What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

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Next Waiting said:
Further to the above, Bevo was asked about Smith's post game extra running at today's presser. Said he'd always done it and they let him do it but meet him half way. I would read into that that they impose limits on how much he can do.

So awareness of the issue and a compromise sounds like some support.

Regrettably, Norm is right.

Footy media arsonist lights a fire somewhere :heavycheck:

Every other media organization jumps on board.√

A fire of speculation erupts.√

Coach is forced to reply.√

(Club involved is forced to reply.√)

I'm taking about it.√

I take some solace in the fact that I never click on these muppets myself but then admonish myself for being outraged and commenting on it when it's posted here.
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Just on the extra running, whilst he had 82% game time, I wonder if he felt he needed to also punish himself a bit. He had minus 22 metres gained that day from 19 disposals, so probably thought he had a stinker and needed the extra work
 
ossie_21 said:
Just on the extra running, whilst he had 82% game time, I wonder if he felt he needed to also punish himself a bit. He had minus 22 metres gained that day from 19 disposals, so probably thought he had a stinker and needed the extra work
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It didn't really sound like it was anything out of the ordinary (for Bailey). He's a bit OCD by the sound of it and just a matter of managing it by imposing informed (might be a new word for Kane toad to add to his vocab) limits.
 

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Next Waiting said:
It didn't really sound like it was anything out of the ordinary (for Bailey). He's a bit OCD by the sound of it and just a matter of managing it by imposing informed (might be a new word for Kane toad to add to his vocab) limits.
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Hey, NW, in return for your English language pedantry can I return serve with some mental health terminology pedantry? ;)

"A bit OCD" is a really common phrase in people's lexicon but it's a bit stigmatising and dismissive. OCD is a really specific set of symptoms that are often extremely debilitating. Smith's running seems quite obsessive but that's not enough for it to be OCD - and it's also not even just a "mild form" of OCD. Likely very different things.

You'd be amazed by how many people with OCD have their symptoms minimised because people describe themselves as a bit OCD. Some people find it quite offensive as well.

So I politely recommend that everyone just says "obsessive" which is both far more accurate and far less likely to offend/hurt!
 
Golden_6 said:
Brucey talking about his game against Port. He was aware he had a shocker but was receiving death threats on instagram after the game and discussed how tough it was for him in the immediate aftermath.
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That's shocking :( Some people are scumbags
 

AFL 2023: Mick McGuane on the legitimacy of teams in the finals race​

The Bulldogs have enough star factor to be serious contenders, but one key area of the game leaves a bit to be desired. AFL analyst Mick McGuane looks at the true 2023 flag contenders.

Mick McGuane

9 min read
July 7, 2023 - 8:07AM

WESTERN BULLDOGS​

FINALS FORTE: They’ve got star factor – Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore, Aaron Naughton and Jamarra Ugle-Hagan. And let’s not forget Jack Macrae, although he hasn’t been as prolific as previous years. This group are superbly led by Bontempelli and Liberatore – they are the Dogs’ best tacklers — and they lead the way by applying great pressure on the opposition. What the Bulldogs do without the ball will give them their biggest chance to be a serious September contender.

Bontempelli is the leader of the pack. Picture: Getty Images

Bontempelli is the leader of the pack. Picture: Getty Images

FINALS FOIBLE: There’s three things I concentrate on at the pointy end of the year. Contest, pressure – which must be manic — and ball use. Under high intensity, we find out who can make good decisions and execute. Currently, there’s a question over the Dogs’ ball movement, and at times the balance of when to play fast or when to go slow is out of whack. This confusion is causing turnovers and as they are not predictable to each other.
 
Golden_6 said:
Brucey talking about his game against Port. He was aware he had a shocker but was receiving death threats on instagram after the game and discussed how tough it was for him in the immediate aftermath.
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Weightman and Gardner have had the same. Bevo actually came out and called for this sh!t to cease with Gardner. Many players have cancelled their accounts or blocked comments. What purpose does being on these platforms serve, anyway?
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
Weightman and Gardner have had the same. Bevo actually came out and called for this sh!t to cease with Gardner. Many players have cancelled their accounts or blocked comments. What purpose does being on these platforms serve, anyway?
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If I was player, I'd certainly have an account but it would be private with direct messages blocked from strangers.

