What is the biggest Adv. Re the "Fixture"

[DTShowtime]

A lot of people make a big song & dance about Collingwood's i/s fixturing, so be it.

In the last 2 years, Geelong have been drawn against...

Port (currently 17th in 2011) x 2 (10th in 2010).
WC (16th in 10').
Richmond (15th in 10').
Melbourne (currently 11th in 2011) x 2 (12th in 2010).
North Melbourne (currently 10th in 2011) x 2 (11th in 2010).
Brisbane (13th in 2010).
GC (currently 15th in 2011)
Adelaide (currently 14th in 2011).
WB (currently 12th in 2011).

That is 12 games (or half a season) against effectively bottom 4 sides at KP.

In the same time, the highest ranked side to play at KP was Sydney, who finished 6th in 2010 & are sitting 7th position this year. So out of 14 games at KP, 2 have only been against 1 side that finished in the 8 that year.

A lot of people complain that Collingwood demand their fixture to play less games i/s & play as many games at the MCG, so be it. Is Collingwood's 13 games at the MCG each year a big of an adv. as Geelong's soft fixturing at KP?

 

[vapours]

Do you realise Kardinya Park is their home ground?

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Do you realise Kardinya Park is their home ground?

Just as the MCG is our home ground. His point is that these things work both ways.

 

[rose jam]

AFL has outgrown these surburban grounds, it's not 1974 anymore. Why they allow this ground to still be in existence is beyond me. Just a joke. It should be a training base.
All Victorian games should be exclusively at the 'G or Etihad 2011 style.

 

[Hump 17]

A lot of people make a big song & dance about Collingwood's i/s fixturing, so be it.

In the last 2 years, Geelong have been drawn against...

Port (currently 17th in 2011) x 2 (10th in 2010).
WC (16th in 10').
Richmond (15th in 10').
Melbourne (currently 11th in 2011) x 2 (12th in 2010).
North Melbourne (currently 10th in 2011) x 2 (11th in 2010).
Brisbane (13th in 2010).
GC (currently 15th in 2011)
Adelaide (currently 14th in 2011).
WB (currently 12th in 2011).

That is 12 games (or half a season) against effectively bottom 4 sides at KP.

In the same time, the highest ranked side to play at KP was Sydney, who finished 6th in 2010 & are sitting 7th position this year. So out of 14 games at KP, 2 have only been against 1 side that finished in the 8 that year.

A lot of people complain that Collingwood demand their fixture to play less games i/s & play as many games at the MCG, so be it. Is Collingwood's 13 games at the MCG each year a big of an adv. as Geelong's soft fixturing at KP?

Maybe Collingwood should ask to play down there then. Cant be a money thing as Geelong make more playing there than the G.

 

[Hump 17]

AFL has outgrown these surburban grounds, it's not 1974 anymore. Why they allow this ground to still be in existence is beyond me. Just a joke. It should be a training base.
All Victorian games should be exclusively at the 'G or Etihad 2011 style.

Why should they have to move? No one forced the other clubs to move. Its a joke that they dont get a true home final.

 

[omit]

It's a good thing you didn't make this thread in the mid 2000's when Port, WC and Sydney were winning flags and the likes of Adelaide and Melbourne were regularly playing finals

 

[DTShowtime]

A lot of "neutrals" complain that Collingwood get a cushy draw b/c every club demands to play them on the MCG. So be it. These neutrals complain that the AFL pander to Collingwood's fixture requests, again, no issue with that.

What surprises me that Geelong obviously do not demand to play the powerhouses of the AFL, such as Collingwood, Hawthorn & St. Kilda at KP. They use the old, we make more money at the MCG excuse. Fair enough. If people are so pent up about Collingwood always getting their fixture requests then why don't they focus on Geelong being handed a cushy draw against also rans at KP?

 

[JR78]

Just a wild guess, but I'm tipping Collingwood only travelling interstate on 4 occasions will feature again.

Therefore can all Victorian supporters loby their clubs to stop begging for the AFL to fixture home games against Collingwood. Easy solution isn't it.

The draw is a farce though. Everyone should play each team once =17.
Then all teams that finish 1-6 or 7-12 or 13-18 play the other teams in their grouping to make up the final 5 games = 22.

Draft, salary cap to make the comp fair, then you have a ridiculous lucky dip draw. Two games against the Suns certainly helps Cats to rest players.

 

[Zagg]

Just a wild guess, but I'm tipping Collingwood only travelling interstate on 4 occasions will feature again.

Therefore can all Victorian supporters loby their clubs to stop begging for the AFL to fixture home games against Collingwood. Easy solution isn't it.

The draw is a farce though. Everyone should play each team once =17.
Then all teams that finish 1-6 or 7-12 or 13-18 play the other teams in their grouping to make up the final 5 games = 22.

