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Why Does Brisbane Rarely Acknowledge It's Bears Heritage?
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Fitzroy left the AFL and now compete in the VAFA. However Brisbane are the representatives of Fitzroy's AFL identity in the AFL competition.
South Melbourne were relocated.
I was at the recent Hall of Fame dinner in Melbourne organised by Brisbane. There was plenty of Fitzroy recognition there that night.
With THE Fitzroy Football Club in the VAFA.
But puts paid to your statement that not many Fitzroy fans down here really enjoyed the Lions premierships that much. Plenty did. Some didn't.
I suggest you find out a bit more about what really went on, before you make such statements.
Bottom line.
- Fitzroy still exists in its own right in Victoria.
- Brisbane represents the Fitzroy identity in the AFL.
- The Brisbane Bears are the same club as the Brisbane Lions.
I feel as though we are moving on a bit too quickly from how comprehensively TheBrownDog has won this argument from this line alone.
JackFlash: You are wrong and/or have been misinformed about a number of aspects of this club, its joint history and supporter base from a very small and less than representative sample (that you admitted was really only your family and nothing more) of old Fitroy supporters. Roylion is in my experiecne the ultimate source of knowledge in terms of Fitzroy's history and merger movements, and has proven to be no slouch when it comes to the Bears history either. Take this as an opportunity to educate yourself a little better.
Not buying any of it. I grew up in Best st Fitzroy, i have family who played for them, bled for them, i know a lot more about Fitzroy than you spin doctors think. Luckily i took my mother's advice and followed Geelong, but i cried when Fitzroy were taken over.
Yes. In the above scenario it is the "Brisbane Bears" whose records end in 1996 not Fitzroy's - so the "Brisbane Lions" figures include Fitzroy's matches against the "Bears".
Also in the above scenario, Brisbane Lions would have 11 premierships and due to Fitzroy's relatively high success rate in finals (a higher percentage of finals matches won than Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon) and Brisbane's post 1996 success rate in finals, the Brisbane Lions would have the highest match/win ratio in finals of any club.
Finals matches 1897-2011 - if Fitzroy's finals record had been continued as the Brisbane Lions after 1996.
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Haha. Everything we've said is on the record fact. You've just repeated the same incorrect rubbish over and over and put your fingers in your ears and hummed whenever someone proved you wrong.
Not wasting any more time responding to you. To save you any uncertainty when you inevitably post more rubbish, it's safe for you to assume I am sitting here laughing at anything else you contribute to this thread.
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Luckily you found a nice bandwagon to jump on?
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Very well summarised by TBD and Roylion. I was an old Bears supporter based in Melbourne from their inception in 87. Went to every match down here from 89 to about 94 I reckon. When the merger was announced in 96, I was 14 and remember feeling shattered as my feeling was that the Bears had been ridiculed for so long and had finally, slowly started to build something from 94, through to storming into 8th spot in 95 and then challenging for the flag in 96. For that to just suddenly transform into a merged club was gutwrenching at the time.
'Losing' the only club you have supported at that age is hard, at that age 10 years was the majority of my life so the Bears were the only team I knew to support. Whether they went back 10 years, or 100 like Fitzroy did not matter at 14. Though a couple of my mates who were Fitzroy, use this as their reasoning for not supporting it, despite them having the same experience with Fitzroy in terms of years of support as I did with the Bears.
Anyway I have been proud to embrace the Fitzroy part of the Brisbane Lions identity, after the initial feelings of misapprehension and I think most old Bears people would feel the same.
If they ever do wear the old original Koala jumper for a 1 off game, majority yellow, I will have to dig out my old Mike Richardson number 8 to wear.
'Losing' the only club you have supported at that age is hard, at that age 10 years was the majority of my life so the Bears were the only team I knew to support. Whether they went back 10 years, or 100 like Fitzroy did not matter at 14. Though a couple of my mates who were Fitzroy, use this as their reasoning for not supporting it, despite them having the same experience with Fitzroy in terms of years of support as I did with the Bears.
Anyway I have been proud to embrace the Fitzroy part of the Brisbane Lions identity, after the initial feelings of misapprehension and I think most old Bears people would feel the same.
If they ever do wear the old original Koala jumper for a 1 off game, majority yellow, I will have to dig out my old Mike Richardson number 8 to wear.
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With players like Laurence Schache and Danny Noonan as past players and lets not forget allowing members of the public to actually stand the mark during an actual game this history should be embraced as we'll never see it again.
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That's the second best analogy I've heard this month. They weren't the Bad News Bears for nothing.
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.... unfortunately that seems to be the attitude from some former Roys..After all this time it is a little annoying..
..my tongue is sore from biting it!..
