Society/Culture Why do less intelligent people gravitate to conservative/right wing ideology.

[Mofra]

The Daily Mail article reports upon a study by Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario, Canada. (another Canadian Academic Psychologist but without a youtube presence). He looked at data from 2 UK studies testing child development. The subjects were
(a) 4,267 boys and 4,537 girls born in 1958;
(b) 3,412 boys and 3,658 girls born in 1970.

The tests were of
(c) verbal and non verbal intelligence; and
(d) cognitive abilities (number recall, shape-drawing tasks, defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words).

In both surveys, 23 years later, the same groups were asked to answer a series of questions about traditions, authority and attitudes toward other races. Hodson then postulated a definition of conservatism which is undefined but looks to be based upon attitudes towards Authority and other races and concluded that low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservtive ideologies.

I’d very cautious about accepting the conclusions drawn by Grin and his gaggle of applauders from the article helpfully posted by Mofra

So would I.

Here's a meta-analysis that's far more wide ranging.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiZksKNiq38AhWmwjgGHVyFAdQQFnoECC0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xHhvNmp4MW8yHxMsywA_c

There is a significant body of work on the subject. Assuming the entire concept is based off a single study is folly.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think it's wide spread enough that we have politicians trying to use it as a tool at elections and to create divisions and acceptance of the hatred.

So it's already too widespread imo.

So I guess what is the measure of what is 'widespread' and 'widely accepted'.

If the majority of society accepted this sort of behaviour, and further regularly used irrational fear as a defence avenue then I'd say yes, this ain't happening regularly by the majority of law abiding citizens, sure there'll always be exceptions, certainly not the 'norm' though.

 

[kranky al]

So I guess what is the measure of what is 'widespread' and 'widely accepted'.

If the majority of society accepted this sort of behaviour, and further regularly used irrational fear as a defence avenue then I'd say yes, this ain't happening regularly by the majority of law abiding citizens, sure there'll always be exceptions, certainly not the 'norm' though.

When something is enshrined in law in multiple jurisdictions….

I mean for reference the original argument comes from a guy who just cant understand why gay folk are politically active to defend their sexual preference when hetero folk arent, whilst at the same time not understanding that its hetero folk making these laws.

 

[Carringbush2010]

When something is enshrined in law in multiple jurisdictions….

I mean for reference the original argument comes from a guy who just cant understand why gay folk are politically active to defend their sexual preference when hetero folk arent, whilst at the same time not understanding that its hetero folk making these laws.

You can make fair argument, when broader society accepts and commits this sort of behaviour, then you can argue it is widely accepted.

You don't accept it, I don't accept, I doubt anyone on these pages would accept it, and it's probably the same with the people on the street - certainly not accepted among the majority there.

Broader society is not in support of this behaviour.

 

[the_interloper]

Maybe it's the new age of social media / heightened narcissism that is influencing on-line behavior moreso than a steadfast belief in one's own intellectual abilities.

We saw during Covid the number of people who 'did their own research' and believed they knew more than epidemiologists.
People who, without irony, would argue with experts in almost any scientific field (medicine/climate/radiation/etc) and believe a few hours on you-tube is the equivalent to years of study in a particular field.

'Everyone has a right to their opinion' has become an ego stroking exercise and has often morphed into 'everyone has a right to their own facts'. I doubt obvious misinformation campaigns (e.g. Q) could survive without it.

I’m sort of thinking even further back to mid 2000s. I didn’t quite appreciate that there were real people on the forums, I mean I guess I did know but didn’t really treat them as such.

And there’s certainly a nerdy aspect to chat forums, and people like to pretend a bit as well but yes, ended up figuring out you can learn a bit.

One forum I was in back in the day (Metal related) two people actually met and got married on it and they’re still married, Swedish couple, pretty amazing back then but everyone meets online now it seems.

 

[Mofra]

One forum I was in back in the day (Metal related) two people actually met and got married on it and they’re still married, Swedish couple, pretty amazing back then but everyone meets online now it seems.

