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Good day, there is a reputable coach by the name of Alastair Clarkson available. We must headhunt immediately! This nonsense must not continue. Curly Sue and Geriatric Paul need to vacate. Kind regards, Fart Pants
External reviews are mostly bullshit. We’re not an internally focused club. Mahoney, Rutten, Caracella, Giansiracusa, Tapping and Tudor are the senior football people. None of them are Essendon people, they’re all external people who’ve been brought in. We don’t need external people telling us how things need to be done - we’ve already hired a whole bunch of them to do the job.
If they fail so be it, but not ready to call that yet.
fair points.Here's the problem with that: we need an external review of the entire club and while the football department may be filled with experienced non-Essendon people that obviously isn't true across the entire club. The Essendon football club, collectively, is poorly run and that filters down to every department and function, including the football department.
We have problems on field. We have problems with recruitment and development. We have problems off-field.
This thread poses the question 'Why are we s**t?' and the answer isn't one single thing. There is no silver bullet that corrects this. It's everything. Essendon is s**t because at every level of the organisation there are issues. There is no single area where Essendon is an industry leader. There is no single area where other clubs are looking at us for innovation or insight. We are a third rate club, pretending to be a powerhouse, convinced we deserve premierships.
An external review - lead by leading industry figures both on-field and off-field - could help address that.
fair points.
it was a little disappointing the board went with Wellman over Mahoney to chair the review. I know it would appear odd to have your Football boss reviewing what he oversees, but Mahoney is exactly the person I'd hand the keys to and say point out what's not working and where it needs fixing....at the end of the day, if he has the freedom to call out the warts and all assessment of how we're structured and what he needs to fix it, I'd be comfortable acting on it.
Has a track record at the Dees, isn't wedded to a lot of the decision making around coaching/recruitment, etc. can't imagine he's got that many ties to board members/coterie groups.
I think more than this, the people at the top are not external people. And all the external people that we've brought in to help fix the problems have been manacled to the wrong things by the (not external) people that they report to.Here's the problem with that: we need an external review of the entire club and while the football department may be filled with experienced non-Essendon people that obviously isn't true across the entire club. The Essendon football club, collectively, is poorly run and that filters down to every department and function, including the football department.
We have problems on field. We have problems with recruitment and development. We have problems off-field.
This thread poses the question 'Why are we s**t?' and the answer isn't one single thing. There is no silver bullet that corrects this. It's everything. Essendon is s**t because at every level of the organisation there are issues. There is no single area where Essendon is an industry leader. There is no single area where other clubs are looking at us for innovation or insight. We are a third rate club, pretending to be a powerhouse, convinced we deserve premierships.
An external review - lead by leading industry figures both on-field and off-field - could help address that.
it's a bit different to Mahoney as the captain of the review saying this isn't working. you need to change this.I assume Mahoney will have the opportunity to convey all those things to Wellman during the review process
it's a bit different to Mahoney as the captain of the review saying this isn't working. you need to change this.
Obviously the board can accept/reject. But at least it's in the review findings.
I guess my issue is long term Essendon people reviewing long term Essendon issues, many of which relate to other long term Essendon people.
Mahoney is less than 18m into his role. Has the rare benefit of already knowing a lot of the ins and outs of the club as well as not being in and of them himself to a large extent.
Ignores whether or not he's the issue. But at this point in time, I'd wager he isn't.
1. There's no such thing as a Roo supporter, if there is I've certainly never met anyCould be a lot worse. Put yoyrselves in the shoes of any Roo supporter.They are gone both on and off the field. They couldn't even compete at VFL level the way they are going
I guess the other part of my scepticism is whether the board is identified as the issue?Mahoney asking people who directly report to him to explain their issues isn't really a review though, maybe Mahoney is an issue (though I agree it's unlikely).
Wellman conducting it, incorporating Mahoney and others' feedback should capture all the issues.
Whether the board then bothers to act on it or buries it is the question.
Here's the problem with that: we need an external review of the entire club and while the football department may be filled with experienced non-Essendon people that obviously isn't true across the entire club. The Essendon football club, collectively, is poorly run and that filters down to every department and function, including the football department.
We have problems on field. We have problems with recruitment and development. We have problems off-field.
This thread poses the question 'Why are we s**t?' and the answer isn't one single thing. There is no silver bullet that corrects this. It's everything. Essendon is s**t because at every level of the organisation there are issues. There is no single area where Essendon is an industry leader. There is no single area where other clubs are looking at us for innovation or insight. We are a third rate club, pretending to be a powerhouse, convinced we deserve premierships.
An external review - lead by leading industry figures both on-field and off-field - could help address that.
I'd tend to agree on a couple of frontsBut really, we don't know that.
Nobody was saying this three months ago. We lose a few games and everybody wants to set fire to the whole joint.
I could easily counter that our club is in INCREDIBLY good shape for one that went through by far the biggest and most drawn-out shitstorm in the history of professional sport in Australia just a few years ago. Off the field an AFL club is a corporate entity and that stuff rocks the foundations of the place.
What is clear is we're having a very poor season so far on-field. Do all the current football people need to be shipped out, or are we simply a young, rebuilding team that needs to work thru this and are these experienced football people with external success at multiple other clubs capable of doing that successfully?
Everything else is pretty much just supposition.
General manager of football is Mahoney's job and if he's not already pointing out things that need improving, that's a problem. What is also a problem is the club reviewing itself. It needs an independent viewpoint, best practices and industry standards from experts outside the Essendon bubble. This Essendon bubble is the problem!fair points.
it was a little disappointing the board went with Wellman over Mahoney to chair the review. I know it would appear odd to have your Football boss reviewing what he oversees, but Mahoney is exactly the person I'd hand the keys to and say point out what's not working and where it needs fixing....at the end of the day, if he has the freedom to call out the warts and all assessment of how we're structured and what he needs to fix it, I'd be comfortable acting on it.
Has a track record at the Dees, isn't wedded to a lot of the decision making around coaching/recruitment, etc. can't imagine he's got that many ties to board members/coterie groups.
General manager of football is Mahoney's job and if he's not already pointing out things that need improving, that's a problem. What is also a problem is the club reviewing itself. It needs an independent viewpoint, best practices and industry standards from experts outside the Essendon bubble. This Essendon bubble is the problem!
Also, Mahoney's record at Melbourne wasn't the greatest, so much so that he was demoted during his time there. It speaks volumes that they went on to win a premiership after he left.
A guy like Clarkson has the ability to identify and address a lot of the onfield issues at Essendon, not just the coaching side of things. Other Essendon legends should be joining Lloyd in pushing for change.
Regards
Fart Pants
Agree.We decided there was an issue with footy. We sacked Richardson and headhunted Mahoney.
What now? Oh here’s somebody to tell you what to do.
I mean really, we need to let the bloke do his job. It takes time
And we have bingoI would say the only external review needed would be for the board and the unhealthy outside influence some parties outside the board have on running the club.
Walla and Smith in particular a pretty big factor in our defensive pressure up the ground too I think (see article above).Cliff came very quickly for Hurley, Heppell, Tippa and Dev
Champion Data looks to have coughed up some defensive numbers for an AFL article this morning:
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Dons' defensive downslide reaches record lows
Essendon's defence has come under severe scrutiny, with the Bombers conceding on average 94.8 points a game this seasonwww.afl.com.au
Walla and Smith in particular a pretty big factor in our defensive pressure up the ground too I think (see article above).
We all knew this was coming after round 1
I think I was looking up who were the best prospects in the draft at half-time. Don't think I've ever given up on a season faster.Year was effectively over at qtr time of round 1.