Analysis Who Is The Greatest Docker In History According To The Doig Medal Results

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Has the points voting system changed? If it hasn’t, Maybe you could use that to calculate the real points per game played metric (bit like Brownlow point averages per game) I have a feeling some of those top 10 finishers should be worth more than others. You’d obviously need all the years points data though, so may be a bit tough.
I've been thinking about this more, because some of the numbers just seem whack.

Doig voting criteria, as per the 2015 Doig winner story from club site:

Doig Medal voting criteria:

Following each match, the five club coaches give each player a vote from zero to five based on the player’s performance.

5 votes – Outstanding – elite performance
4 votes – Excellent – exceptional influence on the match
3 votes – Very good – strong contribution that influenced the match
2 votes – Good – fulfilled the role and made a solid contribution
1 vote – Fair – fulfilled the role asked
0 votes

Note: Any players rested for the round 23 match against Port Adelaide received his average vote for the season.


In 2023, it was just the 4 coaches awarding votes. That means that this season a player could earn up to a maximum of 460 votes (5 votes x 4 coaches x 23 games). It also means that Serong, who played 22 games this season (=440 max) and earned 222 votes, was awarded only a fraction more than 50% of the maximum votes, averaging 10.09 votes per game played (av. 2.52 per coach per game). Given how consistent he was all season, it seems unlikely that Serong was at any stage awarded more than 3 votes per coach for any given game.

In 2022, Brayshaw — winner of the AFLPA MVP — earned 273 votes from a maximum of 600 (5 votes x 5 coaches x 24 games (22 H&A + 2 finals)) or 45.5% of available votes, averaging 11.38 a game at 2.28 per coach.

Harsh?

"Brayshaw had two 20-vote games in round six against Carlton and round 12 against Brisbane.

He polled votes in every game and had 15-votes or more on 10 occasions."


In 2019, Fyfe — Brownlow medalist — earned 272 votes, ahead of runner-up Michael Walters (238), from 20 games (=500 max), or 54%, averaging 13.6/25 and 2.72/5.

2.72/5 for the Brownlow medalist! Allowing for three or four off games, we can surmise that the coaches were either largely handing out 3/5 for his performances, or a number of 4/5 offset by some 2/5. At any rate, it seems that 4/5 is about the most that a BOG performance from the eventual Brownlow medalist could hope to earn, given that Walters "was the only player to be awarded a maximum 25 out of a possible 25 votes in a single game for his six-goal and 25-disposal performance against Port Adelaide in round 13." (Walters averaged 10.81/25 or 2.16/5.)


Is it just me, or is this just a bit whack?

All of this also means that Frederick, say, who came in 10th this year with 112 votes from his 19 games, averaged 5.89/20 or 1.47/5 from each coach.

It looks like most players in any given game get no votes. Possibly, a different story in a winning season (Lobb at 10th with 161 votes last year; McPharlin at 10th with 198 in 2015), but it still looks like Doig votes are no more plentiful than AFLCA votes.
 

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I've been thinking about this more, because some of the numbers just seem whack.

Doig voting criteria, as per the 2015 Doig winner story from club site:




In 2023, it was just the 4 coaches awarding votes. That means that this season a player could earn up to a maximum of 460 votes (5 votes x 4 coaches x 23 games). It also means that Serong, who played 22 games this season (=440 max) and earned 222 votes, was awarded only a fraction more than 50% of the maximum votes, averaging 10.09 votes per game played (av. 2.52 per coach per game). Given how consistent he was all season, it seems unlikely that Serong was at any stage awarded more than 3 votes per coach for any given game.

In 2022, Brayshaw — winner of the AFLPA MVP — earned 273 votes from a maximum of 600 (5 votes x 5 coaches x 24 games (22 H&A + 2 finals)) or 45.5% of available votes, averaging 11.38 a game at 2.28 per coach.

Harsh?

"Brayshaw had two 20-vote games in round six against Carlton and round 12 against Brisbane.

He polled votes in every game and had 15-votes or more on 10 occasions."


In 2019, Fyfe — Brownlow medalist — earned 272 votes, ahead of runner-up Michael Walters (238), from 20 games (=500 max), or 54%, averaging 13.6/25 and 2.72/5.

2.72/5 for the Brownlow medalist! Allowing for three or four off games, we can surmise that the coaches were either largely handing out 3/5 for his performances, or a number of 4/5 offset by some 2/5. At any rate, it seems that 4/5 is about the most that a BOG performance from the eventual Brownlow medalist could hope to earn, given that Walters "was the only player to be awarded a maximum 25 out of a possible 25 votes in a single game for his six-goal and 25-disposal performance against Port Adelaide in round 13." (Walters averaged 10.81/25 or 2.16/5.)