TBH I've generally found metal fans the most polite, considerate people going around. Not surprised people from there would meet IRL and get on well

 

[Cap]

Yes because every single girl and every single boy with feel the need to change sex once a month.

The world is ending

Oh noes

Just to be clear, I was being sarcastic.

However on review it does seem like something certain people would say

 

[Cap]

So I guess what is the measure of what is 'widespread' and 'widely accepted'.

If the majority of society accepted this sort of behaviour, and further regularly used irrational fear as a defence avenue then I'd say yes, this ain't happening regularly by the majority of law abiding citizens, sure there'll always be exceptions, certainly not the 'norm' though.

My comment too widespread is intended to read as , too often.

I wasn't trying to create a spacial size.

I have no idea why you are trying to downplay something by referring to the 'norm'. Something not being the 'norm' doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed.

 

[the_interloper]

TBH I've generally found metal fans the most polite, considerate people going around. Not surprised people from there would meet IRL and get on well

Yeah Knotfest was a collection of very rough headed individuals (me included) but not a hint of trouble that I saw. I've seen one fight at a metal show after going to say 100 or so, it's a very unifying type of music (if that's your thing)

 

[Gough]

Metal is sex, drugs and rock and roll, those people are always going to be a bit more fun than a navel gazing Leonard Cohen fan.

 

[Mofra]

Yeah Knotfest was a collection of very rough headed individuals (me included) but not a hint of trouble that I saw. I've seen one fight at a metal show after going to say 100 or so, it's a very unifying type of music (if that's your thing)

Metal is sex, drugs and rock and roll, those people are always going to be a bit more fun than a navel gazing Leonard Cohen fan.

It's about the music at those gigs, not ego.
Rarely seen fights at bands (Rose Tattoo the exception), definitely none at metal or stoner gigs. I did break my rib in a mosh once (Monster Magnet) but that was part of the experience

 

[the_interloper]

It's about the music at those gigs, not ego.
Rarely seen fights at bands (Rose Tattoo the exception), definitely none at metal or stoner gigs. I did break my rib in a mosh once (Monster Magnet) but that was part of the experience

I would agree. And most metalheads listen to the music by themselves, it's quite the experience to see a whole bunch of like minded individuals loving it as much as you are, sometimes you feel like the only weird one who likes this shit ha ha

 

[kranky al]

Just to be clear, I was being sarcastic.

However on review it does seem like something certain people would say

Needs more <s> </s>

 

[Carringbush2010]

My comment too widespread is intended to read as , too often.

I wasn't trying to create a spacial size.

I have no idea why you are trying to downplay something by referring to the 'norm'. Something not being the 'norm' doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed.

Once is too often,

I'm not downplaying this behaviour, merely pointing out that is not the norm or widespread or widely accepted, which has been alluded to.

Not sure why you and others are portraying my posts as me saying 'meh', not the case at all

 

[Cap]

Once is too often,

I'm not downplaying this behaviour, merely pointing out that is not the norm or widespread or widely accepted, which has been alluded to.

Not sure why you and others are portraying my posts as me saying 'meh', not the case at all

Maybe consider that point when posting?

Anyway, I've lost track of this can we argue about something else

 

[Carringbush2010]

Maybe consider that point when posting?

Anyway, I've lost track of this can we argue about something else

I've clearly alluded on several occasions, that this behaviour is not acceptable, certainly not widely accepted or widely committed.

Yet you come to the conclusion that I am treating this as less than very important, again nothing in my posts suggests anyone should take that angle.

The post you just replied to has me stating that 'once is too often' so how do you come to the conclusion I'm viewing this lightly?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Once is too often,

I'm not downplaying this behaviour, merely pointing out that is not the norm or widespread or widely accepted, which has been alluded to.

Not sure why you and others are portraying my posts as me saying 'meh', not the case at all

Some say Potatohead has a long memory and his family are quite loyal.