The clubs actually use these tools to engage with fans, promote the club/their brand and you often see players promoting club material on their personal accounts (under the direction of the club).
 
Article on the AFL website

CALEB Poulter was meant to stay for a week but ended up living with the Crisps for more than two and a half years.

The South Australian moved in not long after Collingwood selected him in the second round of the 2020 AFL Draft and was still living with dual Copeland Trophy winner Jack Crisp and his family for months after his AFL career looked over when the Magpies delisted him last October.

But now the 20-year-old with the poster-boy mullet is not only back in the AFL system, but back in action.

Just a month after earning a lifeline with the Western Bulldogs, Poulter landed his first shot in Luke Beveridge's side last weekend against Fremantle.Now Poulter will face the club that cut him last year, and face someone he considers a brother at Marvel Stadium on Friday night.
"It was almost like a proud dad moment (watching Poulter return) after seeing all the struggles that he was going through at home last year. To see him go through it was hard as a family," Crisp told AFL.com.au this week.

"I'd never had to do anything like that. Sam [Poulter's partner] was great. To see him pull through and see the light at the other end of the tunnel and get to work, then get the reward for work was a surreal moment. Now to have the opportunity to play against him just a few weeks in is pretty cool. Nonetheless, when you cross the white line it's on."
Inside the Crisp household, Poulter is considered a big brother to Jack and Mikayla's daughters, Lilah (aged five) and Sloane (three). Poulter's girlfriend, Sam Guggenheimer, is also part of this big family.

"The way he was with the girls at home it was like he was a big brother to them," Crisp said. "I'm 10 years older than him, so I probably see him almost as a son. Having him at home was so good, I got to have another male in the house. We got to hang out a fair bit, whether it was golf or going to the movies, which I really enjoyed. The girls loved it, I loved it."

When Poulter was left without an AFL home last October, the Woodville-West Torrens product didn't attract much interest and needed to make a calculated decision if he was going to land another opportunity.

Footscray has launched and relaunched the careers of more than a handful of players recently – Tony Scott, Will Hayes, Billy Gowers, Mitch Hannan, Jordan Boyd, Robbie McComb, Ryan Gardner and Cody Raak – so Poulter headed down to the Whitten Oval with a plan to graduate from VFL coach Stewart Edge's after-hours program to AFL mentor Luke Beveridge's business-hours program.
"I just put a really strict plan in place," Poulter said. "I knew the rich history of Footscray and players getting drafted to the Western Bulldogs and other clubs. They also had a list spot open at the start of the year. I knew if I went there and put my best foot forward at the start of the year, maybe I would be a chance mid-season. But nothing is for sure."

The Western Bulldogs were the only club to enquire about Poulter ahead of the Mid-Season Rookie Draft. But you only need one club. Poulter was included in the 26-man squad at the end of his second week on the rookie list, before being picked to play at the end of his first month.
After proving that he can still perform at the level against the Dockers at Marvel Stadium last Saturday, Poulter wants to back it up against the side that opted not to keep him late last year.

"I definitely have a point to prove," Poulter said during an interview outside the AIA Centre on Wednesday night.

"I worked really hard throughout 2021 and 2022 to get the opportunities. It didn't work out but that doesn't mean I can't come to another club and give it my best shot. I definitely have a point to prove to the coaches that didn't let it happen at the end of the day.

"I put a lot of work in over the last eight or nine months. I am only 20 at the end of the day, so I definitely feel like I've got a point to prove at AFL level."
After the two best seasons of his career that culminated in back-to-back best and fairest awards and selection in last year's All-Australian squad – after finishing third in 2019 and 2020 – Crisp has been moved around in 2023 to accommodate the arrival of Tom Mitchell, the rise of Jordan De Goey and Nick Daicos' transition from half-back to midfield.

The 29-year-old has handled moving between half-back, half-forward, inside mid and wing roles like the seasoned pro he is. But it means Crisp is likely to spend time on Poulter on Friday night, with Steele Sidebottom still at least one more week away from returning from injury.

"Since Steele has gone out I've played more wing as the third wing role alongside Josh Daicos and Will Hoskin-Elliott. Chances are I'll line up on him this week. I'll be seeing what wing he goes to and I'll be going straight to it," Crisp said.

