Will Brisbane Trade for Raines?

[Lehmo87]

Low cost (3rd pick in a weak draft) for someone who is still young, has experience, and has shown he can be good at the top level.

Bring it on

This is one of the reasons why I'm more positive on taking Raines than other suggestion thrown around on this board. I'm much more willing for the club to take a risk on a young player who still has a future rather than an older player nearing his end as a football player. It is very rare that you're going to get someone for a 3rd round pick whom everyone unanimously every agrees one.

 

[TimeFor11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOx1bu3LRJw&feature=related At about the 58 second mark probably Richmond supporters best memory of Rainesy thats when he was on fire.

If you can get him back to 07' form its a bloody bargain cos I tell you right now he was a lot better than Sheldon, Hawksley, Roe, Hooper, Harding.

 

[Hollow Knight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOx1bu3LRJw&feature=related At about the 58 second mark probably Richmond supporters best memory of Rainesy thats when he was on fire.

If you can get him back to 07' form its a bloody bargain cos I tell you right now he was a lot better than Sheldon, Hawksley, Roe, Hooper, Harding.

I know you are trying to be polite, but Sheldon and Hawksley in particular have outstanding potential. Probably not a politically correct comparison to make.

 

[whatboutbob]

I'd appreciate an assessment of Raines during 2006/2007, perhaps by a helpful Tigers fan. Everyone's harped on about his last couple of years and perceived weaknesses, but I was o/s during his "successful" years and if the reports are true then Voss clearly sees something in him.

I know he's been talked about as a HBF, but I'm wondering if Voss is looking to bolster our midfield...? From what I've gleaned from this thread:

Pros:
Pace
Takes It On


Cons:
Foot skills
Decision making

Is a slightly slower Sherman an unfair comparison (and yes...I know he's on the improve...but doesn't that prove a point)?

 

[UpTheGuts]

I know you are trying to be polite, but Sheldon and Hawksley in particular have outstanding potential. Probably not a politically correct comparison to make.

I think his point was that Raines has played at times much better than do those players named now.

Hope it's a win-win

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

Trade him for Charman.

Charman wont get a game at Bris with Clarke and Leunberger ahead of him, Id also imagine Charman would be on decent money too.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I notice the article says that the deal will be "a third-round national draft" pick, and not necessarily "Brisbane's" third-round selection.

That careful wording reminds me almost exactly of the Akermanis trade in 2006 where the deal was Aker to the Bulldogs in exchange for a second round selection. We didn't get the Doggie's second rounder (#29), because they actually downgraded it to #34 as part of the Andrew McDougall trade. We got pick 34 as a result.

Wouldn't surprise me if we did something similar and the Tigers got an even worse third-rounder than ours.

 

[Old Den]

I am just hoping that there is no move away from the only trade for quality policy that has served the club so well in the last decade.

Before the 2005 draft it was reckoned to be weak but John Anthony,Rhan Hooper,Robert Warnock,Andrew Swallow,Alipate Carlile,Ryan Gamble and Sam Lonergan were all taken in the third round.

 

[POBT]

For that to occur, we'd need to trade a player for that lower third round pick.

In my mind, this aint necessarily a done deal. I think that Brisbane has agreed to take Raines and Richmond have agreed to try and get him there. I highly doubt that at this point in proceedings, pre-draft camp, pre- knowing which established players are looking to move, Brisbane are in a position to know what they are going to do with their draft selections. I could easily see that in trade week, Brisbane will work out what is likely to be their last pick and then offer Richmond the one following. Whether that is round 3, 4 or 5 will be irrelevant to us but obviously quite important to Richmond.

 

[UpTheGuts]

I'd appreciate an assessment of Raines during 2006/2007, perhaps by a helpful Tigers fan. Everyone's harped on about his last couple of years and perceived weaknesses, but I was o/s during his "successful" years and if the reports are true then Voss clearly sees something in him.

I know he's been talked about as a HBF, but I'm wondering if Voss is looking to bolster our midfield...? From what I've gleaned from this thread:

Pros:
Pace
Takes It On


Cons:
Foot skills
Decision making

Is a slightly slower Sherman an unfair comparison (and yes...I know he's on the improve...but doesn't that prove a point)?

His ability to find the ball is not in doubt. He has a long drop to his boot and leans back so he is not the best when under pressure as it takes a fair while to get the ball to foot. His kicks loop a bit much, though normally he's booting it from HB so we didn't mind that much. First ever handball Cuz received was from Raines and it was to his bootlaces from 4m away. This would be the case in the midfield. He has played FB (Lloyd), BP (Medhurst) CHB, HBF. I wouldn't call him fast, but he has some dash (if that makes sense - he bustles more than explodes)

Ideally, he would be a winger, but simply hasn't been on the park and for all his wailings he was rarely named in the best for the reserves in the last 2 years.

Physicality is a big strength, just don't make him a designated kicker. A year injury free and a firm decision could be made. He was draft pick 76 - not a f/s, so he may have peaked.

Many thought he would win the Rising Star. I cannot see a role for him forward of centre, but he played tall and small at Richmond and some settled gametime would surely assist.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I am just hoping that there is no move away from the only trade for quality policy that has served the club so well in the last decade.

