raman
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Why can't Adelaide retain players?
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raman
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According to the Adelaide board Poorts just overpay all their players. I hope no one tells
the AFL.
By that logic my local team is better then the majority of AFL clubs
raman
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No by that logic your local team is more of a club and has more emotional investment from its players than the AFC.
You guys don't get it. You can't get it. Collectively, you don't want to get it.
I think Adelaide need to put more work into the families of their players. I know from a couple of interviews with Boakies mum and Ollie Wines’ mum that Port do a lot for the families of the players, helping them get to games and ensuring younger siblings are well looked after. Not sure if Adelaide do much work in this regard.
raman
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How would they quantify this into a KPI that they could outspend Port on?
What don’t I get? Sporting clubs are formed when a city or town or suburb or whatever needs sporting representation. The city of Adelaide needed representation at AFL level. A club that is universally hated outside of their own, and who had broken their agreement with the SANFL wasn’t going to cut it, so the Crows were formed, and since have been as well supported as any club in Australia, and arguably better than your mob.
Port fans love to point out that the Crows were formed as a result of a court case but conveniently forget that that case existed because their club blatantly lied and tried to cheat the majority of the football population in SA.
Like every thread lately. Which is a shame, because I think this is a legitimate cause for concern that needs to be addressed. But maybe not, what do I know.
The same seem to be happening to GWS lately as well. Every season they lose a big name, and sure they have a lot of big names, but that has to impact at some point you would think.
raman
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So we... were universally hated outside our own, but still owed something to that majority population that hated us? What an extraordinary argument!
Anyway I think you answered your own question about what you don't get.
You hate us but if we entered into a mutual agreement and then broke it that would be unacceptable and unethical.
I think it’s a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Clubs look at adelaides good players coming out of contract and know if they throw a ridiculous amount of money at them they’ll be shaken loose
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Adelaide do a lot in that regard already. We have Lever's brother in our development squad after he missed out on being drafted. As for family members to games, we definitely do that also. That isn't the reason for the issue the club has.
It is always a big risk if you take a Vic Metro kid with a high draft pick for non-Vic clubs. They are the ones by far more likely to ask for a trade as soon as the first contract is up.
Clubs can try and counter it with helping them settle in, visiting family etc. but at the end of the day these highly rated kids will always have multiple melbourne clubs chasing them with $ plus the lure of coming home - to keep them can seriously screw your list management. Freo has been deliberately targeting SA, Tasmanian, Vic Country and local kids as a result and it is generally working well for those guys. SA and WA draft prospects in recent years have been less though for a number of reasons so at some point you have to take best available if those kids are Vic Metro. We will lose Balic this year and he will probably be a great player for a bargain basement price. Freo recruiters target WA players playing outside WA as trade targets - but it goes both ways with all our Vic players getting target if they show anything. Tassy players are great - no go gome factor there.
Clubs can try and counter it with helping them settle in, visiting family etc. but at the end of the day these highly rated kids will always have multiple melbourne clubs chasing them with $ plus the lure of coming home - to keep them can seriously screw your list management. Freo has been deliberately targeting SA, Tasmanian, Vic Country and local kids as a result and it is generally working well for those guys. SA and WA draft prospects in recent years have been less though for a number of reasons so at some point you have to take best available if those kids are Vic Metro. We will lose Balic this year and he will probably be a great player for a bargain basement price. Freo recruiters target WA players playing outside WA as trade targets - but it goes both ways with all our Vic players getting target if they show anything. Tassy players are great - no go gome factor there.
That's after they look at Ports list and think yeah... nahhh.
It's simple really. There are 10 Vic clubs and at any given time 2 or 3 of those will be at the right point of their cycle to be able to throw money at someone. Nobody in their right mind thinks Adelaide should pay Lever $900k yet Melbourne and a couple of other Vic clubs will happily do so, because they can. Couple that with Adelaide's TPP structure which is fairly flat and doesn't overpay and you've got targets every year ripe for the picking.
It'll be Rory next year, count on it.
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They're are a victim of their superior player development.
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So why aren't West Coast who are the Perth version of Adelaide in terms of developing integral parts of their squad?
I get the impression Adelaide don't like 'overpaying' for players. But I kind of feel like, given the minimum salary cap spend requirements, if you don't overpay your good players, you end up overpaying your bad ones.
Like, if as Burton says, Melbourne's 900k a year offer to Lever would make him Adelaide's highest paid player next year, what are Sloane et al getting paid? And if their top line talent aren't eating up that much of the cap, what are Andy Otten and Riley Knight getting paid, you know what I mean?
Like, if as Burton says, Melbourne's 900k a year offer to Lever would make him Adelaide's highest paid player next year, what are Sloane et al getting paid? And if their top line talent aren't eating up that much of the cap, what are Andy Otten and Riley Knight getting paid, you know what I mean?
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Ladder history shows that teams like Adelaide, WC and to a much higher extent Sydney don't tend to drop for long if at all. Can't say the same for Port sadly although I wish it was them who were up there most years and not Adelaide
I'm sure the whole pseudo state team thing is a part of not winning the hearts of the players and their families. I doubt the whole 'kick a Vic ' schtick doesn't go on much in house but the local media and a decent number of fans love trotting it out and a young lad from Melbourne isn't going to feel any connection with that.
Do the WCE push a similar state pride thing rather than club pride?
Do the WCE push a similar state pride thing rather than club pride?
Yeah cause no club wanted Wines or Pittard. And Geelong didn’t send an entire touring party to lure Boak. It’s because Port have shit players and Adelaide have megastars.
Adelaide for mine seems far too arrogant. It's fans and ex-players in the media are savage on their own club.
They're no longer a state team and just haven't realised it. The winds have changed and players don't want to be yelled at anymore. I mean seriously, the no jokes about Cameron or Lever in the dressing rooms?
The salary cap fudging for Tippet, taunting Dangerfield before the GF, the ridiculous finals 'stance', it all smacks of a humourless and ruthless club.
Adelaide fans are seriously brutal and if you're living in a fishbowl with that sort of media heat, why would you want more of the same when you go back to the club?
It's not a one size fits all comp anymore, too many options, too many reasons to leave, maybe try showing a little bit of TLC.
They're no longer a state team and just haven't realised it. The winds have changed and players don't want to be yelled at anymore. I mean seriously, the no jokes about Cameron or Lever in the dressing rooms?
The salary cap fudging for Tippet, taunting Dangerfield before the GF, the ridiculous finals 'stance', it all smacks of a humourless and ruthless club.
Adelaide fans are seriously brutal and if you're living in a fishbowl with that sort of media heat, why would you want more of the same when you go back to the club?
It's not a one size fits all comp anymore, too many options, too many reasons to leave, maybe try showing a little bit of TLC.
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