Worst Captain Ever

[UpForGrabs]

I think the difference is that Woosh had a great career as a premiership captain and was at the end of his career.
Malaxos should have been in his prime.

Steve Malaxos first played league footy in the WAFL in 1978. He was AA captain in 1984, inaugural WCE club champion in 1987.

Even though he still played WAFL footy for quite a few years later, his prime was definitely not 1990.

 

[Partridge]

It wasn't as clear cut as Vandenberg/Maxwell but by the late 80's you could find find at least five players better than Tuck.

There were 5 better players than Tuck just at Hawthorn. That's not a slur either, he was an incredibly durable and tough player. But others were better, as you would expect in such a great side.

 

[Blacky]

Remember seeing Thomas Murphy from the Hawks toss the coin once in a non milestone game...
If that counts
/thread

 

[Partridge]

Fairly well agreed on Big Footy that Colbert takes the prize as worst captain ever.

He was a disgrace.

Having said that, the club culture was terrible back then!

However, from the trade of that turncoat we got Cameron Mooney and a draft pick which resulted in Corey Enright.

Colbert Vs Mooney and Enright...........I know which I would prefer.

Not only that, the continued holier-than-thou morality since he left, the whole "I know some things, but it's better I don't say why" garbage. Put up or shut up. If you're so outraged tell us why.

Anyway it ended rather pleasantly as far as we're concerned. He went to the reigning premiers and won jackshit, now Enright and Mooney struggle to get through airport security due to their premiership medals.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Remember seeing Thomas Murphy from the Hawks toss the coin once in a non milestone game...
If that counts
/thread

If we're going into acting captains, Port's Carlisle/Pearce/Ebert/Westhoff/Chaplin/Cornes/Surjan Hydra for the Kardinia Park this year would be in the books for oddities.

Although they actually did kinda well. Go figure.

 

[Goat 53]

Boomer Harvey

 

[half_back_flank]

There were 5 better players than Tuck just at Hawthorn. That's not a slur either, he was an incredibly durable and tough player. But others were better, as you would expect in such a great side.

That was my point.

 

[Chewy]

I wouldn't classify Michael Tuck as a top 5 player at Hawthorn.

Tucky was made Hawthorn skipper at the age of 33 until he retired aged 38. He might not have been a top 5 player during these years, but he was the senior figure of a champion team and was one of their best players for the preceding decade. He was still an underrated, good contributor in his latter years, who played mainly at half back and rarely put a foot wrong. He came 2nd in the 1990 best and fairest at the age of 37.

Michael Tuck never won Hawthorn's best and fairest award, but he finished runner-up an amazing 7 times! Not bad when you consider on 4 occasions he was runner up to Leigh Matthews who had a virtual mortgage on the award.

 

[Hit And Rum]

I think he probably meant the former Carlton/Footscray CHF

Ahh "The Captain" indeed. Blast from the past.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Yeah I agree with this. Not only from being able to lift the side, but also do you seriously want your captain under pressure to maintain the spot in the 22?

Watch the last 15 minutes of the drawn 2010 grand final and let us know who was the player that stood up and made it possible for us to win it the next week.

 

[Onetonylockett]

Carey or Barry Hall

 

[half_back_flank]

Tucky was made Hawthorn skipper at the age of 33 until he retired aged 38. He might not have been a top 5 player during these years, but he was the senior figure of a champion team and was one of their best players for the preceding decade. He was still an underrated, good contributor in his latter years, who played mainly at half back and rarely put a foot wrong. He came 2nd in the 1990 best and fairest at the age of 37.

Michael Tuck never won Hawthorn's best and fairest award, but he finished runner-up an amazing 7 times! Not bad when you consider on 4 occasions he was runner up to Leigh Matthews who had a virtual mortgage on the award.

I was responding to a comment that said that a captain should be a top 5 player.

At no point did i belittle Tuck, I was using him as an example that the best candidate for captain doesn't have to come from the top 5 players. He was a still a great footballer as captain, but wasn't a top 5 player, which is no slight given the team Hawthorn had in the late 80's. But he was comfortably the best leader at the club at the time.

 

[Jade]

Watch the last 15 minutes of the drawn 2010 grand final and let us know who was the player that stood up and made it possible for us to win it the next week.

Not sure if you misinterpreted me - I haven't offered ANY opinion on Maxwell - good or bad.

 

[Those]

I reckon Boyd would be a terrific captain. He's apparently quite intense and puts high expectations on himself, i reckon he'd probably rub a bit of that off onto his team mates. I heard an interview somewhere that in his first week at the club he had a go at Darcy for taking shortcuts in the gym. lol

He must have been very brave to do that.

