What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

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Bulldogs85 said:
Stopped watching Footy Classified years ago the only show I watched was Talking Footy that’s no longer on air
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I'll never get that 60 seconds of my life back again but this is the crap that sh1ts me about these people and the footy media industry generally.

“The extra added scrutiny that he’s got on him with everything he’s been through, it’s just a watch for me and I just think he needs some support.”

Effectively he is suggesting that Smith is getting no support. Bullsh1t.

He didn't say he needs more support which at least acknowledges he has some support, but chose to use some support which insinuates Smith currently has none.

Once that more than likely false premise is on the table then it's who is responsible, Dogs blase to mental health issues of star player yada yada yada

I can't pretend to know the degree to which Smith is supported but I'd be willing to wager he at least has some.

What I can pretend to know is that cornes is an oxygen thief.
 
ThePhreshOne said:
He literally played VFL on the weekend.

I wouldn’t play him in the AFL this year at all but he’s certainly training and is playing.
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Yes after missing the entire season to date with injury (albeit freak injuries). If he stays healthy he'll eventually make his way in.
 
Bulldogs85 said:
That’s the media for you trying to find a headline or story one reason I no longer watch AFL 360 or Footy Classified
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Watched it for the first time in years last night and regretted it. What a bunch of mediocre has beens.
 
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Dogs_r_barking said:
Watched it for the first time in years last night and regretted it. What a bunch of mediocre has be.
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The issue is they have an audience and so continue to pollute our screens and airwaves.

I don't know who that audience is, the Big 4 :rolleyes: perhaps.

Education is the key DRB. If young people are taught the follies of sensationalist media from an early age we may get some quality...eventually. Human nature being what it is, however, we (generally) seem to prefer the sensational over the informative.
 
immortalmike said:
It's not about personally disliking Lobb. It's about the resources we've invested to get him. It was a bad investment in my opinion.

How is my giving an opinion making it everyone else's issue? This s**t is why I rarely post anymore.
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Settle down lol, plenty of people have posted things about the impact he’s having. Directly or indirectly, he’s performing the role we recruited him for at an acceptable level, but reasonable to expect that his output should improve more. Sweet would do a better job as a main ruck as that’s what he is, but far worse around the ground and would hinder English if we played him. Therefore, Lobb is the better player to have in the team.

Role players such as him do get paid a bit more than others because it’s a unique 2nd ruck/forward role. The biggest issue is that we aren’t playing to his strengths enough. He’s better to be the deepest forward whilst Naughton & JUH can roam upfield, then into the ruck when English has a rest. Too often he’s the one up the ground and he’s not as good of a field kick as either of them. Lobb on a wing worked as a surprise for half a game, but then failed in the next 2 games because it was arrogance to persist with it.

But never mind the stats that support it anyway, but he passes the eye test in what he does when rucking compared to any of Young, Bruce, Cordy etc over the last few years when the opposition usually got a roll on and took momentum of the game away from us. Not having a Lobb has cost us multiple times, now having him like a few days ago actually helped secure us a win.

He was never intended to be a high profile recruit and I don’t believe he’d be on that good of a coin it can be seen as a bad investment, as we would be far worse without him and we would currently be talking about how we rebuild, rather than looking towards another finals tilt. The media will highlight it because of the very “drama” they helped create in his recruitment, but it’s not like we recruited a Lynch or Cameron type. We got an important role player at a fair price that improves our team, the improvement of English and JUH are very much helped by him so I see it as a good investment that should still get better after getting over his injuries, playing to strengths and learning our system, which is the hardest thing in football
 
Norm De Guerre said:
In a game where the average salary is >$400k how can paying $500k for a guy who filled hole as big as the one in Melbournes forward line next week be seen as "expensive?" The reality is that we swapped out one middling role in Zane Cordy for another in Rory Lobb.

I doubt that the change made much of a dent in our TPP. I suspect that the Saints signed Zane to his 3 year contract on coin somewhere in between the league average and what we are paying Lobb. Indeed if we are paying Lobb 500k it gels with rumours that he was taking a massive pay cut to get to a Melbourne side. I dont think the price of 2 second rounders is particularly high either. North gave up pick 20 for Callum Coleman Jones and their stats are almost identical. Tall role players who can fill various roles tend to demand a trade premium, especially those under contract.

I'll always love Zane for the role he played in 2016. But allowing him and Schache to move on and bringing in Lobb has been a net positive for our side

The game, its commentators and now our supporters vastly overrate Lobbs career. If he was commanding 850k. I could understand the gnashing of teeth. Getting a little over the league wide player payment average. Not so much.

If Darcy Zooms past him as expected in the next 1-18 months and Lobb spends the rest of his contract in and out of the side. Then Im ok with that.

However, I think asking Darcy to play as a second ruck at this stage of his career would be the dumbest thing we could do.

Thats why Lobb will remain in the side for the foreseeable future. And Im ok with that as well.
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Very well said.
 
ossie_21 said:
Settle down lol, plenty of people have posted things about the impact he’s having. Directly or indirectly, he’s performing the role we recruited him for at an acceptable level, but reasonable to expect that his output should improve more. Sweet would do a better job as a main ruck as that’s what he is, but far worse around the ground and would hinder English if we played him. Therefore, Lobb is the better player to have in the team.

