Yeah but none of the players you mentioned are really running rebounding defenders. Maybe the closest we've got to that is Steve or Brad Hill.....even they are not really like JJ.I don't think he's worth the coin he wants - also he might be over compensation for a part of the ground that seems to be in better hands compared to the rest.
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2017 Ins: Logue, Nyhuis and Ryan
2018 Outs: Johnson
2018 Returns: Alex Pearce
Spurr has 3 seasons left in him. We have Weller and Logue who are still developing and could be what JJ currently is - we have Hamling who is one of our best players tracking brilliantly, then Hughes (Surprise Packet) and Ryan. Nyhuis (Carving seconds recently) still to debut. Collins (Needs a proper run in seniors), Sheridan(?) and Sutcliffe as depth with players like Mundy and Blakely who can swing back now. Also Cox might go back to CHB one day if needed to.
So that's 10 or so players who I'm confident in being in our backline over the next few years compared to the 1 or 2 forwards I'm confident in.
I don't want to overstock the more promising side of the field when we need to target the right players this off-season.
Would rather target someone like Nick Haynes in a year if we're going to throw away $ for a defender.
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Give Tucker a go at that role. He was fantastic in Peel's GF win but he hasn't had the opportunity in the seniors.
JJ was extremely lucky in my opinion (and I think many others) to get the Normy. Half his kicks that day went to nobody. In order, Boyd, Kennedy, Bont all played better on the day I thought. Probably others I can't remember. He gets pumped up because 'Norm Smith Medalist" but has been ordinary at best this year.
$800k is top 5 player money, and he wouldn't be that here.
Half the board has turned on McCarthy already. Every time Sutcliffe plays we tear him a new one on here after kicking the ball to the opposition. I guarantee that if JJ comes there will be outcry before he plays 10 games for butchering the ball.
He would have been fine in the 2013 gameplan but we are now a corridor team. Our back half has to hit targets or the opposition kicks goals.
PASS.
$800k is top 5 player money, and he wouldn't be that here.
Half the board has turned on McCarthy already. Every time Sutcliffe plays we tear him a new one on here after kicking the ball to the opposition. I guarantee that if JJ comes there will be outcry before he plays 10 games for butchering the ball.
He would have been fine in the 2013 gameplan but we are now a corridor team. Our back half has to hit targets or the opposition kicks goals.
PASS.
Overpriced for my money... but he would free up Weller to move forward which woukd partially solve our small forward problems post-Ballaz (walters is simply too good in the midfield to keep him in a forward pocket).
500k is about right imo.
500k is about right imo.
I'm not really fussed about salary issues, but I am conscious of trade costs. Our first round comes into the equation, and I struggle too see how that works in our favour. JJ doesn't address our biggest need, so I don't want to use our biggest chip on him. That needs to be there for Brander or Fogarty. The only way that pick gets used in a trade is if it makes an impact on our weakest area.
There have been suggestions of English or McGovern + JJ. Pie in the sky style speculation, but at least they are trying to address our key weaknesses.
If the club can find a way, I want him. But needs some miracle workers to get it to happen in our favour.
There have been suggestions of English or McGovern + JJ. Pie in the sky style speculation, but at least they are trying to address our key weaknesses.
If the club can find a way, I want him. But needs some miracle workers to get it to happen in our favour.
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Mate, don't let the Mets semi-dismal record fool you. It has been an annus horribilis. Very eerie parallels have always existed between the Mets fortune's and Freo's and this year is no different — massive injuries taking a toll. Best scenario for Mets? Trade any valuable non-pitchers by July 31 trade deadline to contending clubs, for prospects to rebuild with, let a couple of non-pitching prospects within the club play and hope all injured pitchers recover in time for 2018 Spring Training.
We'd better off having a crack at N.Wilson or Z.Williams?
We have missed you GG, updates on where you've been (outside of Aussie TV media appearances
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I said Brad Hill lacked awareness and kept getting run down - I saw him as a soft outside player. Turns out his strengths more than make up for it.People said the same things about Brad Hill except, of course, the "shit haircut" part.
I watched a few WB games earlier in the season to see how JJ played, and he was shit. Lots of run and carry ending with a turnover. Struggling to see how D Pearce mk II makes us any better. Would rather spend the reported sums on a M Pavlich mk II which is a more pressing need
Probably not Williams but Wilson maybe at the end of next year. WA boy out of contract with a reported 'busting' cap.
