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It's not a pure market for anything. The whole world is a mixed economy with a huge number of factors that incentivise certain consumption an behaviour.
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Frank is really upset about Jaguar it seems.
This has been going on for almost a week now.
This has been going on for almost a week now.
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Does the US still subsidise gasoline?
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If the technology is superior, and the costs and convenience stack up for buyers then the market will dictate. Why would it need government intervention?
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Global fossil fuel subsidies crossed $1.5 trillion USD last year. G20 countries provided 3 times the subsidies for fossil fuel versus renewables.
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So the government should stop subsidising fossil fuels?
That will really help your ICE cars mate.
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Costs to both innovate and switch are large and they are competing with very large global subsidies given to fossil fuel companies. That's before factoring in the complete absence of charging for the cost of cleaning up waste.
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Because advanced technology isn't as scaled up as older technology.
That doesn't mean it's not superior. By your analogy we should never have built the NBN and just relied on copper lines forever.
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Petrol is taxed at 40c to 50c per litre. $15 billion in fuel excise is used to 'help pay for our roads'. EVs don't have this imposed running cost.
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Did you miss where I wrote 'the US'?
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Fast internet in Australia was never a binary. There were many ways to implement fast broadband. Labor came up with a government funded but uncosted plan to provide every residence with fibre. They quietly dropped that policy. Subsequently the NBN have said they can't connect me. The alternative is superior.
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Congrats. I had 12 Mbps on the government internet plan.
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Bang on. Starlink shits over all
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Ah, so because you didn't benefit, the plan was no good?
Should have stuck with Telstra owning all the copper infrastructure.
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It really doesn't.
It's good for some areas undoubtedly. But that's very different to providing internet infrastructure to high density urban areas.
5G is also great for what it's suited for.
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It does in most areas. In regional where I am it’s the only way to go. Fixed wireless bullshit is abysmal. FTTN and FTTK are both shit also. FTTP just isn’t viable cost wise for the entire county. You’re lucky you live in an area that does
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Copper is shit. And 90% if it is rooted now. It’s the other costs of the network build that make it illogical
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Fixed wireless is OK in some regional areas. Where I've got family it's been fine albeit limited capacity-wise.
FTTP was the original NBN plan. FTTN and such are all LNP variations on the original plan. Obviously it wouldn't have covered 100% of Australians, but it was undoubtedly one of the better national infrastructure projects and the passing of time has only shown how vital fast internet access is to people. The wholesale model has meant no more Telstra monopoly and the cost of the infrastructure being recouped over time.
FTTP is also becoming more widespread now, in Melbourne (I assume other major cities are the same) most providers will pull through fibre free of charge if you're on FTTN or FTTC.
For example if I check a neighbours address who haven't had the FTTP upgrade their plan options with Aussie Broadband include a free upgrade on their base 100 plan (not upgrading to FTTP costs the exact same $85), and to go up to 250 down isn't a huge increase, even 1000 down isn't insanely expensive anymore and means even if you have an entire family and kids streaming in 4k on multiple devices all at once it's not a problem.
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But it's a cheap and mature technology. Why would we replace it? If the new technology was better it wouldn't have needed government intervention.
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This is essentially it... when you're accustomed to privilege, equality looks like oppression.
Without going down a rabbit hole, the market will move in whatever direction it will.
Trying to 'force' just doesn't work.
INB4 the 'you're dinosaur eco terrorist' from everyone on here.
No, just suggesting you can't force markets to shift a certain way. We've seen examples.
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Does that include tax, monetary policy, fiscal policy, tariffs, subsidies, legislation, advertising campaigns etc. Heaps is done which can and does influence the market.
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We're talking about a car market not regulated by a non govt. profit organization. Not govt. legislation etc.
I don't know much about Jaguar and what they're doing, I'm just saying private enterprise trying influence their market usually fails.
These things take time, and the market will let private enterprise and / or govt. know when the market is ready to adopt EV on a large scale i:e take over ICE cars.
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