Before the 2005 draft it was reckoned to be weak but John Anthony,Rhan Hooper,Robert Warnock,Andrew Swallow,Alipate Carlile,Ryan Gamble and Sam Lonergan were all taken in the third round.

I guess the issue with this draft is that the Gold Coast has already pillaged it a little by having priority access to the bottom agers, along with the fact that clubs loaded up on last years bottom agers last year as well as an offset.

All the club would have done this year is looked at who is likely to go in the third round and seen that most of them have similar levels of perceived weaknesses as Raines who at least has a few years development under his belt.

 

[Barnzy]

I notice the article says that the deal will be "a third-round national draft" pick, and not necessarily "Brisbane's" third-round selection.

That careful wording reminds me almost exactly of the Akermanis trade in 2006 where the deal was Aker to the Bulldogs in exchange for a second round selection. We didn't get the Doggie's second rounder (#29), because they actually downgraded it to #34 as part of the Andrew McDougall trade. We got pick 34 as a result.

Wouldn't surprise me if we did something similar and the Tigers got an even worse third-rounder than ours.

At least you hope so. The article also says Raines will try and reinvent himself at Brisbane and that Voss has signed off on it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

For that to occur, we'd need to trade a player for that lower third round pick.

Would not be surprised at all to see a Jason Roe type traded away for a very low third round selection POBT.

 

[Old Den]

I notice the article says that the deal will be "a third-round national draft" pick, and not necessarily "Brisbane's" third-round selection.

That careful wording reminds me almost exactly of the Akermanis trade in 2006 where the deal was Aker to the Bulldogs in exchange for a second round selection. We didn't get the Doggie's second rounder (#29), because they actually downgraded it to #34 as part of the Andrew McDougall trade. We got pick 34 as a result.

Wouldn't surprise me if we did something similar and the Tigers got an even worse third-rounder than ours.

And missed out on having the choice of Ricky Petterd and Kurt Tippett as well as Chris Schmidt as a result.

 

[Hollow Knight]

At least you hope so.

Oh god... what a silly post. I've already said that our third round pick isn't anything special... I couldn't care less mate.

I just found the wording in the article quite unusual and sparked memories of the Akermanis trade. I could be wrong, could be right. Its really a nothing trade at the end of the day either way.

But I can understand that you guys feel the need for a "win" so if you like I can pretend to be hoping against hope that we give you pick 47 instead of 44. Its really keeping me up at night.

 

[Hollow Knight]

And missed out on having the choice of Ricky Petterd and Kurt Tippett as well as Chris Schmidt as a result.

Schmidt was considered by many to be a first round selection in that draft. We very may well have taken him anyway. Hard to say.

Obviously in retrospect it looks bad.

 

[Cousin Jed]

His Dad said he had issues with decision making and ball use.

I can see why we are interested.

 

[TimeFor11]

His biggest Pro is that he runs the lines via link up well. He actually played on Riewoldt once which was puzzling but only had 5 kicked on him I think which was a fair effort.

His kicking is an interesting one, it is actually ok buy can go a bit skewiff at times. Same kicking action as his dad from what I saw off Geoff in highlights packages.

 

[lionbear]

Well worth the punt, if fit could be a very good player for us.

 

[lionbear]

I notice the article says that the deal will be "a third-round national draft" pick, and not necessarily "Brisbane's" third-round selection.

That careful wording reminds me almost exactly of the Akermanis trade in 2006 where the deal was Aker to the Bulldogs in exchange for a second round selection. We didn't get the Doggie's second rounder (#29), because they actually downgraded it to #34 as part of the Andrew McDougall trade. We got pick 34 as a result.

Wouldn't surprise me if we did something similar and the Tigers got an even worse third-rounder than ours.

I think this situation is more until we finish our finals series we don't know what number our 3rd round pick actually is.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

I dont mind raines, the only concern I have is where would he fit in to the side...
Will struggle to get a game in the back line with Merrett, MacDonald, Adcock, Drummond, Patful and McGrath ahead of him.
The only other option is on the wing, even then will he be better than Rich, Redden, Power, Black etc etc

 

[Mazza44]

I would much rather get more games into Sheldon and Hawksley then give Raines another chance. These two players will be 10 year players at our club and all Raines will be doing is costing them an oppurtunity.

 

[TimeFor11]

I dont mind raines, the only concern I have is where would he fit in to the side...
Will struggle to get a game in the back line with Merrett, MacDonald, Adcock, Drummond, Patful and McGrath ahead of him.
The only other option is on the wing, even then will he be better than Rich, Redden, Power, Black etc etc

You could move Adcock into the Midfield he has done well there before.

I would much rather get more games into Sheldon and Hawksley then give Raines another chance. These two players will be 10 year players at our club and all Raines will be doing is costing them an oppurtunity.

He is 23... not like he is some old washed up player.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You could move Adcock into the Midfield he has done well there before.

Once again, you're trying to be "nice" but its coming across as a little condescending. We are aware of what our players are and aren't capable of.

Jed had a great burst in the midfield in the second half of 2007 but couldn't get anywhere close to that sort of form in 2008 and as such, defence looks the best place for him.

 

[POBT]

I am purposely blocking out memories of "2nd half 2007 Jed". Until he replicates it, I think we need to assume that he's a bloody good back pocket who just can't quite play at the same level on ball. Not to say that the occasional stint is beyond him - rather, he just isn't our permanent answer in the midfield.