Who DON'T you want your team to draft? 2023 Edition

[Caligo]

One thing I would say about the draft that causes problems is this notion that "Oh God, I'd puke if we wasted our early-mid second round pick on the next Jack Bowes," like that's a bad thing. Bowes has played 100 games, he'd be odds-on to get to 150 and probably even-money to get to 200. Historically, that's a great return on investment for where Bowes was originally picked (#10), let alone for pick 20-something.

Absolutely, but I also think there is untapped potential there.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Absolutely, but I also think there is untapped potential there.

I like him. I literally don't remember anything about him pre-Geelong and it'd be nice if he was 22-23 instead of 25, but I'd consider his play as a positive for the Cats when there weren't too many in 2023.

 

[Caligo]

I like him. I literally don't remember anything about him pre-Geelong and it'd be nice if he was 22-23 instead of 25, but I'd consider his play as a positive for the Cats when there weren't too many in 2023.

Yep, hopefully you haven't gotten him too late. I genuinely believe there is a player there.

 

[RUNVS]

There should almost be a "who do you think your club will draft" thread, so not a thread on who you hope your club will draft, or who you don't want them to draft, but rather a thread based on experience of what sort of players your recruiter likes to draft.

I feel a running half back with good skills but only touches the ball 10 times a match coming the Swans way.

 

[Orange crush]

I feel a running half back with good skills but only touches the ball 10 times a match coming the Swans way.

Add in undersized and I reckon the Dons select them all before you get a chance

 

[KinderSmock]

For me;
Arie Schoenmaker
George Stevens
Caiden Cleary
Riley Hardeman
Mitchell Edwards
Luamon Lual
Ashton Moir

Can we have your reasoning behind some of those?

Agree about Moir - he seems overrated.

But passionately disagree about Stevens. Think he’s worth the punt and hope Collingwood take him. He tore up our VFL side earlier this year.

 

[RUNVS]

I have personal reasons not to support a draft prospect this year and would prefer Collingwood not to take him. I try to support most players but there are some things that aren’t okay. The player will remain anonymous but is expected to be drafted onwards of the later first round. Anyone else in that boat?

You don't have to name the player but could you say what they did?

 

[KinderSmock]

You don't have to name the player but could you say what they did?

They were the ringleader of intense bullying of a kid with a known psychosocial disability. It was extremely psychologically and emotionally damaging to the victim and lasted for a period of almost three years. There were a few instances of physical attacks, too included. He wasn’t the only one but a known ringleader. It reached a point where it wasn’t safe for the victim to be at school and eventually, he was expelled.

Although he was young at the time (14/15), he was old enough to know better and was more than aware of his actions, hence why I’d find it hard to support him at Collingwood, even if I think he is very talented.

 

[Hamingja]

People are reading this wrong.

When Tassie join they will be given some amazing assets to bring in players, they will be flush with high picks and they will overpay in a big way.

Remind me again who Geelong drafted with the #1 pick when GC took the best player in the competition.

Tassie won't give up jack shit, AFL will stack the deck re any compensation.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I hate your reasoning behind some of those?

Agree about Moir - he seems overrated.

But passionately disagree about Stevens. Think he’s worth the punt and hope Collingwood take him. He tore up our VFL side earlier this year.

Sure mate...I'd first like to preface by saying I haven't seen these kids play live.
I have tried to find any video footage I can, I also follow all board D+T experts.

Over the years, I've had pretty good success on our board mock draft. (coincidentally I've got Collingwood this year)
By no means an expert at all, just an avid follower. I love this time of year.


Arie Schoenmaker
His one wood is a long kick, that's about it. Slow and not the best defender. Very best case scenario, a poor mans Birchall.

George Stevens
Very strong but as slow as treacle. I've been guilty in the past of loving the inside bulls. I was/still am a big Priddis fan. I think he'll get found out at the next level. Playing mid, he'll get burnt in pace with two way running. Rhys Mathieson comes to mind. Playing HBF, again I think pace and ability to keep with forwards who are agile and play with guile will be an issue. Maybe Charlie Constable syndrome perhaps? Will dominate at the lower level though.

Caiden Cleary
This one is a little harsher. Great little inside leaning mid but I just don't think he's that far clear for it to be his main role at the next level. Has great endurance but kicking is even more important if he has to play a little more outside. Not a fan of most players with composure too. Touk Miller is is exception rather than the rule.

Riley Hardeman
I think Hardeman is pretty close to a sure thing as you can get to play 100+ games. It's more ceiling with him, I think better can be selected at his predicted range. He'll be serviceable but no star. Maybe a little harsh.

Mitchell Edwards
Edwards is known to have red flags in other areas. Enough, that is a big concern for some in AFL recruiting circles. (not drugs or harming others I've been told). He has a lot of maturing to do but probably has the highest ceiling of all this years rucks.

Luamon Lual
Athletic and pretty quick but no crazily so. Decent but not great defender either. I think others in this draft have a better box of tricks to offer. I'd like him to look a more natural ball winner too.

