Prediction Your 2019 Best 22? (Post Trade Period)

[COBALT BLUE]

Thought about it a bit and, at the moment, I'm in favour of holding back Williamson, Setterfield, and SPS from round 1. They can build up match fitness in the VFL and made to earn their spot in the AFL team. Newman, Thomas, and Bugg (lol) take their places in the round 1 team.

Samo had better stats in 2018 than half of the team.

 

[OZBomb]

Now that Doc has gone down, I would move Marchbank up to the HBF and allow him to be more of a playmaker. Lachie Plowman goes to the Third Tall Spot. I don't like the idea of Jones and Marchbank both deep anyway because they're both intercepting players and it just didn't work last year. The exception would be when a Ruckman or Nearing 200cm player plays in the pocket. On those occasions I'd drop McGovern back into the Third-Tall spot and exploit the lack of mobility. That leaves the Back-Pocket open on the other side and I don't want Simpson there because we were constantly found out by quick small forwards last year. Williamson is my man there. Elite speed and good composure.

Lochie O'Brien becomes the defensive winger and de facto playmaker on the left. Walsh will be the attacking winger and link man going forward.

Fisher and SPS, their job is pressure and cutting the ball back to the big guys in the middle. This line-up is designed for overlap, spread and leading forwards, which is why we want our best ball-users on the half-forward flanks.

If Cam Polson kicks 15 goals for the year, so be it. Cam Polson's job is to tackle and pressure and harass. Alex Fasolo is a hell of a player, but he's not a tackler... but don't tell me what he can't do, tell me what he can do. He's a leading option and a goal-kicker. Mitch McGovern would swap with Harry McKay. I can also see a formation with Curnow on one side and McGovern on the other, with McKay at Full Forward in essentially a moving triangle where the dual Tall Half-Forwards work the flanks simultaneously causing the field to spread.

Dow's in my first choice rotation on-ball. Kreuzer is first ruck with back-up from McKay. Simpson is my gap filler, mostly he'll play back, but he can also relieve Fasolo or Polson in a Forward Pocket. E.Curnow an Kennedy are my second-wave one-ballers, although I've got high hopes Stocker will replace Curnow in that rotation by the end of the year. Murphy would also swap with Fisher.

Plowman --- Jones --- Williamson
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Marchbank -- Weitering -- Newman
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Walsh ---- Cripps ---- O'Brien
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Fisher ---- C.Curnow ---- Petrevski-Seton
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Polson ---- McGovern ---- Fasolo
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Kreuzer ---- Dow ---- Murphy
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McKay -- E.Curnow -- Kennedy -- Simpson

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Now that Doc has gone down, I would move Marchbank up to the HBF and allow him to be more of a playmaker. Lachie Plowman goes to the Third Tall Spot. I don't like the idea of Jones and Marchbank both deep anyway because they're both intercepting players and it just didn't work last year. The exception would be when a Ruckman or Nearing 200cm player plays in the pocket. On those occasions I'd drop McGovern back into the Third-Tall spot and exploit the lack of mobility. That leaves the Back-Pocket open on the other side and I don't want Simpson there because we were constantly found out by quick small forwards last year. Williamson is my man there. Elite speed and good composure.

Lochie O'Brien becomes the defensive winger and de facto playmaker on the left. Walsh will be the attacking winger and link man going forward.

Fisher and SPS, their job is pressure and cutting the ball back to the big guys in the middle. This line-up is designed for overlap, spread and leading forwards, which is why we want our best ball-users on the half-forward flanks.

If Cam Polson kicks 15 goals for the year, so be it. Cam Polson's job is to tackle and pressure and harass. Alex Fasolo is a hell of a player, but he's not a tackler... but don't tell me what he can't do, tell me what he can do. He's a leading option and a goal-kicker. Mitch McGovern would swap with Harry McKay. I can also see a formation with Curnow on one side and McGovern on the other, with McKay at Full Forward in essentially a moving triangle where the dual Tall Half-Forwards work the flanks simultaneously causing the field to spread.

