Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Worm4]

Cripps isn't in the top 50 players all time, probably not the top 100. Nor is his 2024 even in the running for the best season played.

Hard to argue against 12 best on grounds isn't it.
Not sure about your top 100 comment. Blokes won 2 gongs .

 

[Fadge]

Hard to argue against 12 best on grounds isn't it.
Not sure about your top 100 comment. Blokes won 2 gongs .

Where would he rate of all Carlton players?

Is he ahead of any of the following:
Alex Jesaulenko
John Nicholls
Bruce Doull
Stephen Silvagni
Greg Williams
Chris Judd
Ron Barassi
Soapy Vallence
Stephen Kernahan

 

[Cyclops]

they will be tougher opposition than your mob thats for sure!

...you find it less tough losing to us? Careful you'll start enjoying it.

 

[Worm4]

Where would he rate of all Carlton players?

Is he ahead of any of the following:
Alex Jesaulenko
John Nicholls
Bruce Doull
Stephen Silvagni
Greg Williams
Chris Judd
Ron Barassi
Soapy Vallence
Stephen Kernahan

Doull
Williams
Judd
Kernahan
CRIPPS
Silvagni
Jezza
Didn't see the others play

 

[Fadge]

Doull
Williams
Judd
Kernahan
CRIPPS
Silvagni
Jezza
Didn't see the others play

Fair call. Ratings are subjective. (Though not sure many would have him ahead of Jezza).

The bottom line is, Cripps is arguably on the fringe of the best 10 players ever at Carlton.

Extrapolate that out for another 11 to 17 teams, and the claim that he's not in the top 100 of all time isn't that outlandish.

 

[Robertio]

Fair call. Ratings are subjective. (Though not sure many would have him ahead of Jezza).

The bottom line is, Cripps is arguably on the fringe of the best 10 players ever at Carlton.

Extrapolate that out for another 11 to 17 teams, and the claim that he's not in the top 100 of all time isn't that outlandish.

Jezza
Nicholls
Cripps

 

[Scritchyscroony]

In my memoried post Doull lifetime it'd go:
Kernaghan
Williams
Judd
Cripps
Silvagni
Ratten
Bradley
Fev

 

[bradfisher14]

Has The Cripps Shiraz been discussed in here yet?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Hard to argue against 12 best on grounds isn't it.
Not sure about your top 100 comment. Blokes won 2 gongs .

There would be only a handful of Collingwood players all time that are better than Patrick Cripps.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Fair call. Ratings are subjective. (Though not sure many would have him ahead of Jezza).

The bottom line is, Cripps is arguably on the fringe of the best 10 players ever at Carlton.

Extrapolate that out for another 11 to 17 teams, and the claim that he's not in the top 100 of all time isn't that outlandish.

Carlton has one of the most storied historical playing lists of all time. Including 6 players in the AFL team of the Century (if you count Barassi) (that's six from only 21 players selected in that team FYI, or 30% of the team).


Saying that Cripps is on the fringe of the Top 10 of Carlton's history means he would therefore be only on the fringe of the Top 10 of other team's history is laughable.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Has The Cripps Shiraz been discussed in here yet?

Hmmm... this dude got a liquor licence?

 

[Fadge]

There would be only a handful of Collingwood players all time that are better than Patrick Cripps.

Interesting position.

Who are they?

 

[Worm4]

Carlton has one of the most storied historical playing lists of all time. Including 6 players in the AFL team of the Century (if you count Barassi) (that's six from only 21 players selected in that team FYI, or 30% of the team).


Saying that Cripps is on the fringe of the Top 10 of Carlton's history means he would therefore be only on the fringe of the Top 10 of other team's history is laughable.

Yep, put him in a GWS or a Freo guernsey, he is number 1. Would be number 2 behind GAJ Gold Coast and would be top 5 a lot of other clubs .
He is top 100 easily of all time

 

[Drought Break]

Carlton have entered a level of shitness that no other team in the history of the game has come near.

I suggest we need a completely new word to describe how they have performed this century, because it is like nothing we have ever seen before.

Any ideas?

Now be fair. If we are talking about this century which is just about 25 years in Gold Coast suns would be on a similar level?

 

[Fadge]

Carlton has one of the most storied historical playing lists of all time. Including 6 players in the AFL team of the Century (if you count Barassi) (that's six from only 21 players selected in that team FYI, or 30% of the team).


Saying that Cripps is on the fringe of the Top 10 of Carlton's history means he would therefore be only on the fringe of the Top 10 of other team's history is laughable.

I don't dispute that, but even if you go top 5 for every other club, with a few from the 13th to 18th clubs thrown in, Cripps is comfortably outside the top 50 of all time.

It doesn't mean he won't crack it before his career's done, but he's not there yet.

Some team success would help his chances.

 

[JustaBattler]

I see both Cripps and Daicos vote tallies in the Brownlow as a pretty obvious slap in the face to all their fellow team mates tbh.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Interesting position.

Who are they?

Off the top of my head, Pendles and Coventry? There may be a few older ones that I'm not aware of, but I can't really comment on the pre-80's period. Buckley and Peter Daicos likely cover Cripps over their career but both will be surpassed by the end of Cripps' career.

Collingwood never was the club of champions, have had good teams throughout history but rarely superstars.

 

[Lockyer24]

I see both Cripps and Daicos vote tallies in the Brownlow as a pretty obvious slap in the face to all their fellow team mates tbh.

Agree, the umpires have lost the plot

 

[hawkman]

If Carlton don't finish top 4 with that draw, Voss deserves to be sacked

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Blues hit the jackpot again with double-ups against North and West Coast lol, how do they do it?

Charlie licking his lips, Crippa banks 12 votes

 

[Sector 7G]

Fair call. Ratings are subjective. (Though not sure many would have him ahead of Jezza).

The bottom line is, Cripps is arguably on the fringe of the best 10 players ever at Carlton.

Extrapolate that out for another 11 to 17 teams, and the claim that he's not in the top 100 of all time isn't that outlandish.

A quarter of the AFL Team of the Century played for Carlton so it is pretty reasonable to state he is in the top50.

 

[Worm4]

If Carlton don't finish top 4 with that draw, Voss deserves to be sacked

Old mate fadge might have to re assess his ranking of 15th for us

 

[hawkman]

Old mate fadge might have to re assess his ranking of 15th for us

As Hawthorn are death riding you this year I would prefer if you did finish 15th

 

[carlton_99]

Blues hit the jackpot again with double-ups against North and West Coast lol, how do they do it?

Charlie licking his lips, Crippa banks 12 votes

West Coast I would expect to still be pretty poor in 2025 but North should be improving. I don't think they will be the easy beats people expect.

 

[Sector 7G]

Blues hit the jackpot again with double-ups against North and West Coast lol, how do they do it?

Charlie licking his lips, Crippa banks 12 votes

Good to see Pies supporters sooking about the draw before the season has even started.