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Scotland said:
Who is above the CEO? Are the board doing trade week now?

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Time will reveal true trade outcome

The full picture of this trade and draft period won't become clearer for several years
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"The full picture of this trade and draft period won't become clearer for several years"

Ah, no. If pick 12 turns out to be a superstar that does not justify trading down from pick 3.
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True.

However it also depends on who they draft with tthe Barrass picks.

Do they potentially use them or some of them to trade back into the 2024 draft.

The Baker trade Eagles paid overs.

The Barrass trade Hawks paid overs.

Swings and roundabouts.
 
Obeanie1 said:
True.

However it also depends on who they draft with tthe Barrass picks.

Do they potentially use them or some of them to trade back into the 2024 draft.

The Baker trade Eagles paid overs.

The Barrass trade Hawks paid overs.

Swings and roundabouts.
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So what you are saying is we can get pick 3 this year for the Hawks future picks.

Happy days 🥳
 
Obeanie1 said:
Did we come up with the ability to read?

No.

We just assume people can before they respond. Unfortunatley that isnt always the case.

And what is the issue, its 100% factual what the Hawks paid for Barress. The Hawks first three rounds of their 2025 draft hand before trade period commenced. With a F4th going back. A significant investment yes. Pretty much the entire draft hand each club gets issued each year depending on its ladder finishing position.

That was the deal, yes?

We are discussing the Barrass trade. Not what other pick swaps the Hawks did in other trades.
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Sigh....

Do you have the ability to read?

No.

Does Hawthorn have a hand of draft picks for next year?

Yes.

You can split hairs all day, but your argument remains redundant.
 

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Suma Says said:
2) Lawson Humphries. How can a kid who came through your academy look like a star at another team a couple of years later? How do you miss this kid when he's right under your nose?*



Given they had Nic Martin as a train on and passed on him too they certainly have form missing stars right under their noses
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Both WCE and the Hawks should be pretty happy with the trade.

Weagles, a team that is starting out their rebuild, get another first and second rounder, and swap a fourth for a third rounder - all for an aging player that; a) wanted to leave for various reasons, and b) would not be around for the next period of success the Weagles achieve. Meaning they have two firsts, seconds and thirds going into next year's draft.

Hawks get a mature, professional, ready-made quality FB - an area that has seemingly been identified as an area of need by the brains trust at the club.

And Barrass himself gets out of a rebuilding club and can hopefully spend his last few years vying for some success.

The obvious questions marks for both teams are:

- did the Hawks overpay for a 29 year old that's never played a full season, who has back issues that will have to be managed for the rest of his life (his own words)?

- did Weagles get enough of a return?

- did trying to demand two firsts, delaying the eventual inevitable deal, cause them to accept a poor trade involving pick #3 after the Hawks made the trade with the Bluuz?

I think those claiming we should have hit the draft again need to realise that over the last three years we have had the equivalent of five first rounders - Ward, Mackenzie, Weddle, Watson, McCabe. I'd say Macdonald (second rounder) has been first round worthy too. Plus additions like Ginnivan and D'Ambrosio, both playing at a first rounder standard.
 
Ill break it down for the deluded. Eagles brought in Baker, Graham and Owies. We brought the 3 above in in order to improve our list balance

Lets compare our list balance

In 21-25 age range this year who played AFL

21-25- Chesser, Hough, Brockman, L.Edwards. H.Edwards, Jamieson, B.Williams
25-29 - Liam Ryan, Liam Duggan, Tom Cole, Matt Flynn, Jake Waterman, Oscar Allen, Jack Petrucelle, Dom Sheed, Jayden Hunt

L.Edwards will be delisted also. Out of those I consider Hough and H.Edwards certain best 22. B.Williams best 25 atleast and other 3 no where near it. Post trade period we now have

21-25- Chesser, Hough, Brockman, L.Edwards. H.Edwards, Jamieson, B.Williams
25-29 - Liam Ryan, Liam Duggan, Tom Cole, Matt Flynn, Jake Waterman, Oscar Allen, Jack Petrucelle, Dom Sheed, Jayden Hunt , Liam Baker, Jack Graham , Matt Owies

So if we take L.Edwards out as he will be delisted very soon, we have 6 players between 21-25 and 12 between 25-29. Thats ontop of 4 players over the age of 30 who too. Id consider 10 of the 25-29 in our best 25 plus the 4 30 year olds. We have 14 of our best 25 over the age of 25.

