When does Goodwin come under pressure?

[HTPunter]

Plus you read back on this thread - in 2017, the concerns were over a back up for Gawn…

Which 7 years later, they have addressed with Tom Fullarton.

All the while having a merry go round of key forwards. Petty, Turner, Van Rooyen, Brown, Schache, T.McDonald, Grundy, Weideman, Smith all since start of 2022 have been trialled.

McAdam was a bizarre target. He’s a way worse version of both Fritsch & Melksham, he tries to take hangers off the side of packs 3 seconds before the ball arrives and then spends the rest of the contest lifting himself off the ground. They also have Petracca as a medium leading target when needed. Crazy they targeted McAdam.

 

[fnerd]

Looking like the end of the run for this list.

100% agree .

Reckon that’s it for fair majority of this list in its current itineration
and also for Good stuff goodwin.
Gives me real Luke beveridge vibes these days

I never agreed they were some dynasty team after 21’ but do think the list had another flag in them.

the fact they followed that premiership up with 2 straight sets exits is kinda unforgivable tho.
Definitely should of at least reached a pre lim somewhere in there.

Be interesting which way they go end of this year as can’t even see them making finals from here

 

[Elixuh]

In all seriousness, Goodwin has wasted this list. They’ve had one good year and their fans didn’t even get to witness it lol.

Gawn is a generational player. And his time is almost up.

 

[ant22]

After watching them live today I can only assume the way they continue to play must drive their supporters crazy.

They had 2 more scoring shots, but that really should not surprise anyone watching them. Just about all of their inside 50 marks are on a worse than 45 degree angle and 40 plus out. Even the goals they did kick were from tight angles. They don’t get easy shots because their ball movement is slow. They are so easy to defend against on the most dangerous areas of the ground. With the list they have they should be better. Goodwins game plan is putrid.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Goodwin and Beveridge should both be gone this year if their sides miss finals, sure they won flags in the past but every coach has a use by date and these clubs are in the business of winning flags.

Beveridge should be gone end of year, we ain’t making finals and despite our recent wins (vs teams we usually match up well against) it has still been due to the small few players carrying us over the line. Bont had one of the best last quarters I will ever see in my lifetime.

Coaches do have a time up date. I think both are evidently good coaches, I just think ten years of Bevo has gotten stale and his approach is not the right fit for a group of newer players that need standards set, it was perfect for a group of hardened veterans that needed motivation but it’s not right for the now.

Goodwin on the other hand I couldn’t say wtf is happening. You do not lose by 90 points with a list like that if things are going okay internally, even if it was just an off day. And yes Fremantle were far more accurate at goal than they’ll probably ever be for the rest of the year but it still would’ve been a 50+ point win if their kicking was closer to the average. They are definitely in trouble behind the scenes.

Will still beat us though.

 

[markm106]

IMO this list could pinch another flag. Alot of star power. Won’t win it with Goodwin in charge. Off field clean out required. We’d also need a committed Oliver doing a full pre season with no shenanigans. TBF seems he has really committed himself since he has come back.

 

[WillHayward]

When Gawn retires or gets injured they are bottom 6 material.

 

[WillHayward]

IMO this list could punch another flag. Alot of star power. Won’t win it with Goodwin in charge. Off field clean out required. We’d also need a committed Oliver doing a full pre season with no shenanigans. TBF seems he has really committed himself since he has come back.

Has he?

 

[markm106]

Has he?

Yep. But way too far behind the pack to get anywhere near his best. Basically needed pre season.

 

[FreoGirl]

When Gawn retires or gets injured they are bottom 6 material.

they should have held onto Grundy

 

[MisterMarcus]

In all seriousness, Goodwin has wasted this list. They’ve had one good year and their fans didn’t even get to witness it lol.

Gawn is a generational player. And his time is almost up.

People keep saying this....but is their list really THAT good?

Dees basically have no KPF worth a damn, no backup for Gawn, players are being forced to pinch-hit in roles to cover weaknesses. Also, while their top tier is elite, I feel they have a bit of a soft underbelly in their bottom 6-8 players.

They remind me a bit of the 2000s Saints teams - people look at the top 6-8 players and assume "their list is awesome", but dig a bit deeper and it's nowhere near as good as it seems.

 

[Gavin Excell]

People keep saying this....but is their list really THAT good?

Dees basically have no KPF worth a damn, no backup for Gawn, players are being forced to pinch-hit in roles to cover weaknesses. Also, while their top tier is elite, I feel they have a bit of a soft underbelly in their bottom 6-8 players.

They remind me a bit of the 2000s Saints teams - people look at the top 6-8 players and assume "their list is awesome", but dig a bit deeper and it's nowhere near as good as it seems.

