Prediction Will the Hawks go a step further in 2025?

[peetoo]

You're right, not every season. But generally we've finished seasons stronger than we start the next (and even than we've started that same season).

2018 - won 6 of the last 8
2019 - lost 3 of the first 5; won the last 3
2020 - lost 5 of the first 8; won last 1
2021 - lost 4 of the first 5; won 3 drew 1 of the last 4
2022 - lost 6 of the first 9; won 4 of the last 7
2023 - lost 8 of the first 9; won 3 of the last 7
2024 - lost the first 5

Thanks for that, but to be a real comparison you should pick a run of games…say 5 and consistently anylise that

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

In comparison to other areas on the ground, ie when at our best we play all 4 of MacDonald, Ginnivan, Watson and Moore, often with Breust in addition as sub. Who is next man up from BH if one of them gets injured?

Hardwick goes forward, Mitchell, Bailey or Ryan come into the side.

 

[hawkman]

Hardwick goes forward, Mitchell, Bailey or Ryan come into the side.

Depends how Butler progresses over preseason he could be an option as well

 

[threesixpio]

Funny you mention him, I was thinking he could have the attributes to get games early in his career as a pressure forward. Fingers crossed

Yeah if anything that’s where I see him too early on

 

[threesixpio]

Hardwick goes forward, Mitchell, Bailey or Ryan come into the side.

Seamus had a pretty decent 23. Another forgotten man due to injuries

 

[HawthornHawk]

Depends how Butler progresses over preseason he could be an option as well

I hope so, seems to have all the attributes to make it in that high half forward role, but from what i've seen we play him a bit deeper and he has had very little impact.

I guess it's hard when MacDonald and Moore are ahead of you

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

I hope so, seems to have all the attributes to make it in that high half forward role, but from what i've seen we play him a bit deeper and he has had very little impact.

I guess it's hard when MacDonald and Moore are ahead of you

Agree. Think it's going to be another tough decision to make

 

[FB19]

Agree. Think it's going to be another tough decision to make

To be fair Butler isn’t a forward and in the 2021 draft there isn’t anyone after him except CMac that you would even take now ahead of him with the possible exception of Soligo. I would love to see him on a wing or half back where he had the space to use his high cruising speed to be damaging that’s where he was best in his draft year. He may simply be at the wrong club now I can see him joining his brother at the saints at years end.

 

[kazzooka]

Seamus had a pretty decent 23. Another forgotten man due to injuries

Seamus unfortunately was very shaky early in 2024. Didn't get as much ball as previous year nor did he use it as well. Was also a bit off defensively. I think we were counting on him to step up to play dimma forward but with the midfield struggling, Mitchell not playing so well Hardwick was needed down back.

I think we have enough firepower forward but Hardwick is a different look as a brute with forward craft and accurate kick.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Depends how Butler progresses over preseason he could be an option as well

He is absolutely super fit.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Must hit the season running and build momentum from the beginning. A slow start could find us struggling for the rest of the season.

 

[tommyk72]

Must hit the season running and build momentum from the beginning. A slow start could find us struggling for the rest of the season.

Just like this year, right

 

[cryptor]

Just like this year, right

We may not have "struggled" as such, but our finals hopes were constantly sitting on a knife's edge in the run home.

Two extra wins, or even just not conceding that last second goal against Port in round 10, and then we finish top 2. From there it would have just been three MCG wins between us and the flag.

 

[threesixpio]

We may not have "struggled" as such, but our finals hopes were constantly sitting on a knife's edge in the run home.

Two extra wins, or even just not conceding that last second goal against Port in round 10, and then we finish top 2. From there it would have just been three MCG wins between us and the flag.

Which makes the possible fivethorn devastating for all of us - I agree

 

[tommyk72]

We may not have "struggled" as such, but our finals hopes were constantly sitting on a knife's edge in the run home.

Two extra wins, or even just not conceding that last second goal against Port in round 10, and then we finish top 2. From there it would have just been three MCG wins between us and the flag.

Agree. But it was a bloody fun season

 

[cryptor]

Agree. But it was a bloody fun season

Easily the best and most fun season I can remember experiencing that didn’t end with a premiership. 2007 after that.

 

[threesixpio]

Easily the best and most fun season I can remember experiencing that didn’t end with a premiership. 2007 after that.

Even neutrals who normally hate Hawthorn tell me how much they liked watching us. That says something

 

[threesixpio]

Seamus unfortunately was very shaky early in 2024. Didn't get as much ball as previous year nor did he use it as well. Was also a bit off defensively. I think we were counting on him to step up to play dimma forward but with the midfield struggling, Mitchell not playing so well Hardwick was needed down back.

I think we have enough firepower forward but Hardwick is a different look as a brute with forward craft and accurate kick.

The versatility of Hardwick is bonkers. Also Sic. Weapons

 

[Sirlemsip]

The versatility of Hardwick is bonkers. Also Sic. Weapons

The whole team is scarily versatile.

Outside of Reeves and Barrass (and ignoring the kids under ~22 who are still finding their place), who else can't be shuffled around to another part of the ground?

Even someone 'limited' like Frosty can still play on talls or smalls if needed.

 

[Roddy]

The whole team is scarily versatile.

Outside of Reeves and Barrass (and ignoring the kids under ~22 who are still finding their place), who else can't be shuffled around to another part of the ground?

Even someone 'limited' like Frosty can still play on talls or smalls if needed.

Weds is already arguably the most versatile player in the game. Can LITERALLY play in any position on the field.

 

[peetoo]

Early doors but squiggle has hawks finishing top and narrow favouritism to win against Sydney

Carlton 11th premiership and a top 10 pick

 

[peetoo]

heck I hate entitled arrogant hawks supporters.


Fourpete

Take it one flag at a time. Leigh Matthews

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Early doors but squiggle has hawks finishing top and narrow favouritism to win against Sydney

Carlton 11th premiership and a top 10 pick

It’s actually the aggregate of 2 data algorithms that have provided simulations to date, not the Squiggle.

 

[Brant]

Early doors but squiggle has hawks finishing top and narrow favouritism to win against Sydney

Carlton 11th premiership and a top 10 pick

There's obviously a fair margin for error within Squiggle (& other) algorithms.

E.g.: they've got other teams scoring more than 4x goals against us, which I simply can't see happening