Instead of getting Garcia/Dev/Sheldrick and adding more to the 21-25 group, we added 3 more to the 25-29 group so we can have 6 in one and 12 in the other.

Eagles fans can defend it but deep down they know it makes no sense. The rebuild is over. To have 12 players in the 25-29 group you are basically preparing for a tilt at the flag
 
Obeanie1 said:
Nice dream. You know the Tigers are in for years of pain. So you dream up a scenario about another ckub that makes you feel better about your clubs dire situation.

Lol.

Whatever you need to do to feel better buddy. Keep your head up.;):thumbsu:

Eagles have Warner and Starcevich in their sights in a big way for next years trade period. Currently the best draft hand in 2025 and cap space to burn. Come 2026 they will have turned the corner from a list buikd perspective.
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You've had only a handful of top 20 picks in the last five years and seem prepared to offer next year's' firsts for Warner. If you think the list build will have turned the corner by 2026 you really are an optimist. Rebuilds are hard and although time will tell, I'd hazard a guess West Coast haven't exactly nailed theirs so far.
 
Piggy Smalls said:
You've had only a handful of top 20 picks in the last five years and seem prepared to offer next year's' firsts for Warner. If you think the list build will have turned the corner by 2026 you really are an optimist. Rebuilds are hard and although time will tell, I'd hazard a guess West Coast haven't exactly nailed theirs so far.
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Eagles have two 1st next year.

One of those and a F1st 2026 gets it done.

By the end of 2026 the likes of Reid, Ginbey, Hough, Hewett and other youngsters will be passing 50 games.

This year and next we will use 1st round picks on kids and trade two for Warner turning 24.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Eagles have two 1st next year.

One of those and a F1st 2026 gets it done.

By the end of 2026 the likes of Reid, Ginbey, Hough, Hewett and other youngsters will be passing 50 games.

This year and next we will use 1st round picks on kids and trade two for Warner turning 24.
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Mentioning Hewett as a pillar is worrying. Im praying he has a career, not pinning him down as our 4th best young player....

Reid, 2 defenders + a midfielder who has serious injiury concerns isnt the building stones of a premiership contender im afraid.
 
Strapping Young Lad said:
They’re trying to get better without being complete shizen. Makes sense to me.

What doesn’t make sense is trading out Pick 3 when they really didn’t need to, Pyke then claiming that they will still get a good player later in the first round, only for their list manager to say after trade deadline that they will try to trade up. 🤪
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But they've been complete shizen for 3 years now, surely just the natural improvement in kids should be taking them above that level in year 4.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Mentioning Hewett as a pillar is worrying. Im praying he has a career, not pinning him down as our 4th best young player....

Reid, 2 defenders + a midfielder who has serious injiury concerns isnt the building stones of a premiership contender im afraid.
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Why do you always post like you are NOT a WC supporter.
 

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banzai said:
But they've been complete shizen for 3 years now, surely just the natural improvement in kids should be taking them above that level in year 4.
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22 and 23 yes, wouldn't say this year was COMPLETELY shizen, maybe a little at times but not completely.
Beat a few teams above us who were cert's to win. Nullified the 100+ blow outs and had much fewer instances of teams having kicking 8+ goals in a row. Got a heap of games and experience into the sub 21 yr olds and fewer injuries than the previous years. I may be biased but all that to me seems, at least a little, an improvement on completely shizen.

In answer to "What are West Coast trying to do?"
I would have a guess and say avoiding continued years at the bottom of the ladder as quickly as possible, the flack we have received the past few years will only increase the longer we remain in the bottom quadrant of the ladder and it isn't a place this club is content to hang around.
If we were to do what many are saying and go to the draft and rebuild with youth and not waste picks on 25-28 year olds chances are we would be hanging around the bottom 3-4 for a lot longer as more experienced and hardened teams beat up on all the kids.
Instead we are splitting the load between drafting in kids and trading in experience to help bolster the strength and provide guidance and leadership to the kids coming through. When the likes of Yeo, Mcgovern, Kelly, Cripps move on the current 25-28 yr olds will be in their place and the current 50-100 gamers will be taking their spots.
We already have youth and over the next 2 years we will be adding at least 6-8 more.

