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Why do people "hate" football (soccer)?
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It's not 1985 anymore you know. Thatcher has left the building.
I go to Victory A-league games and the only difference as far as the make-up of the crowd is Soccer crowds are 95%+ home supporters (even with the Heart derby it's still one-sided lol). The wings and upper tiers are still mostly families just enjoying the game and the ferals are left to go nuts behind the goals on the bottom tier. The Richmond cheer squad and grog squad ferals goes off their nut when we win or come home in the last quarter. Very intimidating for oppostion supporters who have to walk past them to get out of Gate 4 at the 'G. What a surprise many of them attend both Footy and Soccer behind the goals. As I said to say otherwise must be a bland Hawthorn thing or just simply Aussie Rules haters talking crap. I'd guess unless you're a long-time traditional supporter of a Big 4 club then you wouldn't understand and I can guarantee there is antagonism although it's been cleaned up a lot at the grounds since the ground rationalisation of the 90s.
All sports' crowds are tamer than what they use to be thanks to fully seated stadia and the sports administrators, police and the public in general no longer tolerating any form of violence in or out of the grounds. These days most ground expulsions are due to drunkenness rather than blind hatred between opposing supporters. England is such a lot safer place at their grounds than what it use to be in the 70s/80s it's not funny so whoever bagged EPL crowds for hooliganism doesn't know what they are talking about either. It costs a small fortune to be a EPL season ticket holder these days so there's a financial deterrent against being a moron.
In any case I go with friends and/or family to games to watch, cheer and yell at those on the park and at the action on it and the atmosphere is the added bonus. When we lose (and as a Tigers man I've had a lot of practice at that
) I stomp out of the ground peeed off. I don't go "nevermind we lost because hey I got to jump around and the crowd atmosphere was great and that's the main thing" lol. Football is passion for your club and only your club and winning isn't everything it's all there is whatever your code. Each code does have its own supporter idiosyncrasies (eg: Aussie Rules is opposing fans sitting together and things like shouting "ball!" which sounds stupid to those who don't understand/appreciate the culture) but to claim one code is more passionate or atmospheric than the others is BS. Rugby fans at Twickenham or at Eden Park in NZ would claim their game atmosphere is hard to top for instance. It all varies from week to week depending on the game, it's importance, whether it's a beauty or a crap standard game and most of all whether you win, lose or draw. These code war threads are really becoming a joke and getting desperate if we're now deciding which code is better based on what happens off the park.
If anything its over sanitized crap now at Premier League matches, playing your Lady Gaga bollocks at half time, everyone wearing jester hats etc.
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Wut? Victory got a 2-2 draw against Brisbane a few weeks back, and that was a massive result for us. You don't know what you've talking about.
Re: supporters group, I know from experience that when you've done it long enough, it's just goes on "autopilot"; you keep watching the game and don't even notice you're chanting any more.
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Spot on.
Attended Villa vs Wolves a few months back and there wasn't even a hint of trouble. You'd think there would have been at a derby but it didn't get close. Of course what would I know? I only went and saw it for myself. What I should be doing is watching channel 7 and channel 9 for my weekly hooligan news about how sokkah is unsafe to attend, etc.
FWIW supporters aren't allowed to take beer into the stands at EPL matches, something I wish was implemented here in Aus. At least that way I could wear a nice pair of sneakers to the football and not worry about some twat spilling his drinks all over me.
You can buy drinks inside the ground, but you just can't take them into the seating areas.
Most of the socceroos matches in asia the past few years is enough to turn anyone off soccer
Another thing footy fans don't understand about the world game; the draw. It is a result. You get a point for it.
And if you know the game, very rarely is a game dull. The Victory/Mariners game and the Socceroos/Oman games were the exceptions, not the rules.
And if you know the game, very rarely is a game dull. The Victory/Mariners game and the Socceroos/Oman games were the exceptions, not the rules.
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Yeah, I miss the glory days of Oceania, too.
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rofl, you'd have to be joking.
Our preparation going into world cups is 100x better now that we play against decent nations regularly compared to island nations that have never seen a football that wasn't made of a coconut shell.
All I can remember was us smashing rubbish nations and then falling flat when we came up against the ONE team that would beat us every time at the final hurdle from South America. It took Guus Hiddink to get us through that system finally.
Pim was an average manager but he got us to the World Cup through Asia.