Is it just me, or is this just a bit whack?

All of this also means that Frederick, say, who came in 10th this year with 112 votes from his 19 games, averaged 5.89/20 or 1.47/5 from each coach.

It looks like most players in any given game get no votes. Possibly, a different story in a winning season (Lobb at 10th with 161 votes last year; McPharlin at 10th with 198 in 2015), but it still looks like Doig votes are no more plentiful than AFLCA votes.
My assumption is that the mids don't poll many votes from the forward and defense coach?

Maybe a mids coach, forwards coach, defense coach and then and all round performance coach (JL)?

Doesn't explain when we had 5 coaches voting though
 
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"Hey Bob, what's changed in your spready?"

Good question, anonymous Freo poster. Let's have a butcher's...

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Caleb Serong becomes the sixth person to win multiple Doigs, joining Messers Neale & Sandilands on two but some distance off the six that Matthew Pavlich has.

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The top 3 results has Andy Brayshaw (equal 6th) & Caleb Serong (equal 8th) in the top ten Dockers, while Hayden Young debuts here.

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Andy's also 6th all time according to the top 5 votes and Caleb is equal 7th. Hayden Young makes the top 30 while Josh Treacy, Sam Switkowski & Jordan Clark debut.


For the top 10 placings, Andy moves up to 9th all time, Luke Ryan to 12th, Caleb to 13th, Hayden to equal 30th, Alex Pearce to equal 36th, Switta to equal 44th, Luke Jackson to equal 54th, Jordan Clark to equal 56th, and Brandon Walker joins Josh Treacy in debuting.

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In terms of points per years making the top 10, Sean Darcy winning the Doig but not making the top 10 any other year sees him out in front here, although this plummets in points per season played (1.25). Andy (7.5) & Caleb (7.4) again have healthy scores here.

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Speaking of points per season, Caleb now has the most of all of the 103 players to have made the top 10! Andy is fifth and Luke Ryan is tenth, while Luke Jackson has a very respectable 4.5 points per season to sit 13th all time and Hayden Young is equal 22nd alongside Peter Mann.

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Finally in points per games played, Caleb jumps to second all time behind Peter Bell, with Andy in seventh. Luke Ryan (13th) & Hayden Young (20th) are in the top 20 while Luke Jackson is not far off in 23rd.

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"Hey Bob, what's changed in your spready?"

Good question, anonymous Freo poster. Let's have a butcher's...


Caleb Serong becomes the sixth person to win multiple Doigs, joining Messers Neale & Sandilands on two but some distance off the six that Matthew Pavlich has.


The top 3 results has Andy Brayshaw (equal 6th) & Caleb Serong (equal 8th) in the top ten Dockers, while Hayden Young debuts here.


Andy's also 6th all time according to the top 5 votes and Caleb is equal 7th. Hayden Young makes the top 30 while Josh Treacy, Sam Switkowski & Jordan Clark debut.


For the top 10 placings, Andy moves up to 9th all time, Luke Ryan to 12th, Caleb to 13th, Hayden to equal 30th, Alex Pearce to equal 36th, Switta to equal 44th, Luke Jackson to equal 54th, Jordan Clark to equal 56th, and Brandon Walker joins Josh Treacy in debuting.


In terms of points per years making the top 10, Sean Darcy winning the Doig but not making the top 10 any other year sees him out in front here, although this plummets in points per season played (1.25). Andy (7.5) & Caleb (7.4) again have healthy scores here.


Speaking of points per season, Caleb now has the most of all of the 103 players to have made the top 10! Andy is fifth and Luke Ryan is tenth, while Luke Jackson has a very respectable 4.5 points per season to sit 13th all time and Hayden Young is equal 22nd alongside Peter Mann.


Finally in points per games played, Caleb jumps to second all time behind Peter Bell, with Andy in seventh. Luke Ryan (13th) & Hayden Young (20th) are in the top 20 while Luke Jackson is not far off in 23rd.

Doesn't this just measure who was the most dominant Docker over their peers of their era though? Two great players sharing accolades during their career will score less than one marginally lesser player with no competition.
 
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Doesn't this just measure who was the most dominant Docker over their peers of their era though? Two great players sharing accolades during their career will score less than one marginally lesser player with no competition.
Yes. But also, no.
 

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