Ashton Moir
We (Eagles) have been burnt a lot by bottom age, who look a million dollars, then have a weak top age year but we get blinded by what could be. It was supposedly an injury, I wonder if it's a lack of application and will...To have any success at AFL level, first and foremost you have to have desire, will and aa want to be the best. I'm not so sure he does.

I'd still take him with a late pick though.

 

[KinderSmock]

Sure mate...I'd first like to preface by saying I haven't seen these kids play live.
I have tried to find any video footage I can, I also follow all board D+T experts.

Over the years, I've had pretty good success on our board mock draft. (coincidentally I've got Collingwood this year)
By no means an expert at all, just an avid follower. I love this time of year.


Arie Schoenmaker
His one wood is a long kick, that's about it. Slow and not the best defender. Very best case scenario, a poor mans Birchall.

George Stevens
Very strong but as slow as treacle. I've been guilty in the past of loving the inside bulls. I was/still am a big Priddis fan. I think he'll get found out at the next level. Playing mid, he'll get burnt in pace with two way running. Rhys Mathieson comes to mind. Playing HBF, again I think pace and ability to keep with forwards who are agile and play with guile will be an issue. Maybe Charlie Constable syndromeperhaps? Will dominate at the lower level though.

Caiden Cleary
This one is a little harsher. Great little inside leaning mid but I just don't think he's that far clear for it to be his main role at the next level. Has great endurance but kicking is even more important if he has to play a little more outside. Not a fan of most players with composure too. Touk Miller is is exception rather than the rule.

Riley Hardeman
I think Hardeman is pretty close to a sure thing as you can get to play 100+ games. It's more ceiling with him, I think better can be selected at his predicted range. Hell be serviceable but no star. Maybe a little harsh.

Mitchell Edwards
Edwards is known to have red flags in other areas. Enough, that is a big concern for some in AFL recruiting circles. (not drugs or harming others I've been told). He has a lot of maturing to do but probably has the highest ceiling of all this years rucks.

Luamon Lual
Athletic and pretty quick but no crazily so. Decent but not great defender either. I think others in this draft have a better box of tricks to offer. I'd like him to look a more natural ball winner too.

Ashton Moir
We (Eagles) have been burnt a lot by bottom age, who look a million dollars, then have a weak top age year but we get blinded by what could be. It was supposedly an injury, I wonder if it's a lack of application and will...To have any success at AFL level, first and foremost you have to have desire, will and aa want to be the best. I'm not so sure he does.

I'd still take him with a late pick though.

That’s interesting.

What’s the story with Edwards?

Couple of boys in this year’s class come with baggage it seems.

 

[RUNVS]

They were the ringleader of intense bullying of a kid with a known psychosocial disability. It was extremely psychologically and emotionally damaging to the victim and lasted for a period of almost three years. There were a few instances of physical attacks, too included. He wasn’t the only one but a known ringleader. It reached a point where it wasn’t safe for the victim to be at school and eventually, he was expelled.

Although he was young at the time (14/15), he was old enough to know better and was more than aware of his actions, hence why I’d find it hard to support him at Collingwood, even if I think he is very talented.

Wow. Whoever that piece of shit is I hope he does an ACL in his first year and never plays a game.

 

[ArdentEagle]

They were the ringleader of intense bullying of a kid with a known psychosocial disability. It was extremely psychologically and emotionally damaging to the victim and lasted for a period of almost three years. There were a few instances of physical attacks, too included. He wasn’t the only one but a known ringleader. It reached a point where it wasn’t safe for the victim to be at school and eventually, he was expelled.

Although he was young at the time (14/15), he was old enough to know better and was more than aware of his actions, hence why I’d find it hard to support him at Collingwood, even if I think he is very talented.

If there is one thing I hate, it's ****ing bullies. I always took upon myself to sort out people like that back in the day.
Picking on the defenceless, timid and weak is pathetic and gutless.

Please don't say it's Charlie Edwards??? I just selected him for you in our board MD.
Not a WA boy by chance?

 

[the big lebowski]

Wow. Whoever that piece of s**t is I hope he does an ACL in his first year and never plays a game.

Hmmm why not hope he matures and learns from his mistakes as a CHILD and goes on to make a positive difference in the world?

 

[RUNVS]

Hmmm why not hope he matures and learns from his mistakes as a CHILD and goes on to make a positive difference in the world?

How often do people like that do that? Someone who bullies a disabled child that badly is pretty rotten to the core.

 

[Sphynx]

Sure mate...I'd first like to preface by saying I haven't seen these kids play live.
I have tried to find any video footage I can, I also follow all board D+T experts.

Over the years, I've had pretty good success on our board mock draft. (coincidentally I've got Collingwood this year)
By no means an expert at all, just an avid follower. I love this time of year.


Arie Schoenmaker
His one wood is a long kick, that's about it. Slow and not the best defender. Very best case scenario, a poor mans Birchall.

