Will Brisbane Trade for Raines?

[lionshine]

Maybe the club are trading for him so we can play Drummond or McGrath up forward. I would prefer to keep McGrath down back because thats where he play his best footy but if he is kicking 2 goals form the backline he could be like a Mark LeCras to us! I would like to see McGrath given a run in the middle too.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Might as well just whack some wheels on the fence we're sitting on...

Mobile fence sitters, brilliant TFB… Generally, sitters opinions lack direction and just go around in circles, if indeed they move at all. Therefore, surely there is no need for the bandwagon driver to have ‘Raines’ or a steering wheel.

Looks like we’ve just proved that a problem can be solved by just sitting on the fence.

 

[lvt06]

Raines to lions for 3rd round pick

The first trade deal on October 5 will be between Richmond and Brisbane, which has agreed to exchange a third-round national draft selection for Raines, 23, who has not played for the Tigers since round nine. A spate of injuries and a lack of form has contributed to Raines playing just five games over the past two seasons, after he did not miss a senior game in 2006 and 2007.

Lions coach Michael Voss has given his blessing for the exchange involving Raines. West Coast is set to lose up to three out-of-contract players as well as Brent Staker, who has another year of his contract to run with the Eagles.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Re: Raines to lions for 3rd round pick

I take it this ^^^ has come from a publication of some sort. Any chance for a source/link.

If that's true, it's a very good indication we'll only be using 2 draft picks

 

[Grimreepah]

The above comment comes from this article.

 

[irel]

Until either of the clubs release an official statement we can only speculate. Historically we have taken, minimum, four picks and on a rare occasion up to seven. I don't believe this is the year we will be clearing the decks. However, if we maintain our low four picks it may mean with elevations there could be up to six players moved off the list.
Or alternatively, there will be no elevations, and only minimum three spaces made available and trading for Rains means we will only have as TFB says, only two picks in the draft and no participation in the rookie draft.
If this is fact and we have agreed to trade our third round pick for Raines I fail to see where the added value is in this deal. Raines type player we have plenty of. IMHO he is excess to needs. I also have an issue of paying, again IMO, above market price.

 

[jackess]

Who does the writer of this story think he is Nostradamus.

I'd be happy for Brisbane to trade their third rounder for him especially if that third rounder is pick 49.

 

[beaver fever]

3 national draft picks is the minimum allowed FYI.

 

[Ironmonger]

If this is fact and we have agreed to trade our third round pick for Raines I fail to see where the added value is in this deal. Raines type player we have plenty of. IMHO he is excess to needs. I also have an issue of paying, again IMO, above market price.

The added value is that Raines is a known commodity who has proven he can contribute at AFL level. You don't have that certainty about most third round draft picks.

Plus he's already played his first 50 games which is generally the toughest developmental period for a footballer.

I don't think we are overburdened with quality small defenders to be honest. Most of our developing young players are midfielders and forwards. I'm not convinced that this guy is the solution but I don't have a problem with this trade.

 

[notting18]

3 national draft picks is the minimum allowed FYI.

Rookie elevations can be included as the 3 selections from this year onwards and their seems to be likely consensus about Hanley being upgraded.

 

[jackess]

That article said Spangher was looking to be traded. He could be a potential CHB. I think Brisbane would probably have to part with at least their second round pick though. But I'd prefer Spangher to Staker.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Or alternatively, there will be no elevations, and only minimum three spaces made available and trading for Rains means we will only have as TFB says, only two picks in the draft and no participation in the rookie draft.
If this is fact and we have agreed to trade our third round pick for Raines I fail to see where the added value is in this deal. Raines type player we have plenty of. IMHO he is excess to needs. I also have an issue of paying, again IMO, above market price.

I'd also consider 3rd round as probably above the odds. But if we only use our 1st & 2nd rounders, then it doesn't really matter.

I should change my above statement to "could very well indicate we'll only be using 2 draft picks".

 

[LuckyLuke]

Re: Raines to lions for 3rd round pick

The first trade deal on October 5 will be between Richmond and Brisbane, which has agreed to exchange a third-round national draft selection for Raines, 23, who has not played for the Tigers since round nine. A spate of injuries and a lack of form has contributed to Raines playing just five games over the past two seasons, after he did not miss a senior game in 2006 and 2007.

Lions coach Michael Voss has given his blessing for the exchange involving Raines. West Coast is set to lose up to three out-of-contract players as well as Brent Staker, who has another year of his contract to run with the Eagles.

SEN were saying the same thing this morning, although i don't know if they were just repeating what they've read from that article.

