Society/Culture Why are young males now more right wing then older males?

[dorianyates]

Nothing to do with high rates of divorce where many boys no longer have a meaningful relationship with their father?

Nothing to do with the decline of male teachers who were also often role models?

Nothing to do with classes in English for example teaching themes that are of no interest or worse at odds with the interests and views of boys?

Nothing to do with female teachers not understanding that boys naturally develop and learn in different ways and at different rates and have different interests, goals and objectives and behave differently to girls?

Nothing to do with boys high school academic performance significantly lower than that of girls?

Nothing to do with boys far less likely to gain a tertiary place and then to finish?

The challenges for boys were identified years ago. The outcomes were also predicted years ago. Blaming it on toxic social media influencers is just a simple way of deflecting from the more confronting and challenging causes.

Your point on English teachers in high school is spot on. Literature at Uni was a joy with mostly male professors. At high school I only had female teachers and they made it a bit of a bore. More men need to teach English at high school.
I am in no way a Trump supporter

 

[dorianyates]

If young white males look up to Donald Trump as an example of what a man or masculinity should be we are in trouble.
I cannot understand how females or immigrants over there could vote for him either.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Who is telling you all of this? Like really... who?

msm and social media, not Jan and Joe public.

 

[liz]

News sites like Murdoch press like to play up the woke stuff as being more prevalent and extreme than the reality. It gets clicks and views.

I avoid the Murdoch press so I have to take you at your word. I don’t doubt it’s true, now that you’ve pointed it out.

Maybe it explains why the anti-woke seem far more obsessed with it than those they think are woke. To me, being what is now labelled woke is just treating everyone with respect, and acknowledging difference, and making room in the world for everyone to be who they are (so long as being who they are doesn’t involve demonising others).

For me it’s not an obsession. It shouldn’t be a “war”. It’s just a given.

 

[RedStarUncle]

msm and social media, not Jan and Joe public.

Even then... mainstream and social media aren't forcing the "woke agenda" down anyone's throat... they're mostly just telling you how horrible it is that the "woke agenda" is being forced down everyone's throat. No-one is actually doing it... but any even vaguely progressive comment or idea is being associated with a non-existent movement to scare the average punter further to the right.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Even then... mainstream and social media aren't forcing the "woke agenda" down anyone's throat... they're mostly just telling you how horrible it is that the "woke agenda" is being forced down everyone's throat. No-one is actually doing it... but any even vaguely progressive comment or idea is being associated with a non-existent movement to scare the average punter further to the right.

And it's not just the pc boogeyman they're pushing, whatever clickbait there is they'll hyperbolise it and push it.

For example, the counterprotests from right wing minority groups (read nazi sympathizers) at extinction group rallies. It's been reported that they rec'd soft treatment from the police. I don't know how true that is, but just reporting the supposed leniency is gonna make news and will rile up other community members.

No, no one is 'forcing' anything, but it's not the point is it, the point is msm reports something in a sensationalized manner and then people run with it on social media and makes it worse, young man and not just young man, naive person looking for something to blame or belong to gobbles it up.

 

[kickazz]

Really good article in The Age today by a psychologist that is relevant to this topic:

https://archive.is/093PR

It touches on some things that I have suspected for some time, but what she (without citing it though) says is actually based in evidence:

- Our approach and language regarding the problems with men is way too biased toward judgement and not understanding. (e.g. the phrase "toxic masculinity" is getting us nowhere, if anything taking us backwards)

- Not enough of the education measures being taken are actually based in evidence.


Perhaps the people leading the charge for positive change in men are just too stuck in an echo chamber themselves?

 

[burge13]

Really good article in The Age today by a psychologist that is relevant to this topic:

https://archive.is/093PR

It touches on some things that I have suspected for some time, but what she (without citing it though) says is actually based in evidence:

- Our approach and language regarding the problems with men is way too biased toward judgement and not understanding. (e.g. the phrase "toxic masculinity" is getting us nowhere, if anything taking us backwards)

- Not enough of the education measures being taken are actually based in evidence.


Perhaps the people leading the charge for positive change in men are just too stuck in an echo chamber themselves?

I'm glad esteemed psychologists have cottoned onto what many here posted ages ago!

 

[kickazz]

I'm glad esteemed psychologists have cottoned onto what many here posted ages ago!

Yeah.

It's a fine line, there still is a message to get across but honestly, I think we have absolutely botched it. I think critical theory, and identity politics in general has failed everyone in this regard. It's a complicated topic that still is finding its feet, but we are addressing it with some pretty reductive judgements at times - and when these are directed at boys (which I define here as a male under 25, cos of the whole frontal lobe development thing) there is a big risk of ****ing it right up.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Really good article in The Age today by a psychologist that is relevant to this topic:

https://archive.is/093PR

It touches on some things that I have suspected for some time, but what she (without citing it though) says is actually based in evidence:

- Our approach and language regarding the problems with men is way too biased toward judgement and not understanding. (e.g. the phrase "toxic masculinity" is getting us nowhere, if anything taking us backwards)

- Not enough of the education measures being taken are actually based in evidence.


