Banter Carlton is better in 2024. Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[Fadge]

We lost last weeks game Pies never won it.

Another solid burn from the Carlton brainstrust...

 

[Cleansweep17]

Sorry Carlton fans Pies fans have earned the right to be cocky top 4 guarant… oh wait

 

[Robertio]

Another solid burn from the Carlton brainstrust...

Happens now again, we pulled back a big lead and it was us who had a chance to win it after the siren, it was a moral victory for Carlton.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

We lost last weeks game Pies never won it.

Carlton defeated by Carlton again! You must hate those bast@rds!

 

[Robertio]

Carlton defeated by Carlton again! You must hate those bast@rds!

Sure do

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Sorry Carlton fans Pies fans have earned the right to be cocky top 4 guarant… oh wait

You feeling chirpy now you've got the wooden spoon all sewed up?

 

[Worm4]

3 rounds yet to play and Collingwood clearly have the better form.

Since June Carlton have only beaten North.

Over North by 1 point (win )
Over Blues by 3 point ( win)
Over Tigers by 26 ( win)
By Hawks 66 ( flogging)
By Cats 20 ( comfortable win)
By Essendon 12 ( comfortable)
By suns 11 ( easy)
Yeah , pies going real well lately. Lol
loving the bandaids with this side

 

[Crankyhawk]

Oh.

So you're wanting to change the question from 'who will be better' in 2024 to 'who will finish higher' in 2025?

Is that a concession that the team that finishes a position or two 'higher' may not actually be the 'better' team?

It is more objective though.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

It is more objective though.

How so? Do you think we had exactly the same fixtures?
We didn't get the luxury of playing the bottom teams twice like Carlton did.
Nothing more objective than the head to head results.

 

[Cleansweep17]

You feeling chirpy now you've got the wooden spoon all sewed up?

Richmond just like Carlton know how to draft legendary players. You wouldn’t understand. No McMuffin no Pies.

 

[Crankyhawk]

How so? Do you think we had exactly the same fixtures?
We didn't get the luxury of playing the bottom teams twice like Carlton did.
Nothing more objective than the head to head results.

Sometime teams just look more shit based on who they play and lose to. As there is no way to correct for the variances objective measures should be used; in such an objective thread it would still be reasonable to state that Carlton were only higher on the ladder due to playing dumpster fire sides 2 more times as this would also be an objectively true statement

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Richmond just like Carlton know how to draft legendary players. You wouldn’t understand. No McMuffin no Pies.

With Richmond's sorry crop of under 23 players it's hard to see how you won't go back to back next year.

 

[Cleansweep17]

With Richmond's sorry crop of under 23 players it's hard to see how you won't go back to back next year.

Did you seriously just mention “back to back”?!?!

Bruh you’re in the middle of cooking one

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Sometime teams just look more shit based on who they play and lose to. As there is no way to correct for the variances objective measures should be used; in such an objective thread it would still be reasonable to state that Carlton were only higher on the ladder due to playing dumpster fire sides 2 more times as this would also be an objectively true statement

And to be fair North and West Coast are now competitive. It's only Richmond that are a dumpster fire.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Did you seriously just mention “back to back”?!?!

Bruh you’re in the middle of cooking one

Could well be a threepeat

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Richmond just like Carlton know how to draft legendary players. You wouldn’t understand. No McMuffin no Pies.

"Legendary players" lol

Blues have only drafted ONE PLAYER since 1994 who went on to win a premiership... Josh Kennedy

 

[Madblue]

What does "better" mean again? Best side wins the GF, worst side loses the GF, the rest were all equal? I forget...

FFS its whoever finishes higher on the ladder pure and simple

 

[Cleansweep17]

"Legendary players" lol

Blues have only drafted ONE PLAYER since 1994 who went on to win a premiership... Josh Kennedy

Didn’t realise Blues were founded in 1994. Count the team of the century members and try not to cry.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

"Legendary players" lol

Blues have only drafted ONE PLAYER since 1994 who went on to win a premiership... Josh Kennedy

Two. Zac Touhy

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Didn’t realise Blues were founded in 1994. Count the team of the century members and try not to cry.

Didn't realise any of those guys were "drafted" read a history book ffs

 

[Robertio]

"Legendary players" lol

Blues have only drafted ONE PLAYER since 1994 who went on to win a premiership... Josh Kennedy

You missed Shaun Grigg.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Didn't realise any of those guys were "drafted" read a history book ffs

My bad, I’m not as good at AFL history compared to Pies supporters because the majority of my clubs flags weren’t against milkmen.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

You missed Shaun Grigg.

Kennedy, Touhy, Grigg.
What's the lesson there for Carlton draftees who want to win a flag?

 

[Scritchyscroony]

My bad, I’m not as good at AFL history compared to Pies supporters because the majority of my clubs flags weren’t against milkmen.

This is a thread for supporters of big boy AFL clubs on 16 flags. You don't have the necessary credentials to be posting in here sorry.
Out you go. Best of luck with the rebuild.

 

[PizzaPie]

Thread title should be, Is this a merry-go-round

The thread title isn't clear, 'better' is subjective. However, the criteria in the original post defines better as finishing higher. While the terminology doesn't exactly match official regulations, I don't think there's any reasonable argument that OP meant something different to what is common knowledge that the AFL ladder determines team rankings (and the way rankings are adjusted after the finals series).

As a number of neutrals have posted in here; you can't argue you are better than a team that's beaten you twice in the year.

You can if 'better' is defined by finishing higher, unless you seriously think you could argue that could have meant something other than the way the AFL determines team rankings at the end of the season...?

*I don't know where the first 2024 version post is, but unless the original criteria was changed, here it is:




And rather than argue back and forth using made up definitions, there's this handy resource that can settle the debate:

AFL Regulations





I'm all for the banter, but some serious time has been spent seemingly in a genuine attempt to argue 'better' as being measured by the head to head results... comes across as quite stupid or embarrassingly incapable of accepting (probable but not yet final) defeat.