 

[Slattery_20]

I reckon he'd be a terrific captain. He's apparently quite intense and puts high expectations on himself, i reckon he'd probably rub a bit of that off onto his team mates. I heard an interview somewhere that in his first week at the club he had a go at Darcy for taking shortcuts in the gym. lol

But wasn't Luke Darcy the most elite intense high endurance elite best elite athlete elite footballer of his generation?
Boyd's a hard kent; Darcy IMHO took a fair while to realise his potenttial so I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was the case.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Capt. Groenewegen

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sp...3s.html#ooid=pvdTIxMjqutxJsuq2QqFcTaDrqJaadbj

 

[Gaben]

Wouldn't be the absolute worst but Maxwell has to be up there.

Could have jeopardized his teams finals just because he thought it would be necessary to crack someone unprovoked.

Thug.

Man, the definition of a thug/thuggish behaviour has changed dramatically since I started watching football. A clumsy off the ball block is now classified as an 'unprovoked crack'. You're lucky you weren't old enough to appreciate football in the 80s, you would've been crying into your wheaties every morning over the crimes against humanity taking place on the football field. Leigh Matthews would've laughed in the face of anybody who thought Maxwell's hit was thuggish, then he would've clocked you one in the back of the head as you walked away.

 

[Gaben]

Wouldn't be the absolute worst but Maxwell has to be up there.

Could have jeopardized his teams finals just because he thought it would be necessary to crack someone unprovoked.

Thug.

Man, the definition of a thug/thuggish behaviour has changed dramatically since I started watching football. A clumsy off the ball block is now classified as an 'unprovoked crack'. You're lucky you weren't old enough to appreciate football in the 80s, you would've been crying into your wheaties every morning over the crimes against humanity taking place on the football field. Leigh Matthews would've laughed in the face of anybody who thought Maxwell's hit was thuggish, then he would've clocked you one in the back of the head as you walked away.

 

[Chewy]

I was responding to a comment that said that a captain should be a top 5 player.

At no point did i belittle Tuck, I was using him as an example that the best candidate for captain doesn't have to come from the top 5 players. He was a still a great footballer as captain, but wasn't a top 5 player, which is no slight given the team Hawthorn had in the late 80's. But he was comfortably the best leader at the club at the time.

Yeah, I agree.

Senior champions like Michael Tuck & Brad Johnson may not have been Top 5 in their final years as captain, but they commanded extra respect for their past deeds. It's different to skippers like Tom Harley & Nick Maxwell who weren't "Top 5" material even at their peak, but were still highly respected as leaders

 

[Partridge]

Yeah, I agree.

Senior champions like Michael Tuck & Brad Johnson may not have been Top 5 in their final years as captain, but they commanded extra respect for their past deeds. It's different to skippers like Tom Harley & Nick Maxwell who weren't "Top 5" material even at their peak, but were still highly respected as leaders

Harley was between 2001-2004. Easily. Having said that his second half of 2007 was probably the best form of his career. Started with thrashing Ricciuto in Adelaide and ended with Motlop (yes, he was playing) in the Grand Final.

 

[Bollox]

Brent Harvey the worst in recent times.
Poor choice.
Hasnt got a leadership bone in his body.

 

[bloodsbigot]

and he remained the leader even while judd was the puppet captain.

I guess he was just a leader

But keep going - I am yet to read about a truely bad one.

Some have been disloyal which must be a strike against them. Colbert and judd.

Judd isnt a leader but he sets a good example - a big start

Judd must be some kind of decent leader if he captained the eagles to a Premiership.

I have always thought his immediate appointment to Carlton's captain as soon as he arrived at the club as ridiculous. Was a punch in the face to the entire playing group.

 

[Blue and Silver]

In fairness to Judd, he never asked for the leadership position. He was instructed by both clubs that he should take it. At WCE when Cousins hit the fan, and at Carlton because who the **** else did we have.

Great on-field leader, but he isn't a presence, like Brown or Kirk were

 

[Laurie Bingham]

Geelong posters nominating Colbert forget that he was a very young captain (21 from memory ?) who wasn't accepted by any of the senior players at the time he was named as leader of the club. Kind of hard to captain a club in those circumstances and makes it much easier to understand him walking out after his recovery from the knee injury.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Really bizarre that in Ayres' tenure at Geelong he twice appointed captains that didn't serve as captain once.