Wow, trade out 1 draft pick, albeit a high one, and everyone thinks the club should fold.

Geelong, Sydney, Hawks in their premiership years, all maintained a very competitive list by mixing up trades and drafts, with very few top 10 picks between them (except Sydney who seem go well getting them)

Anyway, being a supporter I have to have a positive outlook and try see through the doom and gloom. I have to put faith in the guys running club and if history tells me anything it is we don't spend too long in the wilderness, we will be wanting to come back to the pack and hunt sooner rather than later.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Nice dream. You know the Tigers are in for years of pain. So you dream up a scenario about another ckub that makes you feel better about your clubs dire situation.

Lol.

Whatever you need to do to feel better buddy. Keep your head up.;):thumbsu:
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I’m all good Beanie.
Trying to figure out who we will use our top pick on. Those top few look so talented.

Am jealous of Harley though.
Don’t think it will be us that gets him when he returns to Melbourne, although it’s rumoured he’s good mates with FOS so you never know 🙃
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Im posting with realistic expectations and not fanciful ones.
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Look, not jumping on your head but your posts are always negative.
Would it be better to not post than putting yourself, and the team, through the wringer all the time?
I think we will have an improved season next year and am enjoying watching us climb off the canvas.
Anyway, go Eagles😁
 
VicBased said:
Look, not jumping on your head but your posts are always negative.
Would it be better to not post than putting yourself, and the team, through the wringer all the time?
I think we will have an improved season next year and am enjoying watching us climb off the canvas.
Anyway, go Eagles😁
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Dude, have you seen our form and results recently?

Not much to get excited about.
 
VicBased said:
Patience, change is coming.
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Patience in what sense? Putting the pressure on Elijah Hewett to be a big part of our rebuild is the opposite of showing patience. Its putting unfair expectation on a guy who shouldnt be carrying that weight of expectation on his shoulders, especially coming off what is a severe injury.

The impatient people are the ones who expect Hewett to be a key cog in our revival. We just need more players to build around then that
 
toomanysquibs said:
Sigh....

Do you have the ability to read?

No.

Does Hawthorn have a hand of draft picks for next year?

Yes.

You can split hairs all day, but your argument remains redundant.
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In your head maybe.

Again. Learn to read. I said the Hawks traded out 90% of their ORIGINAL 2025 draft hand. Their ORIGINAL 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders. Got a 4th back. No hairs being split there mate.

That is a massive amount to pay for a 29 yr old fullback. A disaster if they do a Crows and don't continue improving or holding the same finishing position as 2024.

In a totally separate deal Hawks traded their 2024 1st into 2025. Totally unrelated to the original 2025 draft hand.
 
Footy Smarts said:
The Barras deal is fine. There's no point holding onto him and they got as much value as they could.

The 2 things that make me question West coast are:

1) The Baker deal. That should've been their 2nd rounder. Rolling over and if anything paying overs for an out of contract player who has nominated you is just terrible.

2) Lawson Humphries. How can a kid who came through your academy look like a star at another team a couple of years later? How do you miss this kid when he's right under your nose?
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Allegedly Humphries didn't show the aptitude or have the fitness levels with the Eagles at that time. He just didn't look draftable. He went away, pulled his sox up and got fit.

Still missed him the second time though. Same with Nick Martin.

The Eagles old recruiting team missed a few gems under their noses. Tim Kelly another.
 
Obeanie1 said:
In your head maybe.

Again. Learn to read. I said the Hawks traded out 90% of their ORIGINAL 2025 draft hand. Their ORIGINAL 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders. Got a 4th back. No hairs being split there mate.

That is a massive amount to pay for a 29 yr old fullback. A disaster if they do a Crows and don't continue improving or holding the same finishing position as 2024.

In a totally separate deal Hawks traded their 2024 1st into 2025. Totally unrelated to the original 2025 draft hand.
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Your non-sequitur, substance free, subterranean argument is redundant in this entire thread.

But keep splitting hairs and adding the previously non-existent qualifying term 'original' to it.

Just makes the whole thing more amusing.
 
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