Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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[Carringbush2010]

Why do you think they're seeking a better life when their women cover themselves up just the same way they did before migrating?

If they wanted to be like us, they'd wear a one or two-piece, no?

But they don't want to be like us, they are who they are, just because they still wear their garb doesn't equate to sharia law invading and taking over liberal democracy.

If you're a liberal you wouldn't be worried about this, coz liberals accept and celebrate all and sundry cultures, not look to extinguish it, again that doesn't equate to us liberal democrats just lying down and letting all and sundry take over.

I'm very surprised by your view point here as I consider you one of the more sensible and practical posters on these boards.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I've not once advocated for deporting Muslims.

This is inconsistent, you've implied that islam / muslim is a threat to liberal democracy, if you haven't then your defence of your position is inconsistent.

 

[CM86]

Weird. Moving on...

Well, what did you have in mind?
What do they owe you for them getting to live in Australia and raise their children, and have a life.

What should you get out of it?
We all deserve something from it, right?
I mean... this is our country.
And sure, all kinds of other nationalities and ethnicities are welcomed.
But not these ones, these ones have to pay.

 

[Gralin]

Australians aren't homophobic.

It appears 38% of them are but it's good to see you don't tar the entire country based on that.

 

[CM86]

Well this is a clear example of you misinterpreting my post, not surprised.

If you comprehended it correctly you'd know I was asking another possible how this would be possible, which it isn't.

Read my post again and comprehend it correctly, it'll do you a world of good.

**** me, you don't even understand your own questions.


You put it that how can people have these positions, without it being bigotry or racism etc.


I spent time explaining the basics to you, in that you can't have those positions without there being some prejudice.
I made the point that you don't need to be actively trying to be racist. That you're ignorance fear of 'others' can be racist, even if you're not trying to be.

But that's just too difficult a concept for you to get your head around.
In your tiny world, unless someone has planned and carried out a deliberate act of 'racisms', then it's impossible for someone to have acted in a racist manner.



I explained to you why you wouldn't get an answer from them. I explained why.

You just said I was wrong, and it's due to my failings.


SO.
I'm saying, if I'm wrong, you give the right answer.
You can't.
And I know you can't. And you can't for the reasons I explained when I answered your stupid questions.


I better sign off. Because I'm just fed up with the apathy for human lives. The ignorance. The incuriousness. And just the standard fear of actually engaging and having your ideas tested.

Night you bunch of bastards.

Happy New Year if I don't see you before.

 

[Gethelred]

Lol.

Double lol.

Triple lol.

Yeah.

Bye now.

 

[evolved2]

But they don't want to be like us, they are who they are, just because they still wear their garb doesn't equate to sharia law invading and taking over liberal democracy.

If you're a liberal you wouldn't be worried about this, coz liberals accept and celebrate all and sundry cultures, not look to extinguish it, again that doesn't equate to us liberal democrats just lying down and letting all and sundry take over.

I'm very surprised by your view point here as I consider you one of the more sensible and practical posters on these boards.

Immigration can be a big win for all of us when assimilation happens. They become a part of us and 'us' becomes bigger and stronger. I love the Muslim people I know, but not because of their beliefs.

At the rate they are immigrating, we can't assimilate them all. That's my main point of opposition.

 

[Carringbush2010]

**** me, you don't even understand your own questions.

Oh I understood it alright.

You put it that how can people have these positions, without it being bigotry or racism etc.

It's not a fait accompli that it's racism / bigotry. That's your assumption that it is.

I spent time explaining the basics to you, in that you can't have those positions without there being some prejudice.

Again, this is what I explained earlier to, you can't get past this. Unwarranted fear undeniably = racism.

Oh and happy new year, maybe stop grinding the axe come 2025. It'll do you a world of good.

 

[Gralin]

Oh I understood it alright.

It's not a fait accompli that it's racism / bigotry. That's your assumption that it is.

Again, this is what I explained earlier to, you can't get past this. Unwarranted fear undeniably = racism.

Oh and happy new year, maybe stop grinding the axe come 2025. It'll do you a world of good.

Is this fear reasonable or unreasonable in this instance?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Immigration can be a big win for all of us when assimilation happens. They become a part of us and 'us' becomes bigger and stronger. I love the Muslim people I know, but not because of their beliefs.

At the rate they are immigrating, we can't assimilate them all. That's my main point of opposition.

But no one need to assimilate, everyone who comes here just needs to accept the liberal democracy we live in and abide by the laws. That doesn't mean all muslim chicks need to discard their burkas and hijabs and adopt two piece bikinis.

The bogeyman greeks, asians and italians didn't need to throw away their cultures and values to co exist with us strayans peacefully, what happened was us strayans embraced what they brought to us and most of those immigrants accepted our way of life. Like 99.99% of muslims do now.

I don't see current immigration as an impediment to our way of life, like zero.

Again, this mindset is rather odd coming from you.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Is this fear reasonable or unreasonable in this instance?

The fear of sharia law taking over? That is absolutely unreasonable.

Racism? Well you'd have to read the persons mind with that fear, not automatically label it racist.

 

[Gralin]

The fear of sharia law taking over? That is absolutely unreasonable.

Racism? Well you'd have to read the persons mind with that fear, not automatically label it racist.

So what is the root do you think of the unreasonable fear of Muslims becoming the dominant demographic in Australia?

 

[Carringbush2010]

So what is the root do you think of the unreasonable fear of Muslims becoming the dominant demographic in Australia?

I've already stated this, the irrational fear that sharia law will replace our liberal democracy < that fear is not automatically racism imo.

Because racism may not be intended. Or it may be intended, so unless you can read the mind of that person who claims that irrational fear then you can't know for sure.