George Stevens
Very strong but as slow as treacle. I've been guilty in the past of loving the inside bulls. I was/still am a big Priddis fan. I think he'll get found out at the next level. Playing mid, he'll get burnt in pace with two way running. Rhys Mathieson comes to mind. Playing HBF, again I think pace and ability to keep with forwards who are agile and play with guile will be an issue. Maybe Charlie Constable syndrome perhaps? Will dominate at the lower level though.

Caiden Cleary
This one is a little harsher. Great little inside leaning mid but I just don't think he's that far clear for it to be his main role at the next level. Has great endurance but kicking is even more important if he has to play a little more outside. Not a fan of most players with composure too. Touk Miller is is exception rather than the rule.

Riley Hardeman
I think Hardeman is pretty close to a sure thing as you can get to play 100+ games. It's more ceiling with him, I think better can be selected at his predicted range. He'll be serviceable but no star. Maybe a little harsh.

Mitchell Edwards
Edwards is known to have red flags in other areas. Enough, that is a big concern for some in AFL recruiting circles. (not drugs or harming others I've been told). He has a lot of maturing to do but probably has the highest ceiling of all this years rucks.

Luamon Lual
Athletic and pretty quick but no crazily so. Decent but not great defender either. I think others in this draft have a better box of tricks to offer. I'd like him to look a more natural ball winner too.

Ashton Moir
We (Eagles) have been burnt a lot by bottom age, who look a million dollars, then have a weak top age year but we get blinded by what could be. It was supposedly an injury, I wonder if it's a lack of application and will...To have any success at AFL level, first and foremost you have to have desire, will and aa want to be the best. I'm not so sure he does.

I'd still take him with a late pick though.

Stevens isn’t treacle slow.

Far from it actually.

I don’t get why you think he will get burnt with the running on an AFL field, he runs a 6:17 2km

It’s one of the larger myths getting around at the moment, in fact if you took into consideration his 100kg frame, he’s actually one of the best athletes in the pool.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Stevens isn’t treacle slow.

Far from it actually.

He looks slow as. I know he has good endurance though.

What was his 20m mate? Agility times too?

 

[Sphynx]

He looks slow as. I know he has good endurance though.

What was his 20m mate? Agility times too?

3.09

8.62.

Quicker and more agile than Archie Roberts who’s considered a half back with toe.

And he ran an excellent 2km of 6:17

He has the longest wingspan in the draft relative to his height also.

 

[ArdentEagle]

3.09

8.62.

Quicker and more agile than Archie Roberts who’s considered a half back with toe.

And he ran an excellent 2km of 6:17

Quicker than I thought over 20m. Okay agility but no great though I thought?

Some players test quick but play slow. That's how he looks to me.

If not, what out hey!

 

[Sphynx]

Quicker than I thought over 20m. Okay agility but no great though I thought?

Some players test quick but play slow. That's how he looks to me.

If not, what out hey!

That agility time is well above average for the combine testing

 

[ArdentEagle]

That agility time is well above average for the combine testing

Where would you rank him?
Its funny, he looks on field, slower and less agile than Hall

 

[KinderSmock]

If there is one thing I hate, it's ******* bullies. I always took upon myself to sort out people like that back in the day.
Picking on the defenceless, timid and weak is pathetic and gutless.

Please don't say it's Charlie Edwards??? I just selected him for you in our board MD.
Not a WA boy by chance?

No it’s not Charlie Edwards at all.

 

[KinderSmock]

Hmmm why not hope he matures and learns from his mistakes as a CHILD and goes on to make a positive difference in the world?

Child or not, at 15, when the worst of it happened, he was aware of his actions. He’s not the first or the last person to bully someone and yes, he can turn his life around. For his sake, I hope it happens. But for me personally, I’d prefer for him not to be at Collingwood given I’m close with the victim’s family. He will be drafted - I’d be shocked if it doesn’t happen - so the ball’s in his court.

 

[Caligo]

Remind me again who Geelong drafted with the #1 pick when GC took the best player in the competition.

Tassie won't give up jack s**t, AFL will stack the deck re any compensation.

Fremantle got the number 2 pick for a plodder only a few years after they joined the league. The AFL might do a compo system like they did with gc/gws, or they might give tsssie infinite picks to trade for players (like they did the second time round with gc).

Also curious how fears about go home factors and compo might shape drafting of specific players over the next few years, particularly Tasmanians.

I think the compo system is more likely, but the afl might decide on a different system. It is at least possible. I am genuinely curious how they do it, since an argument could be made that what they tried both succeeded (gws) and failed (gc) despite being fairly similar (I do think gws did get at least somewhat more overall, especially early).

 

[RUNVS]

Child or not, at 15, when the worst of it happened, he was aware of his actions. He’s not the first or the last person to bully someone and yes, he can turn his life around. For his sake, I hope it happens. But for me personally, I’d prefer for him not to be at Collingwood given I’m close with the victim’s family. He will be drafted - I’d be shocked if it doesn’t happen - so the ball’s in his court.

I wish you could just say his name. I think a spotlight deserves to be on him, and clubs deserve to know what they could potentially be getting if they draft him.