Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 2

[Robertio]

Yep, the good old days - between 1897 and the present day, when our team plays in more than one third of all Grand Finals contested.

My abacus tells me that's a lot of games of football won...

I'm happy for you mate at least you have something to reminisce about.

 

[Worm4]

Meanwhile, our team just gets it done.

Saints, dockers, giants, bulldogs, bombers or swans. Take your pick

 

[Robertio]

Well we're having fun too, the world was a dark place after those first 3 losses

All the Carlton supporters were sitting in the sun.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Why since 2002 ?

Because that's where the spoons in question started.

What you should be asking is, how come the number of finals appearances did not surpass the number of spoons in such a generously given timeframe?

Deflection.

 

[Fadge]

Saints, dockers, giants, bulldogs, bombers or swans. Take your pick

Yeah, you got me there.

Unfortunately Collingwood don't win EVERY game they play...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yeah, you got me there.

Unfortunately Collingwood don't win EVERY game they play...

Just the live rubbers

 

[Fadge]

Just the live rubbers

Reckon our team is tracking pretty well this year despite:

• with Brisbane, having the shortest pre-season in the history of the competition;
• horrid run of injuries;
• incredibly tough draw;
• being on the wrong side of many a dubious umpiring decision.

Thoughts?

 

[Robertio]

Reckon our team is tracking pretty well this year despite:

• with Brisbane, having the shortest pre-season in the history of the competition;
• horrid run of injuries;
• incredibly tough draw;
• being on the wrong side of many a dubious umpiring decision.

Thoughts?

Nice try but I'm due for my afternoon nap.

 

[Carringbush2010]

A very silly post considering that no television footage exists of your clubs 1920 and 1930's heyday. It's just been the odd flag here and there for Collingwood since then, with a plethora of grand final defeats in between.

Meh, who cares.

We're still top of the heap.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Reckon our team is tracking pretty well this year despite:

• with Brisbane, having the shortest pre-season in the history of the competition;
• horrid run of injuries;
• incredibly tough draw;
• being on the wrong side of many a dubious umpiring decision.

Thoughts?

Possibly the bravest season in VFL/AFL history, any club

 

[Carringbush2010]

The Pies have finished top of the ladder more times than any other club to be fair.

Another comp leading metric no one has mentioned yet.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Maggies have won 16 out of 45 GFs (win rate of around one third)

Carlton have won 16 out of 29 GFs (win rate of more than half)

Loser teams (eg Collingwood) fun fact: Magpies and Essendon are the only team with double digit flags to win less than half of their GFs

 

[Carringbush2010]

At some point the league became professional full-time, I'm running with 1990 when the name changed as the birth of the professional era, close enough

Therefore, professional era (post-Fonz) GF conversion rates:

Pies 43%
Blues 33%

Sorry cobbers but you can't cherry pick timelines.

It's the whole course of the competition or it's nothing, it's alright, we're still top of the heap

 

[RPCB]

Yep, the good old days - between 1897 and the present day, when our team plays in more than one third of all Grand Finals contested.

My abacus tells me that's a lot of games of football won...

Collingwood supporters are now celebrating their Grand Final losses.

 

[Worm4]

Because that's where the spoons in question started.

What you should be asking is, how come the number of finals appearances did not surpass the number of spoons in such a generously given timeframe?

Deflection.

I must be lost. This is a thread about 2024, and doesn't involve Essendon either

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Collingwood supporters are now celebrating their Grand Final losses.

Not sure if you know how finals work but you have to win a lot of games to make all those GFs

Doesn't take much effort to duck the best teams and go out in straight sets Blues-style eg 1975, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1994... [2024?]

Carlton the Straight Sets Kings

 

[Fadge]

Collingwood supporters are now celebrating their Grand Final losses.

And Grand Final wins.

And all the great wins that took them into Grand Finals (which is better than reminiscing about spoons and 11th placed finishes).

 

[Corn Cobbers]

And Grand Final wins.

And all the great wins that took them into Grand Finals (which is better than reminiscing about spoons, straight sets exits and 11th placed finishes).

Efa thumb

 

[Fadge]

Not sure if you know how finals work but you have to win a lot of games to make all those GFs

Doesn't take much effort to duck the best teams and go out in straight sets Blues-style eg 1975, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1994... [2024?]

Carlton the Straight Sets Kings

Jeepers, I hadn't realised that.

Is there another team in the competition with more straight sets exits than Carlton?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Jeepers, I hadn't realised that.

Is there another team in the competition with more straight sets exits than Carlton?

I doubt it, and definitely not in that time frame

Also throw in a hell of a lot of elimination final losses, plus the 1977 and 2022 ladder debacles, and you wonder how they could ever call anyone else "chokers"

 

[Fadge]

I doubt it, and definitely not in that time frame

Also throw in a hell of a lot of elimination final losses, plus the 1977 and 2022 ladder debacles, and you wonder how they could ever call anyone else "chokers"

What happened in 1977 (before my time)?

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Meh, who cares.

We're still top of the heap.

You most certainly aren't top of any heap mate! Unless you're talking about the heap of grand final defeats that is?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

What happened in 1977 (before my time)?

Same as 2022, knocked out in the last round after being in there all year

 

[Fadge]

Same as 2022, knocked out in the last round after being in there all year

So another team 'closed like the Grim Reaper', before the Grim Reaper was even a thing?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So another team 'closed like the Grim Reaper', before the Grim Reaper was even a thing?

Yep after being in the 5 ALL YEAR they got pantsed by 7th placed Footscray and allowed the Swans a rare finals appearance

Not sure if any other club has done this and certainly not twice