Draft, salary cap to make the comp fair, then you have a ridiculous lucky dip draw. Two games against the Suns certainly helps Cats to rest players.

That makes sense to a degree, but the teams in 5th and 6th are at a big disadvantage in the last 5 weeks compared to the teams in 7th & 8th.

Also the AFL won't make it happen. TV figures and crowds are of a higher priority than a fair draw, so interstate derbies and the Pies/Blues/Bombers playing each other twice will remain.

 

[JR78]

That makes sense to a degree, but the teams in 5th and 6th are at a big disadvantage in the last 5 weeks compared to the teams in 7th & 8th.

Also the AFL won't make it happen. TV figures and crowds are of a higher priority than a fair draw, so interstate derbies and the Pies/Blues/Bombers playing each other twice will remain.

Yeah I know Zagg, so the debate will go on forever I guess. Closer games though wouldn't affect TV ratings and two derbies, showdowns per year do lessen their value to an extent.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

A lot of people make a big song & dance about Collingwood's i/s fixturing, so be it.

In the last 2 years, Geelong have been drawn against...

Port (currently 17th in 2011) x 2 (10th in 2010).
WC (16th in 10').
Richmond (15th in 10').
Melbourne (currently 11th in 2011) x 2 (12th in 2010).
North Melbourne (currently 10th in 2011) x 2 (11th in 2010).
Brisbane (13th in 2010).
GC (currently 15th in 2011)
Adelaide (currently 14th in 2011).
WB (currently 12th in 2011).

That is 12 games (or half a season) against effectively bottom 4 sides at KP.

In the same time, the highest ranked side to play at KP was Sydney, who finished 6th in 2010 & are sitting 7th position this year. So out of 14 games at KP, 2 have only been against 1 side that finished in the 8 that year.

A lot of people complain that Collingwood demand their fixture to play less games i/s & play as many games at the MCG, so be it. Is Collingwood's 13 games at the MCG each year a big of an adv. as Geelong's soft fixturing at KP?

Firstly, I count six games against bottom four teams at Kardinia Park. Saying a tenth placed team is 'effectively bottom-four' is the same as me saying they are 'effectively top-eight'.

We'd be more than happy to play our home games against interstate clubs in Melbourne and our home games against Col/Car/Haw/StK at Kardinia, if it would cheer everyone else up. I don't recall people complaining about this home ground advantage in the early 00s, when we were crap, the interstate teams were the dominant force and we couldn't buy a win at Kardinia. We'll play home games against opposition teams who won't draw a 40k crowd in Geelong, no matter what the ladder positions are.

Having said that, I was extremely happy with our fixture this year, particularly the position of our byes and our pretty good run of games in the second half of the year. Won't argue with anyone who says we got a pretty good draw this year.

 

[vWestCoast]

It's not just about Collingwood. All Victorian clubs have it easy. Being able to play on the ground that the grand final is played on is a huge advantage.

 

[Zagg]

It's not just about Collingwood. All Victorian clubs have it easy. Being able to play on the ground that the grand final is played on is a huge advantage.

Fair point, interstate sides will always have a big disadvantage in GFs against Victorian sides.

Interestingly, in 2009 the Saints only h&a MCG game was against a tanking Melbourne in round 22.

 

[JR78]

Firstly, I count six games against bottom four teams at Kardinia Park. Saying a tenth placed team is 'effectively bottom-four' is the same as me saying they are 'effectively top-eight'.

We'd be more than happy to play our home games against interstate clubs in Melbourne and our home games against Col/Car/Haw/StK at Kardinia, if it would cheer everyone else up. I don't recall people complaining about this home ground advantage in the early 00s, when we were crap, the interstate teams were the dominant force and we couldn't buy a win at Kardinia. We'll play home games against opposition teams who won't draw a 40k crowd in Geelong, no matter what the ladder positions are.

Having said that, I was extremely happy with our fixture this year, particularly the position of our byes and our pretty good run of games in the second half of the year. Won't argue with anyone who says we got a pretty good draw this year.

Fair post - but it's still a 5 goal advantage down at Skilled Stadium regardless of whether you're on top or near the bottom. 5 goal losses back then at home were probably 10 goal losses elsewhere.

 

[The_Todd07]

Not this shit again, we had the exact same thread 2-3 weeks ago.

As has already been said we play the LOWER DRAWING SIDES at Skilled because the AFL decide it must be so. Doesn't matter if they are at the top or bottom of the ladder we are only going to play the interstate teams and Victorian teams like Melbourne at home.
We would love to play our 11 home games at home, especially since we rake in the dough playing down here.

 

[JR78]

It's not just about Collingwood. All Victorian clubs have it easy. Being able to play on the ground that the grand final is played on is a huge advantage.

West Coast have played 4 grand finals at the MCG for 3 wins.

Brisbane 4 grand finals for 3 wins.

Adelaide twice for 2 wins.