"It does get hard at times because when you swap roles it can get confusing on game day. It is still good, we're playing some really good football, everyone is playing their role. We aren't reliant on anyone, which is what you want to be as a team."
Poulter has looked up to Crisp for nearly three years, learning the small things that only experience teaches you, observing the level of professionalism that has propelled Crisp to a remarkable 203 consecutive games, putting him now within realistic distance of Jim Stynes' record of 244 in a row.

But despite the strong bond between the pair and the appreciation for everything Crisp has done for him, Poulter will be parking the love for one night only.

"I actually didn't know he'd been playing on the wing," Poulter said." I'd love to tackle him. To catch him holding the ball would be nice. He is a great player. It would be a full circle playing against Collingwood and playing against him."
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Hey, NW, in return for your English language pedantry can I return serve with some mental health terminology pedantry? ;)

"A bit OCD" is a really common phrase in people's lexicon but it's a bit stigmatising and dismissive. OCD is a really specific set of symptoms that are often extremely debilitating. Smith's running seems quite obsessive but that's not enough for it to be OCD - and it's also not even just a "mild form" of OCD. Likely very different things.

You'd be amazed by how many people with OCD have their symptoms minimised because people describe themselves as a bit OCD. Some people find it quite offensive as well.

So I politely recommend that everyone just says "obsessive" which is both far more accurate and far less likely to offend/hurt!
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Well colour me learned!

Never too old to be edumacated:thumbsu:
 

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Dogs_R_Us said:
I think he (among others) has credited our club psych as providing a LOT of support.
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I would argue that he didn't on this occasion and that the insinuation (almost declaration if you like) of the absence of support was the lever used (tool in the case of toad) to have a crack at the club and draw them into his seedy little shock jock world.

‘Nah get stuffed, I’m going to get out there and get fit. I’m not happy with how I performed.’ But who is that at the Dogs who’s willing to have that conversation with him?

My read on Bevo's comment when asked about Smith's obsessive post game running is that it's an ongoing conversation and has been for some time. And that there are negotiated and agreed upon limits to his post-game exertion. He didn't elaborate as to who might be having that conversation but one could take a reasonable guess.

So mission accomplished for Kane toad. Light a baseless speculative fire. Other media jump on. Club respond and put it to bed.

There'll be another one next week. Probably another club's turn. Player X at Club Y looks like he's not enjoying his football (opinion almost certainly not backed by a legitimate enquiry of player and/or club) ...... baseless speculative fire .... media storm...rinse and repeat.
 
5 days in. lets see check in on how my telling of this would play out is going. All updates in green.

One has to disagree with Kath's assertion that the media is talking about this "because of Gold Coasts performance on the weekend" No, they got beaten as expected by the best side in the competition. The reason that the media is taking about is its because a journalist put it on the agenda and because they are part of a human centipede they had no choice but to follow.

I did however enjoy Robby's enormous snorting guffaw. Always the broadcast professional is Robbo.

Norm De Guerre said:
Let's look at how thats going shall we.

Say a coaching demise is imminent. But give yourself a convenient 4 weeks of wriggle room.√√√√√√√√√√√√√√

Every other media organization jumps on board.√√√√√√√√√√√√√√

A fire of speculation erupts.√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√

Coach is forced to reply.√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√

Club involved is forced to reply.√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√

Im taking about it.√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√


Then: Spend the next 4 weeks either doubling down until it happens.

Or: If it doesn't. Like farting in an elevator just move forward like it never happened.

The media is a flat circle.
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GetDimmaBack said:
For all you lovers of Caro out there...

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Her only satisfaction is when careers are destroyed. She adds no value to AFL. Years ago Sam Lane lauded Wilson for being a trail blazer for female footy reporters. I wonder what she really thinks now. Emma Quayle, Chloe Saltau, Kelli Underwood etc are/were trailblazers. Wilson is an ambulance chaser. Hopefully the ambulance stops and reverses over her. And hits Barrett and Cornes too.

Anyone remember Garrie Hutchinson and his "The Watcher" column from The Age in the 1980s? Fantastic snapshot vignettes of a player or incident from a game. That was journalism.
 
Norm De Guerre said:
5 days in. lets see check in on how my telling of this would play out is going. All updates in green.

One has to disagree with Kath's assertion that the media is talking about this "because of Gold Coasts performance on the weekend" No, they got beaten as expected by the best side in the competition. The reason that the media is taking about is its because a journalist put it on the agenda and because they are part of a human centipede they had no choice but to follow.

