Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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[Carringbush2010]

Unintended by progressives for sure. Is that enough reason to call it a trojan horse?

In any case, a trojan horse (or infiltration if that's what you're implying) ain't gonna happen.

Freedom of cultural expression, whether intended to 'change your way of life' or just express their culture because it's their culture ain't gonna change our liberal democracy.

In short, if you're implying infiltration, then that ain't happenin, even if intended.

 

[Carringbush2010]

An atheistic party would only be created to defy and parody theism. I see no other motive.

That's the entire point of Laveyan Satanism.

Therefore there's no point, as you've already stated correctly atheist don't care about religion enough to staunchly oppose it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Unintended by progressives for sure. Is that enough reason to call it a trojan horse?

Private schools run by religions are trojan horses. But you support them lol

 

[evolved2]

In any case, a trojan horse (or infiltration if that's what you're implying) ain't gonna happen.

Freedom of cultural expression, whether intended to 'change your way of life' or just express their culture because it's their culture ain't gonna change our liberal democracy.

In short, if you're implying infiltration, then that ain't happenin, even if intended.

The horse has already bolted, mate.

 

[Gethelred]

I'd say they move here for freedom and will push Islamic ideals on society regardless.

It's a Trojan horse even if unintended.

Unconsciously or not, this replicates the anti-Italian and anti-Irish rhetoric from an earlier Australia. From this link:

By the 1920s,” says Ricatti, “Italians were often described as ‘black Mediterranean’, and there is some anecdotal evidence that a variation of this expression, namely ‘black Italians’, was still used in north Queensland in the 1960s.”

Furthermore, like many immigrants today, Italians were victims of religious bigotry.

They might not have been Muslim but they were Catholic, which, at the time, was far, far worse. The respectable Protestant ruling class associated the Church of Rome with disloyalty (until 2013, a Catholic was automatically disqualified from succession in the royal family), a prejudice reinforced by the involvement of Catholics in the Easter Uprising of 1916.

Thus, in 1920, Smith’s Weekly, a publication oriented to returned soldiers, labelled the Italian migrant as a “dirty dago pest” and campaigned against “a greasy flood of Mediterranean scum that seeks to defile and debase Australia”.

It wasn't true of immigrants then, and it isn't true of them now.

 

[evolved2]

Unconsciously or not, this replicates the anti-Italian and anti-Irish rhetoric from an earlier Australia. From this link:

It wasn't true of immigrants then, and it isn't true of them now.

You guys have completely lost the (pretend) centrists. The next federal election will be fascinating.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You guys have completely lost the (pretend) centrists. The next federal election will be fascinating.

Yeah, minority government being the likely outcome.

Help us break the duopoly.

 

[evolved2]

Yeah, minority government being the likely outcome.

Help us break the duopoly.

Add the Greens to the list.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The horse has already bolted, mate.

That would suggest our liberal democratic way of life has now ended.

This is not the case.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Add the Greens to the list.

I'm sure they will miss your vote deeply.

 

[evolved2]

I'm sure they will miss your vote deeply.

I'm the easiest mature vote they'll ever get. If the Greens can't win those like me me over, it's lights out.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm the easiest mature vote they'll ever get. If the Greens can't win those like me me over, it's lights out.

Based on anecdotal evidence, you are closer to Clive Palmer or Pauline Hanson than the Greens.

 

[evolved2]

Based on anecdotal evidence, you are closer to Clive Palmer or Pauline Hanson than the Greens.

I've placed ON last on every ballot in living memory.

Look beyond your algos.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I've placed ON last on every ballot in living memory.

Look beyond your algos.

Your anti-woke crusade sits you right between them. You're like the Big Footy version of Ralph Babet.

Yes, I know it's an act. Ralph is acting too!

 

[evolved2]

Your anti-woke crusade sits you right between them. You're like the Big Footy version of Ralph Babet.

Yes, I know it's an act. Ralph is acting too!

I don't want to see any of you campaigners win. Maybe Saylor...maybe.

It felt so good reporting you. Truly!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I don't want to see any of you campaigners win. Maybe Saylor...maybe.

It felt so good reporting you. Truly!

I wish your wife would let you be an anarchist.

 

[evolved2]

I wish your wife would let you be an anarchist.

She said no.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Has any survey shown that to be true?

The willingness of progressives to align themselves with Islam is baffling to me.

Why do you regard not wanting to ban all Muslims from living here as aligning with Islam?

Would you say it's inpossible for an Australian Muslim to be in favour of women's rights or tolerant of LGBT+ people existing?

I'd say they move here for freedom and will push Islamic ideals on society regardless.

It's a Trojan horse even if unintended.

What Islamic ideals have they pushed onto Australian society so far? Is it all people from other cultures that are Trojan Horses, or just Muslims?

An atheist government is a dream. Sign me up.

North Korea is just a plane trip away! Clearly there are other criteria beyond just atheism for your dream.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

You should be all for Islamic migration - to increase conservatism.

I'm reminded of this political compass meme.

 

[Gralin]

I've placed ON last on every ballot in living memory.

Look beyond your algos.

You won the internet. Congratulations.

I generally vote against politicians more than for them. Progressives seem particularly dumb in 2024, so I'll place the Greens below One Nation next time around.

 

[Gralin]

It's almost like your only real position is whatever is the opposite of what anyone else says at the time evolved2

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I’ve read this three times and still don’t know what your point is.

Islam stinks.

Does every single Muslim stink (figuratively)? Including those who aren't all that observant?

 

[evolved2]

Why do you regard not wanting to ban all Muslims from living here as aligning with Islam?

I wouldn't ban Islam or Muslims, but I'd cap immigration numbers from Islamic nations. We can only absorb so many at a time, no?

Would you say it's inpossible for an Australian Muslim to be in favour of women's rights or tolerant of LGBT+ people existing?

Not impossible, but lets be reasonable. Islam is a barbaric belief system that some will defend because it's anti-white and anti-west.

What Islamic ideals have they pushed onto Australian society so far? Is it all people from other cultures that are Trojan Horses, or just Muslims?

Hijab and burqa for starters.

The expectation of different attire and beliefs for 'their' people is barbaric.

More will come in time. You'll probably support that too.

If white men wanted their women to wear clothing to show their subordination towards a god, you'd be up in arms.

North Korea is just a plane trip away! Clearly there are other criteria beyond just atheism for your dream.

I'm happy to have a secular government that wants the best for its citizens.

 

[evolved2]

It's almost like your only real position is whatever is the opposite of what anyone else says at the time evolved2

You would think that.

 

[Gralin]

You would think that.

I mean it's the way you keep contradicting yourself