What are the club's 'values and standards'?

[Southerntakeover]

Adam Kelly made reference to the club's values and standards this week.

What are they? I don't think I've ever heard them articulated, other than in vague references. Does anyone know? Is there a list.

Rachelle says one of our values is 'prioritising others'. What in the blue hell is that? Why is that the desirable trait of a team of elite athletes?

And how can we possibly say, if that is a standard, that we uphold it when we have senior players allowed to continue playing who make no defensive effort, and who focus their games on handball receives rather than protecting team mates?

 

[Southerntakeover]

As an example, the Philadelphia Eagles under Nick Sirianni articulated early their five core values. They were: connect, compete, accountability, fundamentals, and football IQ.

Obviously those must get expanded on somewhat to be understood, but are these things that we value? Competition (and the best prevailing)? Fundamentals and footballing intelligence?

Or are our values just more and more a double down on the idea that the best team will beat better players (despite it not having any signs of ever succeeding on field), and we just need to all be selfless and treat players as equal?

 

[crows dude]

Prioritizing others is another way of saying Team First. Goes right back to Walshy's number one non-negotiable of team first and each coach since Pykey and then Nicks have had to have that same value.

 

[pjcrows]

"Prioritising others" is corporate jargon (not saying its not of value or a not good thing at times) and used when culture is sh*t. Such as division within a group, selfishness, cliques etc. It's a base expectation for behaviour.

Back in 2019-20, post-Pyke/Burton/Camp, fine. Feeling nice again. Fresh.

Five years and four drafts later and you're using it because you're still one of the worst 4 teams? Get real. This is elite sport.

There's fewer more counter-productive things in an organisation than "do as I say, not as I do" leaders. It might work in office spaces, or clock-in clock-out industries. But in pro sport, they get found out quickly.

I guess what I'm saying is Nicks has served his purpose and it's beyond time to move on.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Prioritizing others is another way of saying Team First. Goes right back to Walshy's number one non-negotiable of team first and each coach since Pykey and then Nicks have had to have that same value.

It's not though. They're different statements entirely.

Prioritising the success of the team involves doing what gives the team the best chance of success. Which for good players is very often, you know, being good.

Prioritising others means that your best players should focus on inferior players. It's absolutely not the right mentality to achieve success.

 

[Pugsley]

Just have an absentee note for Nicksy if you can't make it to training.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Isn't this a key part of the problem though?

We're expected to accept that they're forced to take action to build a culture around team values, and we have absolutely no idea what those values are and even less reason to think that the values have been set correctly to set us up for success?

 

[hugecannon]

The reality is our values from the board through to the coaches is to be be completely insular and protect themselves and each other from scrutiny and accountability.

Any actual onfield success is a bonus, but the priority is to keep them snouts in the trough for as long as possible.

 

[DukeX]

Let's compare the Crows to the Hawks at the moment:
Both young lists that have been going thru recent rebuilds, both with (some) exciting players.
Now look at how both teams are playing: Crows playing (mostly) slow, stagnant footy, catering to the more senior player styles. Hawks playing fas, t sharp football, catering to their younger players coming through.
Now their actions: Hawks players showing they are having a great time post-games, elaborate goal celebrations, senior players not kicking up a fuss when not named in preferred positions/in the team, players overtly celebrating and antagonising their former team's fans (and the media absolutely lapping it up). Compared to the Crows, only giving young guys and opportunity due to injuries, and senior players reportedly sooking it up when unnamed or moved positions because of it, zero selection integrity, with young players getting dropped after an off game, but senior players getting a free pass after multiple poor games, dropping young players for banter and goal celebrations.
Hawthorn look like a far more cohesive club than the Crows at the moment, both on and off the field.
Considering Hawthorn are doing things differently than us, especially with their younger players, does this suggest Hawthorn are not a team first club, or that we are more of a team first club than them?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Core standard is we are comfortable being mediocre.

Honestly these things are waffle any way.

What matters is having quality people in key roles & the organisation will likely be successful. Unfortunately we have done the opposite which is why we are unsuccessful.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Core standard is we are comfortable being mediocre.

Honestly these things are waffle any way.

What matters is having quality people in key roles & the organisation will likely be successful. Unfortunately we have done the opposite which is why we are unsuccessful.

If it's being used to determine selection, which it apparently is, it's not exactly waffle.

 

[Cap]

• doing what the AFL tell them
• not rocking the boat
• punishing uniqueness
• providing employment opportunities for ex players
• providing the AFL a team to make an example out of
• Keeps additional list spots to develop players for other clubs
• Providing TV revenue because they know we are all stupid enough to keep rocking up

Can't think of anything else right now

 

[Southerntakeover]

I mean, it's an indictment on the quality of the sports beat writers in this country that noone asked that as a follow up of the club.

 

[Cap]

I mean, it's an indictment on the quality of the sports beat writers in this country that noone asked that as a follow up of the club.

We are an irrelevant club why would they.

We are now more like St Kilda than anyone else

 

[Samcro24]

It’s clearly:

Effort
Continuity
Tenure
Conservatism
Impunity

 

[Geoffa32]

It certainly isn't to stand up when the game is on the line.

Lachie Murphy, always goes missing then and is a club leader....

 

[Southerntakeover]

We are an irrelevant club why would they.

We are now more like St Kilda than anyone else

We weren't irrelevant. They wrote the damn stories on Rachele, they just didn't do it competently.

 

[Cap]

We weren't irrelevant. They wrote the damn stories on Rachele, they just didn't do it competently.

They got the easy clicks our incompetent club gave them.

They'll just wait for the next embarrassing event to happen with no effort needed

 

[1970crow]

Adam Kelly made reference to the club's values and standards this week.

What are they? I don't think I've ever heard them articulated, other than in vague references. Does anyone know? Is there a list.

Rachelle says one of our values is 'prioritising others'. What in the blue hell is that? Why is that the desirable trait of a team of elite athletes?

And how can we possibly say, if that is a standard, that we uphold it when we have senior players allowed to continue playing who make no defensive effort, and who focus their games on handball receives rather than protecting team mates?

We're just a corporate entity. Inclusivity is at least as important as genuine success.