Who will be better in 2024? Hawthorn or Essendon?

[BomberBoy123]

18 pages a growing.


I'm picturing you fist pumping while singing a few verses of 'Up,up' after writing this. It's very cute.

But while it's a novel and very pretty idea that Essendon would be better than Hawthorn in 2024, can see the allure of you framing it in this way....

An educated supporter - and I'd suggest any neutral supporter reading this somewhat redundant thread - is also going to recognize that the stigma of being the league's lowest functioning basket case this century is the kind of stain that you just can't wash away with a few seasons of nice home and away results.

Unfortunately respect and being 'better' is built on high concepts such as winning finals, or not being taken to court because you're trying to inject your team with success.

Keep going lovely, it just emphasises the point Essendon currently have a better football team than Hawthorn, full points for trying though.

 

[toomanysquibs]

So if Essendon win more games are they better in 2024?

It's always about going in circles with you guys. Read up first.

 

[boncer34]

It's always about going in circles with you guys. Read up first.

I did.

So if Essendon win more games are they better in 2024?

 

[toomanysquibs]

Keep going lovely, it just emphasises the point Essendon currently have a better football team than Hawthorn, full points for trying though.

You sound like you have winged monkey's you're about to send out to get me.

But if you take the costume off, go back and read my posts thoughtfully you'd see that: a) this is literally the exact opposite of the point I've taken great pains to explain, and b) while I appreciate you calling me lovely, I don't really see how a random attempt at flattery is strengthening your undeniably absurd position.

Essendon are taking a few small steps away from their long-held position as the AFL's card carrying basket case.

It's great. But does it need an 18 page thread comparing them to an actual, real footy club?

 

[BomberBoy123]

You sound like you have winged monkey's you're about to send out to get me.

But if you take the costume off, go back and read my posts thoughtfully you'd see that: a) this is literally the exact opposite of the point I've taken great pains to explain, and b) while I appreciate you calling me lovely, I don't really see how a random attempt at flattery is strengthening your undeniably absurd position.

Essendon are taking a few small steps away from their long-held position as the AFL's card carrying basket case.

It's great. But does it need an 18 page thread comparing them to an actual, real footy club?

I am guessing you’d be pretty horrified to have lost your last 4 and last 6 of 7 to said basket case then?

 

[toomanysquibs]

I am guessing you’d be pretty horrified to have lost your last 4 and last 6 of 7 to said basket case then?

I'd be horrified beyond redemption if my club had been the basket case in question.

But if you were a football fan, you'd know that losses aren't the actual problem.

It's real momentum that counts - not just running on the spot to rise up to mid table mediocrity, on towards another yawning false dawn.

You probably can't remember, but a team will lose games even during its premiership years.

So I'm guessing you don't see the irony in the basket case crowing about a few home and away wins, while comparing themselves to the Gold standard Premiership winning team of the entire AFL era.

 

[JayJ20]

“cOntInUe tHE obSeSSion”

Some Essendon dolt claims that the players were scapegoats and that James shoud be pardoned every 3 months, and we keep laughing.

Ok so keep it on your board, which is what I said to the OP. It has nothing to do with who is better in 2024 between Hawthorn and Essendon.

 

[BomberBoy123]

I'd be horrified beyond redemption if my club had been the basket case in question.

But if you were a football fan, you'd know that losses aren't the actual problem.

It's real momentum that counts - not just running on the spot to rise up to mid table mediocrity, on towards another yawning false dawn.

You probably can't remember, but a team will lose games even during its premiership years.

So I'm guessing you don't see the irony in the basket case crowing about a few home and away wins, while comparing themselves to the Gold standard Premiership winning team of the entire AFL era.

You haven’t won or played in a grand final for coming up to a decade, dude your club isn’t the gold standard you think it is, it’s actually become quite irrelevant in recent times, a very mediocre playing list and a bamboozled ex champion trying to be a coach.

 

[toomanysquibs]

You haven’t won or played in a grand final for coming up to a decade, dude your club isn’t the gold standard you think it is, it’s actually become quite irrelevant in recent times, a very mediocre playing list and a bamboozled ex champion trying to be a coach.

This type of thinking is exactly why someone baited you guys with a troll thread in the first place.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ok so keep it on your board, which is what I said to the OP. It has nothing to do with who is better in 2024 between Hawthorn and Essendon.

Who brought it up??

 

[JayJ20]

Who brought it up??

Surely you're not serious but here it is in bold.

This is about the most misleading poll I've seen on big footy.

You can't measure who is better based on wins over one season.

Essendon has been a basket case - in the genuine sense of that word, for a very, very long time. They've been worse than bad.

They can bank as many wins as they want in 2024, but the jury is still out on how good a club they are in 2024.

Maybe if they win a flag, and some serious humanitarian type gong they'd be in the frame.

As it stand now, aren't they just a club with more convicted criminals or drug cheating program organizers on their past senior coaching roll during the last 10-14 years, than every other club combined?

Ironically enough, they're also the only club I'm aware of to have falsely dobbed in another club for drug cheating.

If that is all correct, doesn't it kind of overshadow anything they've done on field for two odd decades by some margin?

To which I replied:

Hawthorn board. Specifically that Essendon obsession thread.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Surely you're not serious but here it is in bold.

To which I replied:

I’m talking about the sooking about a club board thread.

 

[JayJ20]

I’m talking about the sooking about a club board thread.

I don't have time to go back and forth with this.