That is why I disagree with the automatic fear = racism bullshit, on top of that it discredits debate.

 

[Gralin]

I've already stated this, the irrational fear that sharia law will replace our liberal democracy < that fear is not automatically racism imo.

Because racism may not be intended. Or it may be intended, so unless you can read the mind of that person who claims that irrational fear then you can't know for sure.

That is why I disagree with the automatic fear = racism bullshit, on top of that it discredits debate.

But why do they fear that Sharia law will replace our law?

How can it happen?

We have the reasoning in this thread which is the Muslim population will grow faster than the non Muslim population.

So what makes them think that will happen?

 

[Carringbush2010]

But why do they fear that Sharia law will replace our law?

How can it happen?

We have the reasoning in this thread which is the Muslim population will grow faster than the non Muslim population.

So what makes them think that will happen?

Maybe ask those who have that irrational fear, coz I couldn't tell ya, coz the fear is irrational.

 

[Gralin]

Maybe ask those who have that irrational fear, coz I couldn't tell ya, coz the fear is irrational.

Ah but you're happy to speak on their behalf when others suggest a reason for that fear you don't like

Meaning you're happy to say it's not racism or bigotry but are unwilling to say what it could be

 

[Carringbush2010]

Ah but you're happy to speak on their behalf when others suggest a reason for that fear you don't like

Meaning you're happy to say it may or may not be racism or bigotry.

EFA.

Maybe read my posts again.

I'm not speaking on their behalf, I'm stating one shouldn't automatically assume someone is intentionally racist because they have an irrational fear.

That sort of assumption is discriminatory itself.

 

[Gralin]

EFA.

Maybe read my posts again.

I'm not speaking on their behalf, I'm stating one shouldn't automatically assume someone is intentionally racist because they have an irrational fear.

That sort of assumption is discriminatory itself.

Yes but you don't ever interrogate whether their position is racist you just take offence at the suggestion it could be.

So again if you're not going to own an opinion yourself or investigate an answer what are you doing other than running cover?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yes but you don't ever interrogate whether their position is racist you just take offence at the suggestion it could be.

So again if you're not going to own an opinion yourself or investigate an answer what are you doing other than running cover?

This is an expected response.

I don't need to interrogate, and no I'm not 'running for cover', if I was then I wouldn't be replying to your frivolous questions.

You're obviously one who automatically assumes racism based on others irrational fear, otherwise you wouldn't be going down this rabbit hole.

 

[Gralin]

This is an expected response.

I don't need to interrogate, and no I'm not 'running for cover', if I was then I wouldn't be replying to your frivolous questions.

You're obviously one who automatically assumes racism based on others irrational fear, otherwise you wouldn't be going down this rabbit hole.

Ok so clearly you didn't read my post correctly.

If you're defending someone elses position without knowing what it is and also without finding out what it is....

What is the point?

 

[CM86]

one shouldn't automatically assume someone is intentionally racist because they have an irrational fear.

Who's done that?
Not I.
In fact you don't even need to read my mind to know I didn't... Because I literally explained the logical steps I followed that lead to that view.

But off you go, play on.

You've no idea what the reason could possibly be. But you know I'm wrong.
You can't even attempt to engage with the foundational points I made.
You have to desperately ignore the fact that I also used my premise it to explain why YOU couldn't answer the question, and why no one you tagged would be able to answer the question.

This is an expected response.

I don't need to interrogate, and no I'm not 'running for cover', if I was then I wouldn't be replying to your frivolous questions.

You're obviously one who automatically assumes racism based on others irrational fear, otherwise you wouldn't be going down this rabbit hole.

That's interesting.
You never had any expectations for them to answer.
You refused to accept my answer.
And you've now pointed out that you didn't care what answer we gave you, you were just going to ignore it and say that we are discriminating because we "automatically assume racism".

 

[CM86]

https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-children-live-in-conflict-zones-says-unicef

Almost one in five children live in conflict zones, says Unicef.​

UN humanitarian body warns that dramatic increase in harm to children should not become the ‘new normal’.​

Nearly one in five of the world’s children live in areas affected by conflicts, with more than 473 million children suffering from the worst levels of violence since the second world war, according to figures published by the UN.​

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Unicef drew attention in particular to the plight of women and girls, amid widespread reports of rape and sexual violence in conflicts. It said that in Haiti there had been a 1,000% increase in the number of reported incidents of sexual violence against children over the course of 2024 alone.​

But to be fair, if they really didn't want to be r*ped, they would have started wearing a two piece bathing suit a lot sooner.
Having said that, Haiti is majority Catholic, not Islamic. So I have to assume the data is wrong.

I mean, we don't owe these kids anything. They haven't done anything to earn a better life.
If they can't offer anything to Australia, who cares?
Skill issue.
Sucks to suck!
Try being born in a better place next time, noobs.




This kind of thing is so heartbreaking and overwhelming. I know I shouldn't use it as a weapon to attack posters with untenable positions.
Partly because it takes a portion of focus away from the real issue.
But mostly because it allows the people it's aimed at to be the victims, feeling unfairly attacked. And just become defensive.

But **** it. You deserve to have this slapped in your face. And I hope you have the resilience to see past yourselves and actually reconsider your positions based on your values and morals.

 

[10571z]

But why do they fear that Sharia law will replace our law?

How can it happen?

We have the reasoning in this thread which is the Muslim population will grow faster than the non Muslim population.

So what makes them think that will happen?

I wouldn't say there is a fear of Sharia replacing our law in this life time. But Muslims are extremely dedicated to their religion and could certainly push their agenda politically once they see a pathway.

 

[Chief]

Maybe I'll learn how to support a better AFL team...like Carlton!

At last you're looking at the data and making a sound choice.

 

[Chief]

Australians aren't homophobic.