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After all this time it is a little annoying..
..my tongue is sore from biting it!..
The fact I'm a Fitzroy supporter is beside the point. The description of 'Bad News Bears' was frequently employed during the early days to describe the operational status of Brisbane. They were nothing short of a rabble. Obviously times have changed since then.
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Not buying it? Not buying what exactly?
But you support Geelong. And by the sounds of it supported Geelong even when Fitzroy were in the AFL. So how would you know how many Fitzroy supporters went on to support Brisbane?
That's nice. How do you think those of us who actually supported Fitzroy felt? Many of us have been involved with Fitzroy both in and out of the AFL sometime in the last thirty to forty years, as well as the Brisbane Lions over the last fifteen. As such I think those who actually supported Fitzroy when they were in the AFL are in a much better position to judge whether or not Brisbane have treated Fitzroy and Fitzroy supporters well over the journey.
I don't agree with a lot of what JackFlash has stated in this thread, but it is clear from his statement that he has followed Geelong from since at least 1996. Calling him a bandwagoner is a long bow, notwithstanding the Cats were quite successful in the mid 1990s.
Both the old bears and the old fitzroy jumpers are that much better than the piece of crap they currently run around in it's not funny. Too much going on with the big lion on the front.
This but with blue in the top part instead of maroon would be good.
This but with blue in the top part instead of maroon would be good.
Good to see an admission from a Victorian that they are capable of following another club if theirs folds.... despite all the hysteric screams that they would be lost to the game forever.
Makes league rationalisation a little easier.
fwiw. I agree that Brisbane over-indulge what is essentially a tiny / irrelevant supporter base. what is it now 10k hardcores at most? maybe triple that if they won something but they go back to supporting the Cats straight afterwards... vs... potentially spoiling a share of 4 million quite parochial Queenslanders with all this Victorian-association & hangers-on. Meh, i dunno. Dont really care either. Just throwing it out there.
Son, its time to give up. You are way out of your weight division here. If you think you know more about Fitzroy than Roylion, I'm here to tell you I know more about software development than Bill Gates.
On the subject at hand, its quite an ironic thread. Usually people bemoan the fact that Brisbane don't respect their Fitzroy heritage, and now we have a thread bemoaning the fact that they don't respect the Bears heritage. Personally, I think the former is far more accurate over the years, but thankfully steps have been taken in the last 18 months to correct this - like a new CEO and a new board, after the spectacular failures from the previous boys club holding those positions.
As for whether they would have been successful without the merger, they wouldn't have had Jon Brown - so theres a fair difference. But he wasn't a huge presences in the premiership years, so its fair to assume they win at least 2 of the 3.
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IMO, the Brisbane Lions should be viewed as a separate entity to the Bears and Fitzroy. Two clubs prior to 1996, one club after it. If you include the 1995 records of either the Bears or Fitzroy as that of the Lions it is unfair on the other party.
Again, IMO, the fact that Fitzroy 'still exists' playing in the VAFA while the Bears do not makes it look like the Lions are just the Bears in slightly different jumpers - plus Chris Johnson played a few games for them.
I think the major driver of perceptions of the merger is the fact that the team is based in Brisbane. If Fitzroy had merged with North and the combined entity played out of Melbourne perceptions would be a lot different - even if the legal conditions didn't alter.
But yes, the moral of the story (every BB/FFC merger story) is don't argue the facts with RoyLion.
Again, IMO, the fact that Fitzroy 'still exists' playing in the VAFA while the Bears do not makes it look like the Lions are just the Bears in slightly different jumpers - plus Chris Johnson played a few games for them.
I think the major driver of perceptions of the merger is the fact that the team is based in Brisbane. If Fitzroy had merged with North and the combined entity played out of Melbourne perceptions would be a lot different - even if the legal conditions didn't alter.
But yes, the moral of the story (every BB/FFC merger story) is don't argue the facts with RoyLion.
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Legally the Brisbane Lions are the Brisbane Bears playing in different jumpers. The Brisbane Bears - Fitzroy Football Club Ltd. that holds the licence was registered in 1991, at least five years before the 'merger' and was previously known as the Brisbane Bears Football Club Ltd. They hold the licence to compete in the AFL competition.
The details are as follows.
Name: BRISBANE BEARS-FITZROY FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
ACN: 054 263 473
ABN: 43 054 263 473
Registration date: 16/12/1991
Next review date: 16/12/2012
Former name(s): BRISBANE BEARS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED, NEW BEARS LIMITED
Status: Registered
Company Type: Australian Public Company, Limited By Guarantee
Locality of registered office: Woolloongabba QLD 4102
Brisbane and my drivers licence have the same expiry/renewal date!
Theyve been doing it all year
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