 

[Chief Hopper]

I'd be horrified beyond redemption if my club had been the basket case in question.

But if you were a football fan, you'd know that losses aren't the actual problem.

It's real momentum that counts - not just running on the spot to rise up to mid table mediocrity, on towards another yawning false dawn.

You probably can't remember, but a team will lose games even during its premiership years.

So I'm guessing you don't see the irony in the basket case crowing about a few home and away wins, while comparing themselves to the Gold standard Premiership winning team of the entire AFL era.

If Hawks were playing better then the Dons, I could maybe understand all this bluster.

But whats this about real momentum? Do you mean Hawks are going in the right direction going backwards?
Are you cheering on Hawks to be the worst team in the league?

You likely wont understand this, but the final chapter of the drugs saga is the Dons rising again, beating teams, and exposing opposing supporters who are still bitter about the whole ordeal. It's going to be very hard for those types to stay sane when they can't lord it over like they used to.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It is over an 8 week period….

If they are only 3.5 wins behind us at seasons end the fair enough, but it’s likely to be closer to 10 by then.

More unlikely than likely.

Data algorithms project Bombers to have 12 wins and Hawks to win 8.

 

[BomberBoy123]

More unlikely than likely.

Data algorithms project Bombers to have 12 wins and Hawks to win 8.

You’ll be lucky to start favourite in 4 of your remaining matches, highly doubt you’ll be winning 6 of them.

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

More unlikely than likely.

Data algorithms project Bombers to have 12 wins and Hawks to win 8.

These aren't the same algorithms that keep plastering my instagram with Taylor Swift content?

They're ****ing useless.

P.s how do I make it stop?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You’ll be lucky to start favourite in 4 of your remaining matches, highly doubt you’ll be winning 6 of them.

Because starting favourite matters.

 

[BomberBoy123]

Because starting favourite matters.

It doesn’t guarantee anything but it’s a fair indicator of what the expectations are, what are you basing your 6 more wins off?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Hawthorn remind me of Essendon about 15 years back.
The fallen powerhouse. Supporters with an absolute belief that it is only a matter of time before they rocket back up the ladder. Proclaiming mediocre/good players as the next coming. (Newcombe, Nash, Lewis, Day etc). Favourite son returns as coach full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

oh crud are we about to have a supplement program...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It doesn’t guarantee anything but it’s a fair indicator of what the expectations are, what are you basing your 6 more wins off?

The Squiggle/Wheelo algorithms and data projections as well as a few CD stats regarding our ball use and transition that are looking healthy too, despite our injuries.

 

[Don Won]

18 pages a growing.


I'm picturing you fist pumping while singing a few verses of 'Up,up' after writing this. It's very cute.

But while it's a novel and very pretty idea that Essendon would be better than Hawthorn in 2024, there's a reason why you can't resist the allure of framing it in this way....

Namely that an educated supporter - and I'd suggest any neutral supporter reading this somewhat redundant thread - is also going to recognize that the stigma of being the league's lowest functioning basket case this century is the kind of stain that you just can't wash away with a few seasons of nice home and away results.

Unfortunately respect and being 'better' is built on high concepts such as winning finals, or not being taken to court because you're trying to inject your team with success.

Hey ChatGPT rewrite in UK English.

 

[BomberBoy123]

The Squiggle/Wheelo algorithms and data projections as well as a few CD stats regarding our ball use and transition that are looking healthy too, despite our injuries.

The one that came out with James Sicily as being a good bloke? It’s clearly flawed.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Who’s your top end talent?

It’s a pointless question because talent is subjective I could name a heap of players and there could be conflict based off subjective opinion of talent.

Forwards
Lewis, Ginnivan, Moore, Watson, MacDonald, Dear
Midfielders
Day, Newcombe, Mackenzie, Ward, Hustwaite, Worpel (not super young), D’Ambrosio, Meek (RUCK)
Defenders
Weddle, Scrimshaw, Mitchell, Jiath, McCabe, Grainger-Barras, Blanck

From this list there’s clear top end talent with
Day, Newcombe, Watson, Weddle, MacKenzie, Ward, Lewis, Moore

Some that you could argue but Connor MacDonald, Ginnivan, Dear, Scrimshaw & Mitchell? Who could be top liners for their positions (Mitchell for example small lockdown and running defender in the Saad mould).

And there’s players who have the talent like DGB, McCabe, Jiath (injuries or too soon)

As I said purely subjective but to suggest an AFL club doesn’t have any top end talent is laughable.

 

[BomberBoy123]

It’s a pointless question because talent is subjective I could name a heap of players and there could be conflict based off subjective opinion of talent.

Forwards
Lewis, Ginnivan, Moore, Watson, MacDonald, Dear
Midfielders
Day, Newcombe, Mackenzie, Ward, Hustwaite, Worpel (not super young), D’Ambrosio, Meek (RUCK)
Defenders
Weddle, Scrimshaw, Mitchell, Jiath, McCabe, Grainger-Barras, Blanck

From this list there’s clear top end talent with
Day, Newcombe, Watson, Weddle, MacKenzie, Ward, Lewis, Moore

Some that you could argue but Connor MacDonald, Ginnivan, Dear, Scrimshaw & Mitchell? Who could be top liners for their positions (Mitchell for example small lockdown and running defender in the Saad mould).

And there’s players who have the talent like DGB, McCabe, Jiath (injuries or too soon)

As I said purely subjective but to suggest an AFL club doesn’t have any top end talent is laughable.

You just about named every player on your list