Banter Who will be better in 2025, Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[Fadge]

It's a 1-year window.

They have like 9 players 32 or over in their best 22 next year. Pendles & Sidey will be gone end of 2025 - two huge spiritual leaders that are impossible to replace in the space of 12-24 months. Other guys like Elliott, Cox, Howe et al will either also be gone or seriously on their last legs.

No picks to trade with or players with currency to rebuild on the run, only 1 F/S coming in - unsure about NGA players?

They have to improve from 9th to top 4, then hope everything goes right to win the whole thing, then an almighty cliff is coming. Anything less than a flag is a disaster.

Wishful thinking.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Peak bigfooty.

Modern day Carlton fans telling Pies fans how to build a list.

 

[Robertio]

Oh, so we're not falling off a cliff this year, it's now been extended for two years?

Phew! That's a relief!

If you can't see it coming, i can't help you.

 

[Robertio]

Peak bigfooty.

Modern day Carlton fans telling Pies fans how to build a list.

I love this, this is real Bigfooty.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Wishful thinking.

Which part was wrong?

Will Sidey & Pendles play on in 2026?
Will Howe, Cox, Elliott still be around and/or serviceable at AFL level?
Do you have picks & other currency to trade with to replace these players?
You have 1x F/S coming (McGuane), is that incorrect?
Did you not finish 9th? Thus having to improve your position from 9th to Top 4 to be a real shot at the flag?

It's a 1-year shot. A Last Dance approach based on slim hope rather than actual evidence - sorry the evidence is 'we beat brisbane twice in the h&a season'.

 

[Fadge]

Which part was wrong?

Will Sidey & Pendles play on in 2026?
Will Howe, Cox, Elliott still be around and/or serviceable at AFL level?
Do you have picks & other currency to trade with to replace these players?
You have 1x F/S coming (McGuane), is that incorrect?
Did you not finish 9th? Thus having to improve your position from 9th to Top 4 to be a real shot at the flag?

It's a 1-year shot. A Last Dance approach based on slim hope rather than actual evidence - sorry the evidence is 'we beat brisbane twice in the h&a season'.

Go back and read what was written about Collingwood after 2021.

The fact you're hanging your hat on Collingwood finishing 9th in 2024, when there was clearly nothing between Collingwood and the best teams in the competition when we had our game going late in the season, after winning the flag in 2023, shows your desperation.

 

[Fadge]

Owies just interviewed on SEN.

He's certainly much more likeable now than he was 24 hours ago.

 

[Robertio]

Go back and read what was written about Collingwood after 2021.

The fact you're hanging your hat on Collingwood finishing 9th in 2024, when there was clearly nothing between Collingwood and the best teams in the competition when we had our game going late in the season, after winning the flag in 2023, shows your desperation.

You keep saying this but your old players in 2021 will be 4 years older in 2025.

 

[doppleganger]

You want to hope you get a flag in the next two years, you sold the farm again, no draft picks again next year with a F/S expected to go in the top 5, idiotic. Tassie and the cliff coming at the same time.

Sold the farm?

A future first for an AA quality player in their prime!

Plus adding Perryman for nothing.

Will just tell Mick to reign Tom back in a bit so can grab him for a late rounder too

Carlton realise they have peaked so are back rebuilding and developing draft picks.

 

[carlton_99]

Carlton realise they have peaked so are back rebuilding and developing draft picks.

Rebuilding lol - it's called team balance. We want to put ourselves in a position where we can have some sustained success not contend for 2 years and then fall to the bottom 4 again. We will not sell the farm to fill a position that is not a pressing need. With Tasi coming in soon and compromising the draft the time is now to bring in some elite young talent.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Sold the farm?

A future first for an AA quality player in their prime!

Plus adding Perryman for nothing.

Will just tell Mick to reign Tom back in a bit so can grab him for a late rounder too

Carlton realise they have peaked so are back rebuilding and developing draft picks.

Glorious outcome, Pies win trade week again

Hopefully pick up a few more scraps tmw, plenty of spuds out there to turn into premiership players

 

[carlton_99]

Pies win trade week again

Is Dodoro a joke to you?

 

[doppleganger]

Rebuilding lol - it's called team balance. We want to put ourselves in a position where we can have some sustained success not contend for 2 years and then fall to the bottom 4 again. We will not sell the farm to fill a position that is not a pressing need. With Tasi coming in soon and compromising the draft the time is now to bring in some elite young talent.

Sustained success

Crawl before you can run, shoot for a single top4 finish in the 21st century first I reckon.

But the Baggers prefer to be a developmental team, where top 5 draft picks and the promise of 'future potential' is more important than actual results.

Thank **** the Pies are like Geelong and Sydney, teams that want to win, continually bring in mature ready made players and actually challenge for premierships over building for the future.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Rebuilding lol - it's called team balance. We want to put ourselves in a position where we can have some sustained success not contend for 2 years and then fall to the bottom 4 again. We will not sell the farm to fill a position that is not a pressing need. With Tasi coming in soon and compromising the draft the time is now to bring in some elite young talent.

I would not bother trying to reason with this mob.

Apparently trying to acquire a young player to serve your club for 10+ years is rebuilding.