Perhaps the people leading the charge for positive change in men are just too stuck in an echo chamber themselves?

So we should blame Gillette?

 

[Coolangatta]

Yeah.

It's a fine line, there still is a message to get across but honestly, I think we have absolutely botched it. I think critical theory, and identity politics in general has failed everyone in this regard. It's a complicated topic that still is finding its feet, but we are addressing it with some pretty reductive judgements at times - and when these are directed at boys (which I define here as a male under 25, cos of the whole frontal lobe development thing) there is a big risk of ****ing it right up.

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with just a failure to go and engage right wing bubbles head on. I saw some of it online but not enough.

I mean it took ages for Destiny and Shapiro to have a debate and they’ve been doing that shit for years.

That said, it needs to be gloves off and I’m not sure there’s too many commentators that are willing to get their hands dirty.

Less buzzwords and more effort from the left to build their presence online will help because whether we like it or not, the youth are plugged into alternative social media and are ignoring legacy media or what Hollywood has to say. Fat lot of good those endorsements did.

 

[kickazz]

So we should blame Gillette?

haha almost forgot about that one.

Of course there are many factors. Thinking about Gillette, I think that emboldened the like-minded but would have done very little good for young impressionable men.

 

[10571z]

Because White Males are the most hated and blamed group by “progressives”

White Privillage
Racist
Toxic Masculinity
“Pay Gap”
Invaders, Colonisers
I’m offended

Why would it shock anyone they side with conservative parties?

 

[Leeda]

Send my children a message....croquet is language unknown

 

[Ghost Patrol]

On face value it would seem something fishy with the letters. Perhaps some behaviours havn't been properly investigated and justice for those behavior may not have been served - I don't know. I like that he has given a voice to many issues I side with and he stands up for many values that align with mine. I was being more jovial in my initial responses, being playful with emojis and taking the piss that all I consumed was Credlin, Bolt and Jones. To be honest I don't actually listen all that much to Alan Jones but when I do I have found I genuinely agree or understand his point of view.

You may have missed it but in between posts I said I was being facetious about Tate and find him weird and not very bright.

Did you hear the good news? Your role model was arrested.

Allegedly trying to convert more young males to um, conservatism.

 

[faible]

Did you hear the good news? Your role model was arrested.

Allegedly trying to convert more young males to um, conservatism.

Gee that post hasn't aged well has it.

 

[AvantGardener]

Did you hear the good news? Your role model was arrested.

Allegedly trying to convert more young males to um, conservatism.

Don't know how you got role model from 'being facetious' and 'barely listen'. Same post I used Credlin as an example and she could walk past me in the street and I would have no idea who she is.

The evidence seems to be stacking up against Jones, on face value it seems he is in for a deseŕved shitty last years of his life. Does this void his opinions and rub off badly on those who share similar opinions? No.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Don't know how you got role model from 'being facetious' and 'barely listen'. Same post I used Credlin as an example and she could walk past me in the street and I would have no idea who she is.

The evidence seems to be stacking up against Jones, on face value it seems he is in for a deseŕved shitty last years of his life. Does this void his opinions and rub off badly on those who share similar opinions? No.

Doesn't this demonstrate to you that he is a grubby hypocrite?

So why wouldn't you now question whatever shared values you think you may have with him and his supporters?

 

[AvantGardener]

Doesn't this demonstrate to you that he is a grubby hypocrite?

So why wouldn't you now question whatever shared values you think you may have with him and his supporters?

Grubby? Yes
Hypocrite? No idea because as I said I don't listen to him that much.

And gee you are drawing a long bow. By your logic homosexuals should be questioning themselves if they are pedos. Get your hand off it.

 

[barreness]

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with just a failure to go and engage right wing bubbles head on. I saw some of it online but not enough.

I mean it took ages for Destiny and Shapiro to have a debate and they’ve been doing that shit for years.

I would think those guys agree 95%, it's not going to be ground breaking stuff

That said, it needs to be gloves off and I’m not sure there’s too many commentators that are willing to get their hands dirty.

Debates are almost useless, particularly when they get into "gloves off"

Less buzzwords and more effort from the left to build their presence online will help because whether we like it or not, the youth are plugged into alternative social media and are ignoring legacy media or what Hollywood has to say. Fat lot of good those endorsements did.

The left has a presence online but it's rarely commercial, hence you have to seek it out if you want it. Many do but it's obviously not in any platforms interest to promote someone who's ideology is to deconstruct you

Liberals are mostly centrists

 

[barreness]

Grubby? Yes
Hypocrite? No idea because as I said I don't listen to him that much.

And gee you are drawing a long bow. By your logic homosexuals should be questioning themselves if they are pedos. Get your hand off it.

I'd say anyone sending love letters to school kids should be questioning themselves