I did however enjoy Robby's enormous snorting guffaw. Always the broadcast professional is Robbo.
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I was going to suggest duplicating the post in the Nostradamus thread but ....... it's just not that hard to predict. Dog help us.
 
geoffjennings79 said:
Her only satisfaction is when careers are destroyed. She adds no value to AFL. Years ago Sam Lane lauded Wilson for being a trail blazer for female footy reporters. I wonder what she really thinks now. Emma Quayle, Chloe Saltau, Kelli Underwood etc are/were trailblazers. Wilson is an ambulance chaser. Hopefully the ambulance stops and reverses over her. And hits Barrett and Cornes too.

Anyone remember Garrie Hutchinson and his "The Watcher" column from The Age in the 1980s? Fantastic snapshot vignettes of a player or incident from a game. That was journalism.
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The more I think about it the more akin to arson I think her playbook is. Lights fires, people get badly burned or destroyed, no remorse, presumably gets a sick kick/thrill out of it. Serial media arsonist or career killer. Any clinical psychologists out there care to diagnose Caro.....
 
Next Waiting said:
The more I think about it the more akin to arson I think her playbook is. Lights fires, people get badly burned or destroyed, no remorse, presumably gets a sick kick/thrill out of it. Serial media arsonist or career killer. Any clinical psychologists out there care to diagnose Caro.....
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Then plays victim.
 

Western Bulldogs fail to prove they’re genuine contenders, but not all lost in spirited effort​

Nick Daicos led Collingwood to a 12-point win over the Western Bulldogs, who failed to turn a great start into victory. See the details here.

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July 7, 2023 - 11:49PM
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AFL: Collingwood star Scott Pendlebury has broken the all-time AFL/VFL disposals record during round 17 against the Western Bulldogs at Marvel Stadium.

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This was supposed to be the night the Western Bulldogs announced themselves to the competition.

Are they contenders or pretenders? Could they crack Collingwood and momentarily claw their way into the top four?
The Magpies appeared vulnerable.
There was no Brayden Maynard, no Brody Mihocek, no Steele Sidebottom, no Dan McStay and no Nathan Kreuger.
Despite missing some names, the Pies were too good. Picture: Getty Images

Despite missing some names, the Pies were too good. Picture: Getty Images
The absence of McStay, Mihocek and Kreuger was crucial because it forced full-back Billy Frampton to switch goalsquares.
The Pies were off balance and playing off consecutive six-day breaks.
They were also headed, as they often are. They trailed 19-0 during the first quarter and then by 22 points during the second quarter.
The Dogs were not only emerging before our eyes, but once again so was Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.
In the second and third quarters the No.1 draft pick clunked nine marks (three contested) and kicked 2.3.

Such sticky hands and graceful timing from a key forward with less than 40 games was something to behold.
Imagine what Ugle-Hagan will be like after 60 games? And then 80?
Maybe by then the Dogs will be contenders. But you couldn’t declare them as a genuine threat by the end of Ugle-Hagan’s 38th game.
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan looked dangerous on Friday night. Picture: Getty Images

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan looked dangerous on Friday night. Picture: Getty Images
The Pies peeled off 11 of 12 goals – mostly generated with slicing ball movement from the backline – to flatten the Dogs, who are suddenly 1-5 against teams above them on the ladder.
They’ve played 16 games and it’s too early to earmark them as a contender.
That is concerning for a club that played in a grand final 40 games ago.
But you also could not discount them as a pretender. Not on the back of their spirited but unsuccessful shot at the ladder-leaders.
The Dogs landed some late blows to make the margin respectable , but were outscored by Collingwood 6.7 (43) to 1.3 (9) from stoppages.
So instead of the Dogs announcing themselves as pretenders or contenders, Friday night’s learnings were smaller picture. Some of them included;
1. Nick Daicos is a full-time midfielder who, despite Jordan De Goey’s return from suspension, will never spend another minute playing at halfback;
2. Mihocek is mightily important to the Magpies’ forward structure;
3. Bailey Smith (11 disposals, his worst return since his first season) is in the biggest form slump of his career;
4. Rory Lobb’s (one mark) recruitment becomes more mysterious by the week.
Daicos – the 20-year-old who should start thinking about his Brownlow Medal acceptance speech – was delightful to watch.
Nick Daicos looks a class above. Picture: Getty Images