He is a much better kick than JJ.
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We have missed you GG, updates on where you've been (outside of Aussie TV media appearances
Miss ya bro!
Hey, miss you, too! Working on getting out US edition of my book, "Jumping At the Chance," (out later this month) about the American boys and girls in AFL competitions. Hopefully next year, Katie Klatt (playing at Melbourne Uni now) will make history as first American born-and-bred woman in AFLW. Moving back to teaching high school for full-time gig.
Explored idea of writing a book about amateur footy Peace Team (joint Israeli-Palestinian club that competed in an AFL International Cup). I even met and watched them train last year in Jerusalem (great bunch of guys!), but not enough there and team is hanging tough to survive.
Also, working on returning to WA for 2018 to catch a match or two in our new stadium!
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Tucker is a lovely kick but he's not a line breaker.
Complaints on JJ's disposal are highly exaggerated, sure he misses a few targets disposing of the ball at top speed, but most the people on our list miss their targets when they're stationairy
Definitely not. Flash in the pan. I don't even think his Grand Final (which is what his value is ultimately being base on) was that great - if he didn't win the Normy would his price tag be the same as what's being bandied around? I doubt it.
Best value for money would be to have a crack at Nathan Wilson who would be cheaper and offer a whole lot more - at least he'd be willing to belt Hutchings back.
Weller is currently playing the same role and doing it very well - he will surpass JJ's level very soon.
Best value for money would be to have a crack at Nathan Wilson who would be cheaper and offer a whole lot more - at least he'd be willing to belt Hutchings back.
Weller is currently playing the same role and doing it very well - he will surpass JJ's level very soon.
2016 grand final sprint.
Darcy has serious wheels over the first 30 meters which is really all you need to get separation.
Picken was a clear BOG for me on the day
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To expand on that further - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-...ding-gun-with-a-lethal-left-foot-darcy-tucker
With his zip and drive from half-back, Tucker can set up play up the ground for his team. He's comfortable with the ball and backs himself with his left foot, and enjoys taking the game on, having a bounce and finding a teammate.
This year he averaged nearly 23 disposals in the TAC Cup, which included five rebound 50s a game. He also picked up nearly nine handball receives an outing, highlighting his ability to attract the ball and provide some run. He likes to baulk opponents, create some room and then take off.
Tucker has the frame and body maturity to step right into an AFL system. He played one game of VFL this year for the Roosters and fitted in seamlessly, gathering 19 disposals at 80 per cent efficiency.
Athletically he is also impressive, having recorded a level 15.3 beep test at the NAB AFL Draft Combine, which was the third best of any player to compete. His best agility score is elite (a leftover trait from his days as a star junior basketballer) and he can leap and take an overhead grab.
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Tucker might start out his career as a Shaun Atley type of half-back flanker who breaks the lines with his run and carry and zigzagging dash. Like the North Melbourne defender, Tucker will eventually progress further up the ground as his career unfolds.
I've tried to avoid this convo but there is one piece that hasn't been mentioned. Our academy selection for next year is Jason Carter.
Contrary to popular belief that he is a forward pocket, he is a line breaking speedster half back. He can defend, he can run, he can kick.
I'm not against JJ for the right price but we'll almost definitely have Carter on our list in a year and a bit and if they don't have him earmarked for a rebounding half back spot I'd be very surprised.
Contrary to popular belief that he is a forward pocket, he is a line breaking speedster half back. He can defend, he can run, he can kick.
I'm not against JJ for the right price but we'll almost definitely have Carter on our list in a year and a bit and if they don't have him earmarked for a rebounding half back spot I'd be very surprised.
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Yep, sad to say, but all the offensive - and Scherzer - heroics will be wasted if we can't fix it. On that point, would be interested in your views on a sporting cultural difference between Oz and the US. The Nats manager has been quoted for weeks saying, in effect, that the bullpen stinks and needs to be fixed (through trading). I'm here wondering what this is doing for the morale of the poor guys he sends in there on relief!
Carter is an almost definite which increases JJ's luxury import tax.
Weighing up the money and comparing the skills makes JC essential and JJ superfluous.
Don't think we'll chase very hard at all,despite the media racket.
Weighing up the money and comparing the skills makes JC essential and JJ superfluous.
Don't think we'll chase very hard at all,despite the media racket.
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