Dow's in my first choice rotation on-ball. Kreuzer is first ruck with back-up from McKay. Simpson is my gap filler, mostly he'll play back, but he can also relieve Fasolo or Polson in a Forward Pocket. E.Curnow an Kennedy are my second-wave one-ballers, although I've got high hopes Stocker will replace Curnow in that rotation by the end of the year. Murphy would also swap with Fisher.

Plowman --- Jones --- Williamson
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Marchbank -- Weitering -- Newman
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Walsh ---- Cripps ---- O'Brien
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Fisher ---- C.Curnow ---- Petrevski-Seton
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Polson ---- McGovern ---- Fasolo
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Kreuzer ---- Dow ---- Murphy
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McKay -- E.Curnow -- Kennedy -- Simpson

Marchbank if he can stay injury free can pay a major role.....and we need him all of 2019 badly giving back 6 some edge

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Its a lot of work to dream up a 22 considering out state of play late in the season and agenda for selecting players....

I am taking it in 2019 we will try and win games all of the season ?

the 22 will depend how Russell can shape them and if they can execute or if Bolts likes them..[ not easy - again a lot of change/disruption]

After seeing guys like Kerridge ,Graham and Lamb shown the door...we have plenty more who will need to improve in 2019 or will easily see the same.

i dont want to start names.....however we got plenty[not good]yep we will be going through them as usual

I think we will play same young team again in 2019 including this years top 2 drafts.We will use our trades as well -->Mc Govern to forward,maybe Fasolo as well

Newman hopefully can do well in defense...and Bugg who is solid may actually be pretty busy in the 22 in 2019.

Setterfield [no jinx] and Kennedy can provide 20 disposals a game in the middle...its done.

We didnt land Sheil......

same young list playing young green shoots.

Its going to be more of the same .....

i guess we hope for a few more wins and scrape off the bottom......

6-7 wins and 16th in 2019.........our midfield will improve this year from a 3/10 to 4 or 5/10.......

2019 wee need Doc back and land an Elite mid with our cap money left over.

 

[skadoosh]

Thought about it a bit and, at the moment, I'm in favour of holding back Williamson, Setterfield, and SPS from round 1. They can build up match fitness in the VFL and made to earn their spot in the AFL team. Newman, Thomas, and Bugg (lol) take their places in the round 1 team.

Respectfully disagree. Why do those 3 play in front of Williamson, Setterfield and Samo?

 

[CJMB]

Thought about it a bit and, at the moment, I'm in favour of holding back Williamson, Setterfield, and SPS from round 1. They can build up match fitness in the VFL and made to earn their spot in the AFL team. Newman, Thomas, and Bugg (lol) take their places in the round 1 team.

Respectfully disagree. Why do those 3 play in front of Williamson, Setterfield and Samo?

Pretty good chance that Samo, Williamson, Setterfield, Newman & Thomas all play round 1. Bugg appears a bit of a smokey at this stage.

For what it's worth, Samo is actually our current 'consecutive games played' leader on 30 games (Cripps is second with 22) and is seemingly on track to complete his first ever pre-season (touch wood). Why the hell would he need to be rested at the start of the season?!

If Willo isn't picked round 1, it's probably more due to them opting to pick a more mature backline (Simmo, Thomas, Newman, Plowman, Jones, Weitering Marchbank as the 6+1) rather than Willo not being fit. He's been up and running for a while now.

Setterfield I supposed could be a chance to miss the season opener, being young and without a complete preseason at 100%, although I gather he's off his restricted program after the Christmas break (if not before) so should be fit enough come round 1.

Will be interesting to see if (non-tall/kpp) guys like Lang, Cuningham, Garlett, Polson, Pickett, Jack, LeBois, Schumacher are all firing come JLT and pushing for senior selection.

 

[gbatman]

Marchbank can play the Docherty role apart from the center square stuff but he can play off a wing. I'd still prefer to find a medium sized defender who can really play.

Think there's going to be a lot of competition for a utility spot or two. Thinking Thomas or Silvagni has a spot on the bench. Setterfield is a utility type but I think he will be predominantly a midfielder who rotates a fair bit.

Competition for spots and roles in the team will bring about a lot of discussion. This will be a big JLT, I think players will select themselves in this competition.

 

[Soapy V]

Pretty good chance that Samo, Williamson, Setterfield, Newman & Thomas all play round 1. Bugg appears a bit of a smokey at this stage.