Nick Daicos looks a class above. Picture: Getty Images
He had six clearances in the dour start and then the Daicosses – Josh chimed in, too - dazzled in the third quarter.
They shared 19 disposals and three golden goals. But the story was told inside the centre square.
No more halfback for Nick, who attended 25 centre bounces for the night – the most from the Magpies.
De Goey was in there for 23, Scott Pendlebury 21, Tom Mitchell 13 and Taylor Adams just three.
It feels like Adams will be squeezed to half-forward as Daicos and De Goey form what will be a devastating onball partnership.
De Goey and Daicos. Damn, that’s going to be fun to watch.

SCOREBOARD​

BULLDOGS 3.1, 6.5, 7.7, 11.11 (77)
MAGPIES 1.4, 5.6, 11.8, 13.11 (89)
LERNER’S BEST
Bulldogs: Weightman, Naughton, Daniel, Ugle-Hagan, Liberatore, Bontempelli, Vandermeer. Magpies: N.Daicos, Quaynor, Elliott, Noble, Markov, Johnson, Mitchell.
GOALS
Bulldogs: Naughton 4, Weightman 4, Ugle-Hagan 2, Poulter.
Magpies: Elliott 4, Johnson 3, N.Daicos 2, De Goey, J.Daicos, Frampton, Lipinski.
INJURIES: Bulldogs: Nil. Magpies: Hoskin-Elliott (hand).
UMPIRES: Stevic, Nicholls, Broadbent, Gianfagna
VENUE: Marvel Stadium
PLAYER OF THE YEAR: LERNER’S VOTES

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2 Isaac Quaynor (Coll)
1 Cody Weightman (WB)
 

Great Scott: New heights for veteran Magpie as Collingwood move through the gears in flag chase​

ByMarnie Vinall​

Updated July 7, 2023 — 11.56pmfirst published at 10.50pm

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/live-scores?match=266823313
Collingwood overcame a slow start to keep their top spot with a 12-point victory over the Western Bulldogs at Marvel Stadium on Friday night to reaffirm their status as a leading premiership threat.
While other clubs are talking about taking it week by week and not daring to mention much about finals, Magpies coach Craig said they had their eyes set on September.
Nick Daicos and [PLAYERCARD]Patrick Lipinski[/PLAYERCARD] of Collingwood celebrate a goal.

Nick Daicos and Patrick Lipinski of Collingwood celebrate a goal.CREDIT:GETTY
“Look, we’re here to bank wins. We’re in the business of qualifying, as every team in the competition are. So these ones are really important.”
The Magpies will stay neck-and-neck with Port Adelaide if the Power win their game against Gold Coast this weekend, otherwise they’ll be a game clear as ladder-leaders as the season heads into its pointy end.

For the Bulldogs, they keep their spot in the top-eight but will need a more comprehensive fight in coming weeks if they want to push for a top-four finish. They next play Sydney at the SCG and then Essendon at Marvel.
It was a quick start from the Bulldogs, who opened the game with a hat trick of goals (back-to-back from Cody Weightman then Aaron Naughton), as their forward line dismantled the Magpies’ usual brick wall. Before the Magpies came out firing in the second half.
McRae said the flip switch of forward efficiency from the first to second half was one of the most pleasing parts of the game.
“I think our forwards just adapted better and we had a couple of little method changes, and that’s a pleasing part of the game,” said McRae.
“You know, every opposition is difficult to beat, they throw different things at you, so you got to adapt and evolve. So I think that’s probably the best thing out of tonight. Whatever is thrown at us, we have an ability to adjust in game and then get the game how we wanted to look.”


More than once in the opening half, Jamara Ugle-Hagan outworked and outmarked Nathan Murphy, while Weightman and Naughton were able to get out the back, find space and kick goals.
Collingwood were a side solely missing menacing defender Brayden Maynard, who was out due to shoulder soreness. Pies forward Brody Mihocek was also missing from action due to pulling up stiff and sore after their last weekend’s win against Gold Coast. Isaac Quaynor had a fantastic game down back.
It took Collingwood a quarter and a half to kick into gear but when they did, they put their foot further down on the gas. The Magpies’ opening goal came 19 minutes into the first quarter (Jamie Elliott) and the second 13 minutes into the second (Ash Johnson).
Early on the Magpies were down by 22 points but eventually found their fire and went into half-time after kicking the last three majors and trailing by just five points.
After the main break, the Magpies dominated. In the third term they kicked six goals to one. Then back-to-back goals to open the final term from Patrick Lipinski and Elliott, his fourth, gave the Magpies a 37-point lead, which the Bulldogs didn’t look close to challenging.