I think this is the question

I used to think they had the best list in the comp, but no longer do. Their forward line is a shambles. While his absence is short term, Melbourne without Lever means defensively they aren't as strong as they used to be

 

[Brend81]

Show a bit of spine might be a good start, petracca shaking Maynard’s hand before the game says everything you need to know about this club, that’s 1 of the weakest things I have ever seen not a chance pies players would do that if rolls were reversed, the white flag was raised before the bounce

 

[Jibroni]

Our pressure and application was appalling yesterday considering the occasion.

 

[makethat2]

Show a bit of spine might be a good start, petracca shaking Maynard’s hand before the game says everything you need to know about this club, that’s 1 of the weakest things I have ever seen not a chance pies players would do that if rolls were reversed, the white flag was raised before the bounce

Or it's an acknowledgement that is was a complete accident what happened and the media reporting especially from Caro was wrong.

 

[VinnieB]

He's doing them a favour.
Taking another straight sets finals campaign out of the equation.

 

[raven echo]

His game plan makes for very poor viewing and I get no enjoyment watching. We are so slow and methodical as we stick to defensive discipline. Seems he’s taken all the joy and dare from the players, to make sure they stick to the defensive structure. The structure is being picked apart though.

Not to mention our players have no ability to lower their eyes and find a leading target. If they do they’re up against the boundary in the pocket for the miracle shot.

He also plays favourites. There’s no way Petty should still be out there. He’s been bog average all year but hasn’t been dropped. I know the cupboard is bare for forwards but shake it up and make moves.

Goodwin will drop one or two of the bottom 4 to 6 players for the North game to make a “statement”. Meanwhile the protected species will continue to be trotted out. Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic stuff.

Our recruitment needs to come under the microscope too. Supporters have been saying for 3 years now we need to overhaul and improve the forward line. Crickets from the powers that be.


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[Elixuh]

People keep saying this....but is their list really THAT good?

Dees basically have no KPF worth a damn, no backup for Gawn, players are being forced to pinch-hit in roles to cover weaknesses. Also, while their top tier is elite, I feel they have a bit of a soft underbelly in their bottom 6-8 players.

They remind me a bit of the 2000s Saints teams - people look at the top 6-8 players and assume "their list is awesome", but dig a bit deeper and it's nowhere near as good as it seems.

Well it was good enough to dominate every team 4 years ago. They’ve had a KPF problem for 5 years that they haven’t rectified which is mystifying.

 

[Bald]

Not sure how much pressure should be on Goodwin with Petracca being allowed back on the ground with four broken ribs, lacerations to the spleen and a small puncture in the lung. Christian would have wanted to keep playing, but sometimes there needs to be somebody to tap the player on the shoulder and save them from themselves.

I do hope that the people swinging abuse at Brayden Maynard

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for what happened with Angus Brayshaw

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hold their club to a far harsher account. One was a split second decision, the other involved a discussion and a decision.

 

[StillAtLarge]

Not sure how much pressure should be on Goodwin with Petracca being allowed back on the ground with four broken ribs, lacerations to the spleen and a small puncture in the lung. Christian would have wanted to keep playing, but sometimes there needs to be somebody to tap the player on the shoulder and save them from themselves.

Dunstall had a big go at David King post game when the latter suggested it was irresponsible for Melbourne to send Petracca back out there. Let's face it- we all knew he had broken ribs (at a minimum) and obviously required a jab just to be able to run.

Seriously, we need to name and shame clubs/staff who jab up players when they have serious injuries that just about any other sporting league would deem a match ending ailment. It was uncomfortable viewing and just as bad as failing to rule out a concussed participant

 

[Dazb86]

I wonder how much of it is gameplan when it comes to the poor performances of every KPF on the list.

Surely they aren't all that bad?

 

[00Stinger]

I wonder how much of it is gameplan when it comes to the poor performances of every KPF on the list.

Surely they aren't all that bad?

Van Rooyen has been alright. But expecting him to be the one to do it by himself and 30 odd games is ridiculous

Luke Jackson would be pretty hand to still have as well

 

[LordLucifer]

Goodwin & Nicks should be sacked at the end of this season.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Goodwin & Nicks should be sacked at the end of this season.

Please god no, we need to find another coach before Goodwin is sacked.

Roo would be erect thinking of getting his best mate back to coach the crows.

 

[LordLucifer]

Please god no, we need to find another coach before Goodwin is sacked.

Roo would be erect thinking of getting his best mate back to coach the crows.

I understand where you are coming from but something needs to happen at both clubs because they are going around in ever decreasing circles with no end in sight.