Role players such as him do get paid a bit more than others because it’s a unique 2nd ruck/forward role. The biggest issue is that we aren’t playing to his strengths enough. He’s better to be the deepest forward whilst Naughton & JUH can roam upfield, then into the ruck when English has a rest. Too often he’s the one up the ground and he’s not as good of a field kick as either of them. Lobb on a wing worked as a surprise for half a game, but then failed in the next 2 games because it was arrogance to persist with it.

But never mind the stats that support it anyway, but he passes the eye test in what he does when rucking compared to any of Young, Bruce, Cordy etc over the last few years when the opposition usually got a roll on and took momentum of the game away from us. Not having a Lobb has cost us multiple times, now having him like a few days ago actually helped secure us a win.

He was never intended to be a high profile recruit and I don’t believe he’d be on that good of a coin it can be seen as a bad investment, as we would be far worse without him and we would currently be talking about how we rebuild, rather than looking towards another finals tilt. The media will highlight it because of the very “drama” they helped create in his recruitment, but it’s not like we recruited a Lynch or Cameron type. We got an important role player at a fair price that improves our team, the improvement of English and JUH are very much helped by him so I see it as a good investment that should still get better after getting over his injuries, playing to strengths and learning our system, which is the hardest thing in football
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That's the type of food for thought response I was after.

I see your point. I still disagree he was worth what we gave up and another target would have been preferable i.e., investing in our aging midfield, a wing with some pace, a key defender under 32.

The Sweet comparison was not a question of preference but more an illustration of Lobb's lack of impact compared to the resources we invested getting him. He doesn't suit our forwardline and often a big reason it can be stagnant. Then there's the one armed often laughable attempts to mark the ball. So in effect we paid two second rounders and a four year 2mill contract for a part time ruck that we hide forward who may jag a goal a game but also ruin several forward entries with lackadaisical and uncompetitive play.

He's undoubtedly the best we have but boy I wish we got him after a regular year not a career best outlier.
 
immortalmike said:
That's the type of food for thought response I was after.

I see your point. I still disagree he was worth what we gave up and another target would have been preferable i.e., investing in our aging midfield, a wing with some pace, a key defender under 32.

The Sweet comparison was not a question of preference but more an illustration of Lobb's lack of impact compared to the resources we invested getting him. He doesn't suit our forwardline and often a big reason it can be stagnant. Then there's the one armed often laughable attempts to mark the ball. So in effect we paid two second rounders and a four year 2mill contract for a part time ruck that we hide forward who may jag a goal a game but also ruin several forward entries with lackadaisical and uncompetitive play.

He's undoubtedly the best we have but boy I wish we got him after a regular year not a career best outlier.
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Fair enough, but hard to tell what would happen if we prioritise one position over another. It’s a robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario. The way I see it is that he’s the perfect type whilst Darcy develops, who is then going to be a very damaging upgrade.

I’m one of the few not overly concerned about the midfield, it’s the easiest position to fill and find players for but fully agree we need more than Baz coming through. There’s still plenty of good years left with what we have, but need a future Libba ASAP. As for the one handed marking attempts, do you mean when the defenders are clearly scragging him but getting away with it? 😆

I’d like to take 1x first rounder to the draft for a young mid and trade for established talent…and by that I mean trade hard. Successful clubs of the past top off their list this way and look what’s done for them. Lynch, May, Lever & Cameron in recent times, Gibson, Lake, Ottens etc before that. Our 2016 team was an outlier as it was a team we built plus Boyd and a few speculative picks that all peaked at the perfect time.

Not sold on Henry yet but just as an example, if we don’t lose anyone else and can add Barrass, Henry/better & experienced winger as a full Hunter replacement and the likes of Darcy stay fit and show rapid improvement, we are balls deep in the hunt. Probably lacking just a bit this year with our injury luck, but this is why we need to trade hard and make the right picks with what’s left.

Going away from our topic just a bit, but my shopping list across trade & draft periods are 2 mature KPD’s (1 gun), a winger, inside/contested mid, and a natural small/medium forward with good skills. Anything on top are mids with pace, stamina and good skills
 
Im a bit surprised that Fox Footy have just discovered that Rory Lobb is in fact Rory Lobb.

He has come exactly as advertised for me. I didnt want him at the time.
 
Do I think we over paid for Lobb? Yes, I do.

He was worth a single second rounder, not two, based on his career output alone. But Freo sooked, because he pulled out a career year in terms of goals kicked, in a forward line that was s**t (and still is), which is not hard to do. Especially when he was kicked to more often than usual, and still kicked just over 30 goals, well behind the league leaders. But they talked him up like he was worth a first rounder at 30 years old. Even their fans were super smug about it in the trade threads.

Do I think he has flopped? No, I do not. His stats are typical to every Rory Lobb year.