[PLAYERCARD]Scott Pendlebury[/PLAYERCARD] broke the all-time VFL/AFL disposal record at Marvel Stadium.

Scott Pendlebury broke the all-time VFL/AFL disposal record at Marvel Stadium.CREDIT:GETTY
Brownlow contender Nick Daicos made the move into midfield and proved to be a threatening on ball partner with Jordan De Goey, who returned after his three-week suspension for a bump on West Coast youngster Elijah Hewett. He finished with 29 disposals, 11 clearances and six tackles.
“It’s just week after week. It’s just press play and repeat on the messaging,” said McRae.
“He’s an incredible talent. He has the ability to see things that others don’t see in tight congestion, and then he’s running capability. Again, it might not come through on TV, but he’s incredible at covering the ground. And then a couple of really classy goals. So, he’s an amazing player.”
Daicos, 20, also made himself known on the scoreboard with two impressive goals, one crafty snap during play and the other a set shot from 50 metres out.

Weightman (four goals) and Ugle-Hagan (two goals) continue to evolve in the Bulldogs forward line - well, in the first half at least - and take the sole target pressure off Naughton, who finished with four majors. Meanwhile, usual damaging midfielder Bailey Smith was put on the half-forward flank and had a quiet game with just four touches at half-time and 11 overall.
Former-Magpie Caleb Poulter kicked his first career goal against his old club. He also had a bizarre moment earlier in the game, where he accidentally ran the wrong way during a passage of play before redeeming himself.

Pendlebury breaks all-time disposal record​

The Magpie army, and a good smattering of Bulldog supporters, were on their feet half-way through the third quarter for Scott Pendlebury who broke the all-time VFL/AFL disposal record.
The 35-year-old former-skipper and six-time All Australian surpassed Robert Harvey on 9656 disposals. He finished the game with 21 disposals, seven marks and four tackles.

An on-screen tribute to [PLAYERCARD]Scott Pendlebury[/PLAYERCARD].

An on-screen tribute to Scott Pendlebury.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
Western Bulldogs: 3.1 6.5 7.7 11.11 (77)
Collingwood: 1.4 5.6 11.8 13.11 (89)
GOALS: Western Bulldogs: Naughton 4, Weightman 4, Ugle-Hagan 2, Poulter. Collingwood: Elliott 4, Johnson 3, N Daicos 2, J Daicos, De Goey, Frampton, Lipinski
BEST: Western Bulldogs: Daniel, Bontempelli, Weightman, Ugle-Hagan, Naughton. Collingwood: N Daicos, De Goey, J Daicos, Quaynor, Noble
VOTES
N Daicos (9)

J Daicos (8)
Daniel (7)
Bontempelli (7)
Quaynor (7)
 
AFL legend Cameron Mooney has torn shreds off the Western Bulldogs’ “ridiculous” overpossession of the ball and believes it will eventually lead to the side dropping out of the top eight.

Despite leading at halftime, the Bulldogs slipped to a 12-point defeat to league-leading Collingwood on Friday night.The loss also left Luke Beveridge’s side at risk of sliding out of the top eight by the end of the weekend, with Adelaide and Essendon just one win back but hold a game in hand and a better percentage.
With a relatively daunting run home featuring the Swans (away), Essendon (home), Greater Western Sydney (away), Richmond (home), Hawthorn (away), West Coast (home) and Geelong (away), Mooney holds grave fears for the Bulldogs.

“This is going to be a little harsh, because they were good tonight, they really were, but someone has to fall out of the eight, at least one or two,” Mooney said on Fox Footy’s postgame coverage.

“I think the Dogs are one of those teams to fall out of the eight. Their run home isn’t a great one.“They’ve got seven games left and I think we picked three, maybe four tops to go on and win.”
As to why the Bulldogs will drop out of finals contention, Mooney believes the answer is simple.