Didn't read the thread, so my post has probably been addressed already. Here it is anyway:
1. Elitist fans: I'm sick of being told how superior the game of Soccer is to AFL because of all the "skill" and "flair" involved. I appreciate those qualities and respect the talent required to play the game, but no more than I respect say GAJ or Buddy Franklin. I know this goes both ways and there's plenty of w***ers in each code but I will never buy into the "Soccer is so much more skillful" argument. If you want supreme skill, go try and shoot a sub-par round of Golf.
2. Difficulty adjusting from watching AFL: This one might only be me, but being raised on AFL or any form of Rugby, you're used to watching a physical contest. As Soccer isn't exactly a contact sport, whenever someone gets knocked over or carded, I'm generally pretty quick to say "Ohhhh that's bloody soft" even though a lot of the times a free kick/penalty is the correct decision. As a result, I always seem to think the referee is a moron who gets sucked in, when again, it's not always the case. Not blaming Soccer, just my inability to adjust to the code. I'm sure watching more games would help. Note - This point is NOT helped by the amount of Soccer players who do deliberately take dives. Aside from that I don't mind it. Don't mind the low scoring, don't mind the draw, don't mind the game.
On a side note, was at an A League game a few years ago at Etihad. Victory had the ball and went forward, but since the defence looked to have it covered, I payed little attention and started texting a friend. Of course, someone scored and I missed it. I looked up to the screen to catch a replay, but they never showed one!! . Maybe it's changed now, but I would've thought they could've taken the sponsors ad off the screen for 10 seconds just to show it again...
1. Elitist fans: I'm sick of being told how superior the game of Soccer is to AFL because of all the "skill" and "flair" involved. I appreciate those qualities and respect the talent required to play the game, but no more than I respect say GAJ or Buddy Franklin. I know this goes both ways and there's plenty of w***ers in each code but I will never buy into the "Soccer is so much more skillful" argument. If you want supreme skill, go try and shoot a sub-par round of Golf.
2. Difficulty adjusting from watching AFL: This one might only be me, but being raised on AFL or any form of Rugby, you're used to watching a physical contest. As Soccer isn't exactly a contact sport, whenever someone gets knocked over or carded, I'm generally pretty quick to say "Ohhhh that's bloody soft" even though a lot of the times a free kick/penalty is the correct decision. As a result, I always seem to think the referee is a moron who gets sucked in, when again, it's not always the case. Not blaming Soccer, just my inability to adjust to the code. I'm sure watching more games would help. Note - This point is NOT helped by the amount of Soccer players who do deliberately take dives. Aside from that I don't mind it. Don't mind the low scoring, don't mind the draw, don't mind the game.
On a side note, was at an A League game a few years ago at Etihad. Victory had the ball and went forward, but since the defence looked to have it covered, I payed little attention and started texting a friend. Of course, someone scored and I missed it
. I looked up to the screen to catch a replay, but they never showed one!! . Maybe it's changed now, but I would've thought they could've taken the sponsors ad off the screen for 10 seconds just to show it again...
On a side note, was at an A League game a few years ago at Etihad. Victory had the ball and went forward, but since the defence looked to have it covered, I payed little attention and started texting a friend. Of course, someone scored and I missed it
lol! you poor sod.
Yeah, I think at the start they didn't show replays at all at the games, but I know at Hindmarsh they've been showing replays of goals and other hightlights as they happen lately. Maybe it's a new season thing, I dunno.
Your story actually reminds me of a few weeks ago when a group of us rounded on a mate to go get the drinks when we played Sydney. Of course less than a minute later, Vidosic scores and he (the mate) misses the goal and the replay. He was well livid, but got worse as we pissed away teh game.
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Righto.
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Then why is basketball so popular with the Chinese population in the whole world? theres a billion chinese, and not many of them actually grow to be tall enough to play the sport professionally, but hoops is so popular and it agrees with Chinese people
and for the perception some people have of Arabs and Arab culture, soccer is seen to be "their" sport because even though its tough, it requires skills, and its a sport that agrees with them
in fact many clubs are owned by rich oil sheiks
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Re: Why do people "hate" soccer?
We can only score goals with our feet or shins (rare) whilst you can score with any part of your body except your hands/arms.
Soccer is just a shortened name for Association, so really we're just calling it Association Football, just shortened. Just like people call Australian Rules Football "footy", "aussie rules", or for the uneducated "AFL".
Soccer's insistence on being called "Football" is one of the few reasons I turned on the game nearly a decade ago. Others being:
The acceptance of diving as part of the game and the lack of action taken to halt its progress in the game.