For what it's worth, Samo is actually our current 'consecutive games played' leader on 30 games (Cripps is second with 22) and is seemingly on track to complete his first ever pre-season (touch wood). Why the hell would he need to be rested at the start of the season?!

SPS will play Round One. Having his first ever pre season and is flying. Fittest he's ever been.

Williamson training fully as well and looks great.

Setterfield a fair bit behind

 

[V_23]

Respectfully disagree. Why do those 3 play in front of Williamson, Setterfield and Samo?

Williamson - Coming off an extended layoff, can build match fitness and form in VFL before being elevated.

Setterfield - Returning from an ACL and has only played two AFL games. Again, build match fitness in the VFL and slowly get his body used to playing again with the slower pace of the VFL. Should be EXTRA careful following Docherty's unfortunate injury.

SPS - Perhaps it's because he's apparently never done a pre-season but, in my opinion, he lacks energy and hunger for the contest. I'd like him to start in the VFL and show the club and supporters how much he wants to play at the top level with a few BOGs.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

JSOS Jones Newman
Docherty Weitering Marchbank
LOB Cripps Simpson
McGovern C.Curnow Fisher
Fasolo McKay Samo
Kreuzer Kennedy Murphy
Dow Thomas Setterfield E.Curnow
Plowman Williamson Walsh

That leaves De Koning, Lamb, Lang, Schumacher, Garlett, Macreadie, Lobbe, Cuningham, Polson, Pickett, Phillips, Kerr, LeBois, Owies.

My revised squad for Round 1.

JSOS Jones Newman
Walsh Weitering Marchbank
LOB Cripps Simpson
McGovern Charlie Fisher
Fasolo McKay Samo
Kreuzer Ed Murphy
Dow Thomas Plowman Bugg
H. Goddard Williamson Cuningham Setterfield

 

[Blue Baggers]

Im thinking Plow or JSOS back pocket, I cant have Jones in my defence (too unreliable) Id have Weiters then Simpson other back pocket

(Plow/JSOS) Weiters Simpson
Cuners Marchy (Newman/Willo)
Walsh Cripps LOB
McGov CC Murph
Fas McKay Samo
Kreuz Ed Dow

 

[BlueRenaissance]

Jones, Weitering, Plowman, Marchbank is too tall and slow IMO. Especially for round 1.

We have no ground speed to stop the tigers smalls.

 

[Arr0w]

McGovern, Barrass, Schofield, Hurn

 

[BlueRenaissance]

McGovern, Barrass, Schofield, Hurn

Hurn is 186 and fast over a couple of metres. And, i said round 1 versus tigers. WCE went small versus tigers in their starting line up.

 

[CJMB]

Jones, Weitering, Plowman, Marchbank is too tall and slow IMO. Especially for round 1.

We have no ground speed to stop the tigers smalls.

The tigers will play a fairly ‘normal’ forward line next year with 2 genuine talls, 1-2 mediums at different times and some smalls at their feet.

We’ll need 2 genuine key defenders for Lynch and Riewoldt then 1 3rd/medium type for Caddy and someone else of a similar size to intercept and also to go to Dusty who drifts forward after nearly every centre bounce/stoppage (remembering some of their smalls also press up into the mid to apply pressure there).

Jones, Weitering, Marchbank and Plow cover the bigger guys while Simmo/Newman/Willo/Thomas/O’Brien/etc try and look after the smalls and do most of the rebounding.

Drop Jones and one of Lynch or Riewoldt gets off the chain, drop Plow and Dusty or Caddy might end up manhandling one of our smaller guys.

Midfield pressure reducing the quantity and quality of ball that enters our defensive 50 will also play a huge part in the perception of our defenders. Stifle it a bit and all of a sudden things get easier for our boys.


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[Arr0w]

Hurn is 186 and fast over a couple of metres. And, i said round 1 versus tigers. WCE went small versus tigers in their starting line up.

