kreuzer pick 1

Priority Draft Picks x 4 !

All earned, none begged for

 

[Catastrophe!]

A big rant to completely miss the point.

If the draft wasn't as heavily compromised as it currently is(academy and father son picks getting discounts, for instance) then this wouldn't even be a conversation.

As it stands, there isn't a level playing field when it comes to player acquisition in the AFL.

So let's * it up even more? No you've missed the point. You don't deserve access to players, when you made Finals not 3 years ago, and won a flag 6 years ago. What kind of precedent does that set?