The amateur hour of time wasting and unprofessional time keeping which traps the game into a horrible mess at the most important time.
The fact that it's deemed better to fall to the ground than stay on your feet, which is one of the most important factor in every other ball sport I can think of.
Simon Hill, Craig Foster and their lies.
There are a few more I can think of but I'm not here to complain about Soccer, just let you know why I 'hate' it. I'll still watch some EPL on the weekends and enjoy the good parts, just the bad parts stand out like cat balls to me now.
We can only score goals with our feet or shins (rare) whilst you can score with any part of your body except your hands/arms.
Soccer is just a shortened name for Association, so really we're just calling it Association Football, just shortened. Just like people call Australian Rules Football "footy", "aussie rules", or for the uneducated "AFL".
Soccer's insistence on being called "Football" is one of the few reasons I turned on the game nearly a decade ago. Others being:
The acceptance of diving as part of the game and the lack of action taken to halt its progress in the game.
The amateur hour of time wasting and unprofessional time keeping which traps the game into a horrible mess at the most important time.
The fact that it's deemed better to fall to the ground than stay on your feet, which is one of the most important factor in every other ball sport I can think of.
Simon Hill, Craig Foster and their lies.
There are a few more I can think of but I'm not here to complain about Soccer, just let you know why I 'hate' it. I'll still watch some EPL on the weekends and enjoy the good parts, just the bad parts stand out like cat balls to me now.
Sorry, I'm just not following you here at all...
All I'm saying is for those who've been brought up on AFL or Rugby, some of us find it hard adjusting to some of the non-contact rules and just dismiss it as soft with a moronic referee. I know that's how I felt about it from first impressions, however with a bit of experience I familiarised myself with how the game is played. It's easy to forget that Soccer players are lean and agile, and that there's not really any point having a bloke who's slow, but strong in the contest...
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I find the irony of AFL supporter calling other sport supporters "elitist" and "arrogant" to be side splittingly laughable. A quick heads up of most League, Assoc.Football and other sporting fans would reveal that the majority of not just AFL supporters but of the AFL establishment in general (including the AFL controlled sports media in various AFL strongholds) to be the most arrogant, elitist, jingoistic and belligerent collective of sporting supporters/administrators in existence. Having lived interstate in non-AFL heartlands, this view is incredibly widespread and with good reason, AFL supporters when in the minority are incredibly overbearing, obnoxious and behave akin to the European imperialists of yesteryear, forcibly imposing their own religion and beliefs down the throats of who they perceive to be the uncouth, unenlightened savages.
Regarding the name of the respective sports, the AFL rebranded their sport as "AFL" years ago, removing any explicit reference to the word "football" in the process, in turn the FFA has every right to rebrand its own sport as "Football" considering the AFL were quick to remove the explicit usage of the word "football" themselves when expanding into the non-Aussie Rules states.
Regarding the name of the respective sports, the AFL rebranded their sport as "AFL" years ago, removing any explicit reference to the word "football" in the process, in turn the FFA has every right to rebrand its own sport as "Football" considering the AFL were quick to remove the explicit usage of the word "football" themselves when expanding into the non-Aussie Rules states.
That's pretty much it for me too. Aussie rules footy is a test of strength just as much as it is a test of skill and tactics. Soccer is pretty much skill and tactics only and misses that dimension - which is what leads to diving. That's why I prefer Aussie rules. I do watch a bit of soccer occasionally, but it does take me some time to adjust.
I'm amused by people arguing over the name football. I use soccer and footy/aussie rules to differentiate between the two, and i'll continue to do so. Football is a generic word to me, soccer is specific to one type of football. I see no reason to change the meaning of an existing word to mean something else when there is already a perfectly good word that describes it.
What they do overseas and how big the game is worldwide is of no consequence to me.
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Aussie Rules has but one one thousandth of the skill and tactics of Association Football, specifically the technical qualities required to play the sport at a decent level, hence why the Pendlebury's, the Goodes', the Folau's etc. can make the transition from other sports at a relatively late stage development wise whilst the opposite (Aussie Rules to Assoc. Football or either of the Rugby codes) would be improbable if not impossible.
Tactics wise, out of stealing a few basic zonal defense concepts off of Assoc. Football and Basketball, "Forward Press" off of Assoc. Football, "spreading the play" off of Assoc. Football and a greater emphasis on possession retention which is essentially the bread and butter of all other footballing codes, Aussie Rules is absolutely nowhere near Assoc. Football, Basketball and American Football in terms of tactics and strategy, with American Football being entirely strategic in having each individual running route, block and passing route mapped out explicitly and Assoc. Football having greater emphasis on continual, real time tactical adjustments based on a predetermined gameplan and utilising a specific set of formations and player roles to implement that gameplan.