“They rank seventh in the competition for possessions per goal so for me, they completely overpossess the ball,” Mooney said.

“They’re the worst in the top eight for overpossessing it … there’s a lot of kicking sideways and backwards, a lot of junk kicking.

“I think over the last couple of weeks, it’s actually come down.

“They usually average well over 400 possessions a game, which is just ridiculous in today’s game.”


Mooney also pointed out that the Bulldogs are in competition with struggling sides like West Coast, North Melbourne, Hawthorn and Carlton — the worst four teams in the competition — when it comes to the teams most guilty of overpossessing the ball.

Although the Bulldogs are streets ahead of the quartet in terms of ladder position, it doesn’t change much in Mooney’s perception of the team as he called for a major shake-up at the club.

“I think they need to change a lot of things up at the Bulldogs,” Mooney said.
“On paper, they look fantastic, they have for years. But they always let us down.”

But for all of Mooney’s frustration at Beveridge’s side, he felt there were moments of magic against Collingwood that hinted at a more successful brand of footy down the track.

“I would love to see them go, ‘You know what, we’re going to just go quick, straight, down the middle and see what happens,’” Mooney said.

“When they did it, they looked fantastic.

“Give Jamarra Ugle-Hagan a chance, he looks great on the lead. (Aaron) Naughton’s fantastic one-on-one, but they keep bombing on his head and make him jump into packs.

“If you allow these guys to play one-on-one footy, it’s amazing what will happen.

“But they just go so slow for mine, sometimes I just can’t watch them.”
 
Bulldogs85 said:
AFL legend Cameron Mooney has torn shreds off the Western Bulldogs’ “ridiculous” overpossession of the ball and believes it will eventually lead to the side dropping out of the top eight.

Despite leading at halftime, the Bulldogs slipped to a 12-point defeat to league-leading Collingwood on Friday night.The loss also left Luke Beveridge’s side at risk of sliding out of the top eight by the end of the weekend, with Adelaide and Essendon just one win back but hold a game in hand and a better percentage.
With a relatively daunting run home featuring the Swans (away), Essendon (home), Greater Western Sydney (away), Richmond (home), Hawthorn (away), West Coast (home) and Geelong (away), Mooney holds grave fears for the Bulldogs.

“This is going to be a little harsh, because they were good tonight, they really were, but someone has to fall out of the eight, at least one or two,” Mooney said on Fox Footy’s postgame coverage.

“I think the Dogs are one of those teams to fall out of the eight. Their run home isn’t a great one.“They’ve got seven games left and I think we picked three, maybe four tops to go on and win.”
As to why the Bulldogs will drop out of finals contention, Mooney believes the answer is simple.

“They rank seventh in the competition for possessions per goal so for me, they completely overpossess the ball,” Mooney said.

“They’re the worst in the top eight for overpossessing it … there’s a lot of kicking sideways and backwards, a lot of junk kicking.

“I think over the last couple of weeks, it’s actually come down.

“They usually average well over 400 possessions a game, which is just ridiculous in today’s game.”


Mooney also pointed out that the Bulldogs are in competition with struggling sides like West Coast, North Melbourne, Hawthorn and Carlton — the worst four teams in the competition — when it comes to the teams most guilty of overpossessing the ball.

Although the Bulldogs are streets ahead of the quartet in terms of ladder position, it doesn’t change much in Mooney’s perception of the team as he called for a major shake-up at the club.

“I think they need to change a lot of things up at the Bulldogs,” Mooney said.
“On paper, they look fantastic, they have for years. But they always let us down.”

But for all of Mooney’s frustration at Beveridge’s side, he felt there were moments of magic against Collingwood that hinted at a more successful brand of footy down the track.

“I would love to see them go, ‘You know what, we’re going to just go quick, straight, down the middle and see what happens,’” Mooney said.

“When they did it, they looked fantastic.

“Give Jamarra Ugle-Hagan a chance, he looks great on the lead. (Aaron) Naughton’s fantastic one-on-one, but they keep bombing on his head and make him jump into packs.

“If you allow these guys to play one-on-one footy, it’s amazing what will happen.

“But they just go so slow for mine, sometimes I just can’t watch them.”
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Don't know if we drop out of the 8, maybe maybe not, but Mooney's points are spot on.
 

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