 

[POBT]

I can't us trading in more than one player. If the story is true and we've agreed to take Raines, then I really can't see us taking Staker et al.

As far as small defenders go, we seem pretty well off with Ash and Jed (I see neither moving away from those roles given the success they have had there and the relative lack of success in other roles). I could see Raines as part of the midfield rotation - keeping in mind that TJ is going to be on his last year of this contract and Power/Black can really only be seen as year by year propositions, it is not the worst idea to bring some depth into the midfield.

I don't mind him as a footballer. He works hard and gets his head over it. That fits our club's culture. He's also capable of a bit of dash which is something that we lack on occasion.

 

[borrat]

once vossy gets the richmond out of him could he be turned into a small forward that we need

 

[Barnzy]

Don't need him. Can find the footy but butchers it like a serial killer.

Bordering on list-clogger status for mine.

He wants home, he can't get a game at Richmond, they don't deserve anything of value.

Simple as that.

Token "nothing" Corrie 5th round pick. Nothing more.

Personally, I'd hate to see anyone currently on our list get delisted to make room for him.

I have more interest in flower arranging than I do in Andrew Raines.



I'm convinced it will be a nothing pick involved, nothing more.

Well get used to it, your club seems to have a different line of thinking to you. This deal will get done, Denham always has very good mail on Richmond matters. Thanks for taking the hack off our hands.

 

[irel]

The added value is that Raines is a known commodity who has proven he can contribute at AFL level. You don't have that certainty about most third round draft picks.

The only known commodity about Raines is that he has poor disposal skills, turns the ball over regularly, lacks the phisicality that Leigh and Voss would have demanded of any Lion.

Two points on your "You don't have that certainty about most third round draft picks" comment.

I was not referring to the third round picks that may be available in this draft, but on our already bulging list of HBFers on the side lines putting pressure for selection NOW. Addcock to return, Hawksley, Austin, Hanley, I'd include Dalziell on this list, I'd also like to see Proud tried in this role as well, not forgeting Sheldon and few others on the list that are quite comfortably ahead of Raines IMO.

If you also note we have had a few good third round selections over the last few years. So i would rather us take a chance on a young one from the draft than get a potential list clogger.

 

[Roger The Sheep]

When does betting open for the 2010 Grogan Medal?

 

[irel]

When does betting open for the 2010 Grogan Medal?

Zachary!

 

[Grimreepah]

No one seems to rate Raines, but he did come 2nd in the Rising Star a few years ago and finish runner up in Richmond's B&F. Did he forget how to play?

To me it is more a gamble on whether he can stay injury free, rather than whether he has the ability.

Low cost (3rd pick in a weak draft) for someone who is still young, has experience, and has shown he can be good at the top level.

Bring it on

 

[Grimreepah]

The only known commodity about Raines is that he has poor disposal skills, turns the ball over regularly, lacks the phisicality that Leigh and Voss would have demanded of any Lion.

My recollection is that this was one of his strengths.

 

[T Rick]

I have personally always rated Raines. It seems that Richmond really do struggle to bring out the best in players. I think we give him a shot.

 

[irel]

My recollection is that this was one of his strengths.

To my recollection it was more his running, bouncing and meterage advancement that was the element that got him noticed in the Raising Star year. However it has been a steady decline since ending up in the Richmond reserves when the Tigers were crying out for a running type flanker.
Could be other issues, but purely on his output over the last few years he does not provide me with confidence that a third round draft pick, (no matter how deep the draft is perceived) is a reasonable outcome.

 

[UpTheGuts]

once vossy gets the richmond out of him could he be turned into a small forward that we need

He might be a few things, Rainsey, but a small fwd is not and could never be.

His Dad said he had issues with decision making and ball use. In my mind, that's 2/3 of the 3 basic requirements of an AFL player that even his Dad knows he sucks at.

Wish him well - nice bloke

 

[Hollow Knight]

Well get used to it, your club seems to have a different line of thinking to you. This deal will get done, Denham always has very good mail on Richmond matters. Thanks for taking the hack off our hands.

Brisbane's third rounder in this exceptionally weak draft will be a nothing pick. If you get someone even as average as Raines with it you'd have done very well. That would be a challenge for a club with good recruiters... let alone Richmond.

While we are thanking each other's recruiting departments though... thanks for taking Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls one pick before Mitch Clark in 2005. I noticed JON was delisted on the same day that Clark was named in the 40-man All-Australian squad... that must have stung a little.

Back on Raines though, the big challenge will be reversing the damage of several years of Richmond's development culture, if anyone can do it, it will be Brisbane, but I fear that the situation may have already become terminal. Once he dons the mighty maroon, blue and gold though, he has my full support.