We didn't bring him in to kick 30 goals. We brought him in, to help Naughton, Jamarra and English. His ruck work has been solid when filling in for English, where in the past we would get smashed at our second options like Cordy etc. Forwards have another experienced and physical threat down there. He is on track to kick his third highest goal tally, despite his struggles at times. The only negative for me, is his aerial presence has dropped a fair bit this year. Not getting those marks he normally gets. Sweet averages like 5 disposals and zero goals when we play two pure rucks, with no forward or back line impact. We needed a ruck/hybrid and he was available.

The media s**t me. Okay, you think Lobb hasn't lived up to it? Fine! Say your piece and move on. But do they need to repeat it week after week in a row? Move on, find other stuff to moan about.
 

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Next Waiting said:
I'll never get that 60 seconds of my life back again but this is the crap that sh1ts me about these people and the footy media industry generally.

“The extra added scrutiny that he’s got on him with everything he’s been through, it’s just a watch for me and I just think he needs some support.”

Effectively he is suggesting that Smith is getting no support. Bullsh1t.

He didn't say he needs more support which at least acknowledges he has some support, but chose to use some support which insinuates Smith currently has none.

Once that more than likely false premise is on the table then it's who is responsible, Dogs blase to mental health issues of star player yada yada yada

I can't pretend to know the degree to which Smith is supported but I'd be willing to wager he at least has some.

What I can pretend to know is that cornes is an oxygen thief.
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Further to the above, Bevo was asked about Smith's post game extra running at today's presser. Said he'd always done it and they let him do it but meet him half way. I would read into that that they impose limits on how much he can do.

So awareness of the issue and a compromise sounds like some support.

Regrettably, Norm is right.

Footy media arsonist lights a fire somewhere :heavycheck:

Every other media organization jumps on board.√

A fire of speculation erupts.√

Coach is forced to reply.√

(Club involved is forced to reply.√)

I'm taking about it.√

I take some solace in the fact that I never click on these muppets myself but then admonish myself for being outraged and commenting on it when it's posted here.
 
MJG14 said:
Changing tune a bit, some praise from Kane Cornes 😲 (related to JUH)

The player in a “different league” to everyone else in the 2020 draft class

They are starting to flex their muscles.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au
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Does it mean anything though? Marra's had plenty of warranted praise on this board for some time as 99% of this board could see it coming. We broke the story. Kane 'late to the party" Cornes is chasing the BF ambulance. It was news 6 weeks ago.

Original thought :crossmark:

Didn't even open the article BTW. How he compares to other 2020 draftees is irrelevant. He plays for us...that's all that matters.
 
Next Waiting said:
I'll never get that 60 seconds of my life back again but this is the crap that sh1ts me about these people and the footy media industry generally.

“The extra added scrutiny that he’s got on him with everything he’s been through, it’s just a watch for me and I just think he needs some support.”

Effectively he is suggesting that Smith is getting no support. Bullsh1t.

He didn't say he needs more support which at least acknowledges he has some support, but chose to use some support which insinuates Smith currently has none.

Once that more than likely false premise is on the table then it's who is responsible, Dogs blase to mental health issues of star player yada yada yada

I can't pretend to know the degree to which Smith is supported but I'd be willing to wager he at least has some.

What I can pretend to know is that cornes is an oxygen thief.
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I think he (among others) has credited our club psych as providing a LOT of support.
 
Next Waiting said:
Further to the above, Bevo was asked about Smith's post game extra running at today's presser. Said he'd always done it and they let him do it but meet him half way. I would read into that that they impose limits on how much he can do.

So awareness of the issue and a compromise sounds like some support.

Regrettably, Norm is right.

Footy media arsonist lights a fire somewhere :heavycheck:

Every other media organization jumps on board.√

A fire of speculation erupts.√

Coach is forced to reply.√

(Club involved is forced to reply.√)

I'm taking about it.√

I take some solace in the fact that I never click on these muppets myself but then admonish myself for being outraged and commenting on it when it's posted here.
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I plead guilty to your last paragraph, too, NW 😕
 
OMFG Kane’s latest column in The Age about Bailey Smith is actually infuriating

Like, first of all, Kane Cornes played footy before social media even existed, he has literally nothing in common with Bailey Smith and Kane has absolutely NO IDEA what it is like to be him.

And Kane also has no idea if Bailey does have some sort of eating disorder/over-exercising type mental health issue or no, but on the off chance that he is correct that that is something Bailey is currently struggling with….. do you genuinely think that writing a column essentially publicly ‘calling him out’ for it is going to be beneficial or helpful for Bailey in any ****ing way?!?

Like if Kane really does see something in Bailey that he recognises from himself and is concerned and wants to help him, he would offer his help privately. The fact that he isn’t doing that and is instead writing a column about Bailey making wild assumptions and insinuating that the club aren’t supportive of him etc (as if Kane has any idea) just proves that Kane is a disingenuous, click-baiting, desperate clout goblin.
 
edie said:
Like if Kane really does see something in Bailey that he recognises from himself and is concerned and wants to help him, he would offer his help privately. The fact that he isn’t doing that and is instead writing a column about Bailey making wild assumptions and insinuating that the club aren’t supportive of him etc (as if Kane has any idea) just proves that Kane is a disingenuous, click-baiting, desperate clout goblin.
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His kicking?
 

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