I found it humourous when the AFL media talked about teams not having found ways in which to beat Collingwood's forward press for two years, non-stop talk asking how to beat their gameplan, in other footballing codes, reactive tactical changes are made to counteract a high pressing game for example during the actual game itself, constantly and continuously! Any self respecting coach or manager not having reacted at all to an opposing style of game and thus losing heavily would get the sack.
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Cheers, only took half a page
I never stated that the other football codes are "better" (a wholly subjective term to begin with), I stated that they are more tactical and technical. Chess is more strategic than Aussie Rules yet I wouldn't watch it ahead of Aussie Rules whilst American Football games are an order of magnitude more complex than Aussie Rules yet I'd watch any Grand Final ahead of the Superbowl.
The "elitism" I find stems from the Aussie Rules brigade moreso than from anyone else as I described a few posts above, a collective not shy in proclaiming a sport to be "better" mainly because of its source of origin. I have also yet to see AFL specific articles in the Herald Sun online replete with "Aussie Rules is boring" type drivel the way Assoc. Football specific stories are littered with Aussie Rule supremacists and their inane, irrelevant to the article "wogball is boring/soft/un-Australian" type articulations, which to me reeks of arrogance and "elitism". I also found the Herald Sun backed up by a majority of its readers in proclaiming "NRL is dead" the day after Karmichael Hunt defected to have been one of the most pompous and arrogant displays of code supremacy and elitism ever displayed (and there have been more than a few coming from the AFL side).
Alot of why people dislike football was really unearthed in a Harry Kewell press conference a few weeks ago about Harry Kewells so called lack of form. All these so called journalist harping on about his form despite throwing stats etc around really ignoring the basic structure of the actual sport itself
Stats cannot be used to prove the poor performance of a attacking player. A attacking player is defined by his team continuity, ability to feed him the ball and also the overall teams attacking performance. I think the importance of structure, tactics and a lack of indivdualism in the sport is a big part of the failure of it in this country
When Kewell signed people looked to him as the star but the fact of the matter is he aint no football star. Theres 3 footballers in the world that can do what Australians define as "football stars" (Messi, Ronaldo and Silva) and that is dominate a football game without the presence of his teammates. In football most grade A stars still need the nucleus around it to perform.
In NRL, AFL (as Gary Ablett Jnr proved this year) you can surround yourself with putrid garbage and still display and show off individual brilliance. You can do this in football too but the moments are few and far between and fleeting at best. The individual brilliant performances you see week in week out in AFL and NRL you dont get in football because ultimately its a much more team orientated game.
Those who hate football are drawn to indivudal sporting achievments and are drawn away by the complexities of what is needed to create a successful footballing team/culture. Quite simply creating a football dynasty takes 20 years, creating a AFL dynasty takes 2 or 3. Its a lack of patience and a lack of understanding really
Stats cannot be used to prove the poor performance of a attacking player. A attacking player is defined by his team continuity, ability to feed him the ball and also the overall teams attacking performance. I think the importance of structure, tactics and a lack of indivdualism in the sport is a big part of the failure of it in this country
When Kewell signed people looked to him as the star but the fact of the matter is he aint no football star. Theres 3 footballers in the world that can do what Australians define as "football stars" (Messi, Ronaldo and Silva) and that is dominate a football game without the presence of his teammates. In football most grade A stars still need the nucleus around it to perform.
In NRL, AFL (as Gary Ablett Jnr proved this year) you can surround yourself with putrid garbage and still display and show off individual brilliance. You can do this in football too but the moments are few and far between and fleeting at best. The individual brilliant performances you see week in week out in AFL and NRL you dont get in football because ultimately its a much more team orientated game.
Those who hate football are drawn to indivudal sporting achievments and are drawn away by the complexities of what is needed to create a successful footballing team/culture. Quite simply creating a football dynasty takes 20 years, creating a AFL dynasty takes 2 or 3. Its a lack of patience and a lack of understanding really
The additional tactical dimension and skills required for soccer don't make up for lacking the physical aspect of it, just in my opinion of course. That's why I prefer Aussie rules.
I love NFL. I could watch it all day.
If you dont watch the sport how can you understand or even acknowledge the tactical dimension of it?
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