WC played best 22, rather than concerning themselves with the make up of the opposition. Pies, apart from Cox had a smallish forward line, yet when Sheppard was out injured, they brought in Schofield

The year before, Tigers had Rance, Broad, Grimes, Astbury, McIntosh, all over 190

 

[BlueRenaissance]

WC played best 22, rather than concerning themselves with the make up of the opposition. Pies, apart from Cox had a smallish forward line, yet when Sheppard was out injured, they brought in Schofield

The year before, Tigers had Rance, Broad, Grimes, Astbury, McIntosh, all over 190

Will be good to see how this plays out. I think Carlton learn from their mistakes. You see it as Carlton enforcing their brand.

 

[skadoosh]

Williamson - Coming off an extended layoff, can build match fitness and form in VFL before being elevated.

Setterfield - Returning from an ACL and has only played two AFL games. Again, build match fitness in the VFL and slowly get his body used to playing again with the slower pace of the VFL. Should be EXTRA careful following Docherty's unfortunate injury.

SPS - Perhaps it's because he's apparently never done a pre-season but, in my opinion, he lacks energy and hunger for the contest. I'd like him to start in the VFL and show the club and supporters how much he wants to play at the top level with a few BOGs.

My rationale is, if those 3 are fit and get the tick of approval from Jack Russell, then they play Round 1.

 

[Arr0w]

Will be good to see how this plays out. I think Carlton learn from their mistakes. You see it as Carlton enforcing their brand.

I see it as playing your best side, rather than predetermined structures.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

I see it as playing your best side, rather than predetermined structures.

I'm not sure you do. I think you see it as always getting the last pointless post in. I already said for you what you just said.

 

[Arr0w]

I'm not sure you do. I think you see it as always getting the last pointless post in. I already said for you what you just said.

Not sure why you would turn this into playing the man and if you think I want the last word, happy for you to respond and I will just smile, acknowledge your post and move on.

We were discussing the height of our backline, as was the case during the year, when you and many others thought the new trend was having a smaller set up, due to the last couple of flag winners. Despite highlighting the height of the Tigers and WC defensive line, you still see this as the case, so be it

Enjoy your day Blue

 

[ETET]

My rationale is, if those 3 are fit and get the tick of approval from Jack Russell, then they play Round 1.

SPS is top 5 in our team for tackles and that is multiples better than some others. Speaks to his efforts and desire . When we play well (early Richmond game and Suns last year) it all goes through him. Without a doubt for me he is our most skilful and creative player with the Fish. Best kick to inside 50 we have. Must play for me.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

Not sure why you would turn this into playing the man and if you think I want the last word, happy for you to respond and I will just smile, acknowledge your post and move on.

We were discussing the height of our backline, as was the case during the year, when you and many others thought the new trend was having a smaller set up, due to the last couple of flag winners. Despite highlighting the height of the Tigers and WC defensive line, you still see this as the case, so be it

Enjoy your day Blue

I just pointed out that you quoted Hurn as a tall defender which is quite a decent stretch (actually, plain wrong). He is a small defender in today's game.

The Tiger's arent the best example either as their tall defence is primed against the older style teams of three talls. It works for them so they will have a tall defence as lots of teams havent caught on to their style or the Pies style. It is the non-tigers sides that should have a small defence as Tigers set the new agenda on how to play in 2017/18. Pies then copied it.

Of course, the best rebuttal is that WCEs tall forwards are now the new way of playing as they won the flag.

Overall, i'm a proponent of adapt to your weekly opponent, e.g. play slightly smaller defence vs richmond, play slightly taller vs WCE. so our match committee should tinker and i think will do week to week; not play the same players as you have suggested.

 

[Arr0w]

I just pointed out that you quoted Hurn as a tall defender which is quite a decent stretch (actually, plain wrong). He is a small defender in today's game.

The Tiger's arent the best example either as their tall defence is primed against the older style teams of three talls. It works for them so they will have a tall defence as lots of teams havent caught on to their style or the Pies style. It is the non-tigers sides that should have a small defence as Tigers set the new agenda on how to play in 2017/18. Pies then copied it.

Of course, the best rebuttal is that WCEs tall forwards are now the new way of playing as they won the flag.

Overall, i'm a proponent of adapt to your weekly opponent, e.g. play slightly smaller defence vs richmond, play slightly taller vs WCE. so our match committee should tinker and i think will do week to week; not play the same players as you have suggested.

 

[BlueRenaissance]