 

[carlton_99]

Sustained success

Crawl before you can run, shoot for a single top4 finish in the 21st century first I reckon.

But the Baggers prefer to be a developmental team, where top 5 draft picks and the promise of 'future potential' is more important than actual results.

Thank **** the Pies are like Geelong and Sydney, teams that want to win, continually bring in mature ready made players and actually challenge for premierships over building for the future.

What are you even talking about - this will only be our 2nd pick inside 25 under Nick Austin who joined at the start of 2020. We have done a heap of recruitment of established players in the past few years. Need to balance it out with some youth.

Common sense really and even better that we get to bring in a top rated draftee into a team which can support them more than a bottom team could.

 

[Fadge]

Rebuilding lol - it's called team balance. We want to put ourselves in a position where we can have some sustained success not contend for 2 years and then fall to the bottom 4 again. We will not sell the farm to fill a position that is not a pressing need. With Tasi coming in soon and compromising the draft the time is now to bring in some elite young talent.

What does 'sustained success' look like for Carlton?

When do you expect this 'sustained success' to begin?

Considering the bloke who has carried your team on his back for the past decade enters his 30's in 2025, and Carlton don't rate players on the wrong side of 30.... Admittedly, given his playing style, his 'cliff' might come quite quickly....

 

[carlton_99]

What does 'sustained success' look like for Carlton?

When do you expect this 'sustained success' to begin?

Considering the bloke who has carried your team on his back for the past decade enters his 30's in 2025, and Carlton don't rate players on the wrong side of 30.... Admittedly, given his playing style, his 'cliff' might come quite quickly....

You just making stuff up again or can you show me where anyone from Carlton has said this?

And yes Cripps does look like he is declining rapidly...

 

[Fadge]

You just making stuff up again or can you show me where anyone from Carlton has said this?

And yes Cripps does look like he is declining rapidly...

Check out all the comments from Carlton supporters about Collingwood's 30 + year old players.

Or is it only an issue for Collingwood players when they reach 30, and not Carlton players?

How many more years do you expect Cripps to continue given his playing style? We see players like him fall off the cliff very quickly. He's no Pendlebury or Sidebottom...

And Cripps is BY FAR the single most important player at your club.

 

[carlton_99]

Check out all the comments from Carlton supporters about Collingwood's 30 + year old players.

Or is it only an issue for Collingwood players when they reach 30, and not Carlton players?

How many more years do you expect Cripps to continue given his playing style? We see players like him fall off the cliff very quickly. He's no Pendlebury or Sidebottom...

And Cripps is BY FAR the single most important player at your club.

Carlton supporters on BF are not "Carlton" firstly.

Secondly, pointing out that a bulk of the Pies' 23 is over 30 as an issue shouldn't be a surprise. In fact it's pretty obvious and the people at Collingwood would know this. They are going all out for another flag whilst they are still there.

Cripps is a very important player to the team and is still playing at a very high level despite being 29. If we had a bulk of our core being 30+year olds I would be concerned but our list demographic is very different. And bringing in good youngsters now ensures that when our 30+ year olds start to decline we have replacements ready to take over that role.

 

[Robertio]

What does 'sustained success' look like for Carlton?

When do you expect this 'sustained success' to begin?

Considering the bloke who has carried your team on his back for the past decade enters his 30's in 2025, and Carlton don't rate players on the wrong side of 30.... Admittedly, given his playing style, his 'cliff' might come quite quickly....

He just won his 2nd Brownlow and is running the best he ever has, he has got another 5 years minimum.

 

[Fadge]

Cripps is a very important player to the team and is still playing at a very high level despite being 29. If we had a bulk of our core being 30+year olds I would be concerned but our list demographic is very different. And bringing in good youngsters now ensures that when our 30+ year olds start to decline we have replacements ready to take over that role.

Carlton's list demographic is indeed very different to that of Collingwood.

We have a 21 year old superstar, who will be at Collingwood for the next decade, with the load spread evenly across the playing group after him.

Carlton are too reliant on too few. Let's see what happens if they lose one or two of their top 6. Actually, we did see what happens when they lose one or two of their top 6 - De Koning followed later by Curnow - it wasn't pretty....

 

[Fadge]

He just won his 2nd Brownlow and is running the best he ever has, he has got another 5 years minimum.

You honestly think you'll get another 5 years at 2024 levels from Cripps?

Oh boy.

 

[Robertio]

Check out all the comments from Carlton supporters about Collingwood's 30 + year old players.

Or is it only an issue for Collingwood players when they reach 30, and not Carlton players?

How many more years do you expect Cripps to continue given his playing style? We see players like him fall off the cliff very quickly. He's no Pendlebury or Sidebottom...

And Cripps is BY FAR the single most important player at your club.

Collingwood have a ton of 30+ year old players, the oldest list in the comp that's what we're saying.

 

[Robertio]

You honestly think you'll get another 5 years at 2024 levels from Cripps?

Oh boy.

Maybe 6.

 

[Fadge]

Collingwood have a ton of 30+ year old players, the oldest list in the comp that's what we're saying.

Maybe one day Carlton might catch on that older and proven is better than younger and unproven...

The older teams have a pretty good record in recent years, have they not?