Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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Mr Mojo Risin said:
Doubt it TBH.
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Honour among coaches wouldn't extend this far? Fair enough. Either way I think Hirds involvement would figure in some calculations in various ways - to the extent that unless the club definitely wanted him a "previous Essendon coaches need not apply" message would have been intelligent.

It will be interesting what comes out in the wash up - and if any experienced senior coaches actually have a crack.
 
CBombers17 said:
Honour among coaches wouldn't extend this far? Fair enough. Either way I think Hirds involvement would figure in some calculations in various ways - to the extent that unless the club definitely wanted him a "previous Essendon coaches need not apply" message would have been intelligent.

It will be interesting what comes out in the wash up - and if any experienced senior coaches actually have a crack.
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I don’t think other experienced coaches give a shit about honouring Hird. As for respect most would say there’s not a chance what happened with saga would’ve happened under their watch. I think some here have Hird on too big a pedestal
 

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CBombers17 said:
Not sure if this question has been posed on here already but is there any chance the experienced coaches are staying away from the role out of courtesy for Hird? A bit like dating your mates Ex?

There might be a bit of a consensus among the coaching fraternity that he was hard done by and if Essendon want him in any way (and Senior coaching experience) to keep out of it - or hang back until genuinely engaged by the club.
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I think you’re way overestimating how much others base their actions and thoughts around Hird.

In the end prospective coaches are going to look after themselves.

It’s way more likely people are declaring non-interest either because it doesn’t suit their lives at the point, or they look at Essendon in its current state and conclude they don’t want to it touch it with a ten foot pole (and honestly, who could blame them?).
 
CBombers17 said:
Not sure if this question has been posed on here already but is there any chance the experienced coaches are staying away from the role out of courtesy for Hird? A bit like dating your mates Ex?

There might be a bit of a consensus among the coaching fraternity that he was hard done by and if Essendon want him in any way (and Senior coaching experience) to keep out of it - or hang back until genuinely engaged by the club.
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only if the coaching fraternity has suddenly changed so that the make is only Essendon board members, fans and rich people
 
ant555 said:
Not likely to be interviewed until the next round of presentations.
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“Round” like just more interviews or like the next stage of the process?

Are we taking last Wednesday to be the first round that the experienced senior coaches don’t have to do?
 
Doss said:
I think you’re way overestimating how much others base their actions and thoughts around Hird.

In the end prospective coaches are going to look after themselves.

It’s way more likely people are declaring non-interest either because it doesn’t suit their lives at the point, or they look at Essendon in its current state and conclude they don’t want to it touch it with a ten foot pole (and honestly, who could blame them?).
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Perhaps but I think Hird represents a clear risk that has been well proven to be present with Essendon appointments for 15 years (for unsuspecting candidates). Avoiding that can be a way of looking after yourself.

None of this was helped by the President's loose actions either. This perception is a clear one in the market though and have we helped overcome it? As I've said elsewhere perceptions may come out later..
 
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Schnitzengruben said:
The whole "aura" aspect is true and found in very few people. But it largely encompasses Hird's biggest strength - developing and cultivating personal relationships, which is severely underrated by a lot of people. You can't quantify that on a resume and really it's what makes or breaks most coaches, in the long run. I still maintain that the man-manager skills of Hird with a panel of gun technical assistants would be a great combination, better than a team of solely the latter.

One of the biggest failings of our recent 2 coaches was the inability to get buy in from the team, and another greenhorn in Yze faces the same dilemma. I have much more faith in a guy like Hird to get buy in from the group, much like he did during his last tenure. He had a pretty crap team running through walls for him. Pyke commanded a similar level of respect, albeit a far more talented team.
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Totally agree, but I think what you and Dermie are referring to is what Max Weber termed 'charismatic authority'. There's an awesome 'In Our Time: Philosophy' podcast ep on it: BBC Radio 4 - In Our Time, Charisma
 
Lore said:
“Round” like just more interviews or like the next stage of the process?

Are we taking last Wednesday to be the first round that the experienced senior coaches don’t have to do?
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Round or next stage. I would think any experienced coaches interested would be doing the next stage.
 
ant555 said:
They do not want to coach.
Lyon has a decent media and business profile that makes decent coin. Like last year did not want to do the interviews.
Cameron just out of coaching and not looking to move back from Sydney for family reasons.
Pyke, Sydney still playing finals. Has not yet said yes or no.
Scott. Not likely to be interviewed until the next round of presentations.
Hinkley. Still has a job.
Williams. Not interested.
I think there is a lot of speculation. The coaches that will have to go through the whole process have done interviews. There where not a lot of experienced candidates. The club has not announced exactly who will be interviewed and when so it has all been media asking questions and running with what they know.
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So, going by the criteria set out, the inexperienced set take the scenic route, the experienced get to hop on at the last stop. That's funny because that puts previous senior coach James Hird at the wrong stop entirely, unless his much mooted experience 7 years ago that he holds over other candidates actually dosent apply/exist anymore.
 
Howard Moon said:
So, going by the criteria set out, the inexperienced set take the scenic route, the experienced get to hop on at the last stop. That's funny because that puts previous senior coach James Hird at the wrong stop entirely, unless his much mooted experience 7 years ago that he holds over other candidates actually dosent apply/exist anymore.
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Hird had to come in at the start. He has been back in the AFL system under 12 months and the first 6 months of that was in a leadership consultant role. It was not until McVeigh took over as coach did he was involved in the cut and thrust of the game. There was simply too much gap from when he coached us to the start of this year.
 

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I will say this. I have heard from a few Essendon sources the selection panel has no pressure on it from the board even though the board has asked a few to put their name up. The interviews are totally independent.
Hird was asked to apply but the push was not about him getting the job. They reached out and said if you are interested then we will have you do the interviews. We are not standing in your way. It was more an olive branch than a desperate move to get him as coach.

Personally I do not think he has enough recent experience and the events of the past are still a bit raw given the club is still feeling the effects of decisions made at that time and in the aftermath .
However if Hird does get the job then I am not going to have a massive issue because unless the board goes against everything the process delivers he will be who they consider the best person for the job and will have ticked off all the boxes on they way through.
 
CBombers17 said:
Not sure if this question has been posed on here already but is there any chance the experienced coaches are staying away from the role out of courtesy for Hird? A bit like dating your mates Ex?

There might be a bit of a consensus among the coaching fraternity that he was hard done by and if Essendon want him in any way (and Senior coaching experience) to keep out of it - or hang back until genuinely engaged by the club.
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I think it's more likely they're staying clear because they know the eventual coach is a couple of poor games away from nuffies and coteries agitating to have the coach replaced by Hird.

Schnitzengruben said:
The whole "aura" aspect is true and found in very few people. But it largely encompasses Hird's biggest strength - developing and cultivating personal relationships, which is severely underrated by a lot of people. You can't quantify that on a resume and really it's what makes or breaks most coaches, in the long run. I still maintain that the man-manager skills of Hird with a panel of gun technical assistants would be a great combination, better than a team of solely the latter.

One of the biggest failings of our recent 2 coaches was the inability to get buy in from the team, and another greenhorn in Yze faces the same dilemma. I have much more faith in a guy like Hird to get buy in from the group, much like he did during his last tenure. He had a pretty crap team running through walls for him. Pyke commanded a similar level of respect, albeit a far more talented team.
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Maybe he should put that aura to work coaching a VFL side to a couple of flags and working as a senior assistant at a successful club before he's taken seriously as a senior coach again.
 
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