Hard to understand that argument. 10 games at home against non WA teams with a handy 5 goal advantage helps you.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

AFL has outgrown these surburban grounds, it's not 1974 anymore. Why they allow this ground to still be in existence is beyond me. Just a joke. It should be a training base.
All Victorian games should be exclusively at the 'G or Etihad 2011 style.

1. Geelong is not a suburb.

2. What is the point of playing home games at the MCG (as we would have today), when there's not a snowball's chance in hell of the ground being even 40% full?

3. The Bulldogs should look at playing home games against interstate teams at Skilled as well.

 

[The_Todd07]

Fair post - but it's still a 5 goal advantage down at Skilled Stadium regardless of whether you're on top or near the bottom. 5 goal losses back then at home were probably 10 goal losses elsewhere.

So you're simply complaining that we have a home ground advantage.
Boo hoo, we are the Geelong Cats and therefore play in Geelong. We should be applauded for keeping our spiritual home rather than selling out for the MCG or Etihad

 

[Conan Troutman]

A lot of people make a big song & dance about Collingwood's i/s fixturing, so be it.

In the last 2 years, Geelong have been drawn against...

Port (currently 17th in 2011) x 2 (10th in 2010).
WC (16th in 10').
Richmond (15th in 10').
Melbourne (currently 11th in 2011) x 2 (12th in 2010).
North Melbourne (currently 10th in 2011) x 2 (11th in 2010).
Brisbane (13th in 2010).
GC (currently 15th in 2011)
Adelaide (currently 14th in 2011).
WB (currently 12th in 2011).

That is 12 games (or half a season) against effectively bottom 4 sides at KP.

In the same time, the highest ranked side to play at KP was Sydney, who finished 6th in 2010 & are sitting 7th position this year. So out of 14 games at KP, 2 have only been against 1 side that finished in the 8 that year.

A lot of people complain that Collingwood demand their fixture to play less games i/s & play as many games at the MCG, so be it. Is Collingwood's 13 games at the MCG each year a big of an adv. as Geelong's soft fixturing at KP?

Geelong play these teams at Geelong whether they are good or bad. Many of those teams were contesting for grand finals between 2000-2007 and Geelong played against them at Kardinia Park (including Sydney, who you've left out above). Just one example, Geelong played both West Coast ('06 premiers, '07 top 4) and Port Adelaide ('07 runners-up) at Kardinia in 2007.

Even if you take years in isolation like you have, for these past couple of years, I would argue that Geelong are the ones disadvantaged by having to play the good teams (Collingwood, Hawthorn etc) away from Kardinia Park (sometimes at the oppositions home ground). Like someone above said - it is their home ground, after all.

 

[Conan Troutman]

Here is the same thread from last month - although sadly, locked:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=841527

Coincidentally, that one was also started by a Collingwood supporter, after a comfortable Geelong win at Kardinia Park - their last game there prior to todays game.

 

[winty]

Where was this thread six years ago, when we lost to Fremantle and Melbourne at Skilled? Or five years ago, when we lost back to back games at Skilled against Richmond and West Coast? Or even in 2007, when we lost to two top 4 sides in North Melbourne and Port Adelaide at Skilled?

Funny how it only becomes an issue when we're a good side.

 

[Sttew]

A lot of "neutrals" complain that Collingwood get a cushy draw b/c every club demands to play them on the MCG. So be it. These neutrals complain that the AFL pander to Collingwood's fixture requests, again, no issue with that.

What surprises me that Geelong obviously do not demand to play the powerhouses of the AFL, such as Collingwood, Hawthorn & St. Kilda at KP. They use the old, we make more money at the MCG excuse. Fair enough. If people are so pent up about Collingwood always getting their fixture requests then why don't they focus on Geelong being handed a cushy draw against also rans at KP?

Geelong asked for more home games than they were given.

 

[Sttew]

Here is the same thread from last month - although sadly, locked:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=841527

Coincidentally, that one was also started by a Collingwood supporter, after a comfortable Geelong win at Kardinia Park - their last game there prior to todays game.

Tima, I think you are onto something here. It can't be jealousy or fear by Pies supporters.

 

[Oh we're from..]

A lot of "neutrals" complain that Collingwood get a cushy draw b/c every club demands to play them on the MCG. So be it. These neutrals complain that the AFL pander to Collingwood's fixture requests, again, no issue with that.

What surprises me that Geelong obviously do not demand to play the powerhouses of the AFL, such as Collingwood, Hawthorn & St. Kilda at KP. They use the old, we make more money at the MCG excuse. Fair enough. If people are so pent up about Collingwood always getting their fixture requests then why don't they focus on Geelong being handed a cushy draw against also rans at KP?

Tell me you're having a laugh? You don't reckon the cats would love to play Collingwood at KP, giving pie fans just 100 tickets? It's not Geelong that wouldn't want that.