 

[kranky al]

I've clearly alluded on several occasions, that this behaviour is not acceptable, certainly not widely accepted or widely committed.

Yet you come to the conclusion that I am treating this as less than very important, again nothing in my posts suggests anyone should take that angle.

The post you just replied to has me stating that 'once is too often' so how do you come to the conclusion I'm viewing this lightly?

How does something not widely accepted become a law.

More than 50% of the legislature voting for it.

Then more than 50% of an upper house approving it.

 

[Cap]

I've clearly alluded on several occasions, that this behaviour is not acceptable, certainly not widely accepted or widely committed.

Yet you come to the conclusion that I am treating this as less than very important, again nothing in my posts suggests anyone should take that angle.

The post you just replied to has me stating that 'once is too often' so how do you come to the conclusion I'm viewing this lightly?

Because your responses range from its not normal to its not widespread

I would suggest most people who read those responses would see that as implying it's not a big deal, because it doesn't happen enough.

You seem to run into the issue of being misunderstood a lot on these boards.

 

[Episode IV]

if you got all the regular srp posters together and completed a basic intelligence test the results would collectively be below average, nothing surer.

I disagree with that. I think you'd find a normal spectrum.
Where that becomes difficult is in the over estimation of the cognitive capability of average intelligence.

 

[Carringbush2010]

How does something not widely accepted become a law.

More than 50% of the legislature voting for it.

Then more than 50% of an upper house approving it.

Just because it's accepted in law doesn't always reflect broader society's views.

I'd broader society does not accept this behaviour.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Because your responses range from its not normal to its not widespread

I would suggest most people who read those responses would see that as implying it's not a big deal, because it doesn't happen enough.

You seem to run into the issue of being misunderstood a lot on these boards.

Because it's not the norm and it's not widespread.

That does NOT equate to me implying it's not a big deal.

Like I said, once is too often, I've alluded this is a terrible behaviour ad nauseum.

That's not on me continually alluding this is abhorrent behaviour, it's on you and others 'CB thinks it's a nothing issue'

How many times do I have to say this?

 

[Cap]

Because it's not the norm and it's not widespread.

That does NOT equate to me implying it's not a big deal.

Like I said, once is too often, I've alluded this is a terrible behaviour ad nauseum.

That's not on me continually alluding this is abhorrent behaviour, it's on you and others 'CB thinks it's a nothing issue'

How many times do I have to say this?

It really doesn't matter what you think, it how it's interpreted.

Perhaps if you don't won't it interpreted in a way you don't intend think about what you are saying and they way you say it.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It really doesn't matter what you think, it how it's interpreted.

Yep it's how it's interpreted.

So now what I think doesn't matter, yet you keep replying 'sounds like you don't think it's a big deal' when I repeatedly state I don't view it lightly. Sounds like what I think matters to you, even though you misinterpret what I say.

It's abhorrent and homophobic, I've replied this view several times to you, but you persist in 'nah you don't give a sh*t'

Perhaps if you don't won't it interpreted in a way you don't intend think about what you are saying and they way you say it.

Mate, how many times do I need to say I don't agree with this behaviour? Again the misinterpretation is on you and others.

I can't be any clearer, perhaps actually read my posts instead misinterpreting.

Believe what you think I'm saying, my position couldn't be clearer, and what you believe 'meh', couldn't care less, I'll leave it there.

 

[kranky al]

Just because it's accepted in law doesn't always reflect broader society's views.

I'd broader society does not accept this behaviour.

What you have to understand was, when the laws were passed they did . ****ter bashing was a sport, the police wouldnt charge people for doing it.

https://solidarity.net.au/lgbti/****ter-bashing-sport-police-game/

'Army students celebrated poofter bashing'

amp.9news.com.au

Im getting the impression that you are under 40, as you dont seem to get how reviled homosexuality was in australia in the 80’s and prior.

Heres how the english saw us:




Obvs comedic but the homophobia in australia was above and beyond.

 

[jb40]

Nice flex bro

the hypocrisy of you lot! and you dont even know it