Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[scoman]

I don't get it. Dogs wanted their 100 game celebration to be against the Pies at the G for really obvious reasons. Why would you deny it. It doesn't increase Collingwood's number of games at the G. It's 14 like every year. I can see why that's an issue, but one of the 14 against the Dogs at their request for a massive milestone for their club?

Wasn't aware it was a direct request to play the Pies. Fair enough if it was.

 

[Colonial]

The begging was from WA & SA clubs/leagues wanting to join the VFL.

The begging was to Vic clubs to relocate, but also non vic clubs, when it 1st expanded, to pay a fee so their debts would be paid off.

 

[sr36]

Wasn't aware it was a direct request to play the Pies. Fair enough if it was.

I don't think we've played Dogs at the G for years. Regardless of whose home game it is, it gets fixtured at Marvel. This is a one off to celebrate a huge milestone for the Dogs. Hopefully the crowd turns up in droves and the game does it justice. Shame they have so much quality out.

 

[Carringbush2010]

A league that wants to be a National Competition, not a Victorian one.

If the league didn’t want to be National, they wouldn’t have either moved, begged or created plenty of clubs, 9 so far, outside of Victoria.

It can't be a national comp, no amount of wishing it so will make it so. It is and always will be an expanded vfl.

The reasons have been explained ad nauseum itt.

Should've just started a league completely detached from the vfl, if a 'national' comp was the wish.

 

[kranky al]

The begging was from WA & SA clubs/leagues wanting to join the VFL.

The VFL and its clubs were broke and about to be closed down by the regulator.

Saving football: New documents reveal how close the VFL came to shutting down

In 1986, the Victorian Football League came perilously close to being shut down. Thirty years on, never before seen documents reveal how close the end nearly came.

www.theage.com.au

 

[sr36]

It can't be a national comp, no amount of wishing it so will make it so. It is and always will be an expanded vfl.

The reasons have been explained ad nauseum itt.

Should've just started a league completely detached from the vfl, if a 'national' comp was the wish.

It is a national comp. But the reality is Vic is the biggest market by a mile for both players and fans. Vic clubs being 55% of the comp is actually proportional to number of players and fans. WA is underrepresented and the Northern states are over-represented until footy becomes bigger there.

 

[Colonial]

It can't be a national comp, no amount of wishing it so will make it so. It is and always will be an expanded vfl.

The reasons have been explained ad nauseum itt.

Should've just started a league completely detached from the vfl, if a 'national' comp was the wish.

It can be actually, A very good one, and besides a few issues is heading in that way very strongly.

But if you don’t want that then tell your club in the feedback. Sure they will be happy to be in a suburban state comp again. 100%

 

[doppleganger]

Just making an observation. No bitching in the post you quoted.
The discussion is about clubs yeah?

Travel is an impost to players.

North the club making a commercial decision to play two home games in WA for $$

It is the North players who cop two games in WA against the WA teams, where North players have to fly, sleep in hotels, be away from family etc.

All the stuff that the VicBias wowsers complain about

And you conveniently just pretend those games don't count as travel, which is the normal position of the VICBias whinge crew.

 

[ibd77]

Their hatred of Hinkley is

It's now shifting towards the president who has enabled this situation. The president is pushing this culture of softness that has washed over this club and the lack of strong leadership shows on all levels.

 

[Outtatym]

Funnily enough talking travel, North leave Victoria the least this year. 4 times to everyone else’s 5.

No I don’t count Tassie as it’s a choice, like our, regrettable, deal with Canberra.

Travel is travel whether you choose it or not. Still jumping on a plane.

 

[sr36]

It's now shifting towards the president who has enabled this situation. The president is pushing this culture of softness that has washed over this club and the lack of strong leadership shows on all levels.

Port have been good. The softness is from the supporter base, who can't deal with how much harder it is to win the flag in a big comp that has effective equalisation measures in place.

 

[Rich01]

VIC bias was solidified when in secret with no other club / fanbase input they signed up the gf to the g years out from the old deal expiring for absolute peanuts and with all the benefits going to vic clubs.

The only sop the interstate clubs got was vague promises that we would get more training sessions on the mcg….

The WA govt made it clear they would never pay to have a grand final in their state. The vic govt did.

So blame your state politicians.

 

[lizard man]

could there be a bias against vic teams?

 

[daniel_4tw]

Travel is an impost to players.

North the club making a commercial decision to play two home games in WA for $$

It is the North players who cop two games in WA against the WA teams, where North players have to fly, sleep in hotels, be away from family etc.

All the stuff that the VicBias wowsers complain about

And you conveniently just pretend those games don't count as travel, which is the normal position of the VICBias whinge crew.

North sold 2 home games to WA and some how managed to avoid playing either WA away. What are the odds of that?!

Total games North play in WA = 2
Total games Adelaide play in WA = 2

Total games North play in Melbourne = 13 (plus 2 home Tasmania games)
Total games Adelaide play in Adelaide = 13 (including gather round)

Imagine being able to sell four home games, and still playing more games than half in your own backyard. Something interstate teams can only dream of.

And it’s hardly like North are the best example of being looked after but just shows you how far back non-Vic clubs are coming back from.

 

[kranky al]

The WA govt made it clear they would never pay to have a grand final in their state. The vic govt did.

So blame your state politicians.

When was this - link please?


I mean aside from anything the mcg deal was done with Victoria in return for stadium upgrades.

The wa government had just done a 1.6 billion dollar stadium upgrade.

 

[Rich01]

When was this - link please?

McGowan said this several times in his tenure. You know this Krank.

 

[kranky al]

McGowan said this several times in his tenure. You know this Krank.

1) McGowan wasn’t in power when the MCG deal was organised

2) the Victorian government exchanged Stadium upgrades in return for the MCG contract. The W.A. government had just spent $1.6 billion on a new stadium as far as stadium upgrades go the W.A. government has paid enough.

 

[sr36]

North sold 2 home games to WA and some how managed to avoid playing either WA away. What are the odds of that?!

Total games North play in WA = 2
Total games Adelaide play in WA = 2

Total games North play in Melbourne = 13 (plus 2 home Tasmania games)
Total games Adelaide play in Adelaide = 13 (including gather round)

Imagine being able to sell four home games, and still playing more games than half in your own backyard. Something interstate teams can only dream of.

And it’s hardly like North are the best example of being looked after but just shows you how far back non-Vic clubs are coming back from.

North get a financial benefit from this, but the football benefit clearly lies with the SA teams. Same amount of travel but lots more games where they have the home state and ground advantage.

 

[Rich01]

2) the Victorian government exchanged Stadium upgrades in return for the MCG contract. The W.A. government had just spent $1.6 billion on a new stadium as far as stadium upgrades go the W.A. government has paid enough.

They sure did.
The initial estimate was $700m and the blowout was sickeningly exorbitant.
It’s no wonder WA politicians didn’t push their constituents to pay even more to host a grand final.

Would have been career suicide for any politician that mentioned it.

Best for them to play the old WA vs the world card for the great unwashed to lap up.

 

[kranky al]

They sure did.
The initial estimate was $700m and the blowout was sickeningly exorbitant.
It’s no wonder WA politicians didn’t push their constituents to pay even more to host a grand final.

Would have been career suicide for any politician that mentioned it.

Best for them to play the old WA vs the world card for the great unwashed to lap up.

Why would we pay for a grand final when all the vic govt paid was for a few hundred million in stadium upgrades?

We’ve just paid 1.6 billion for a stadium that keep winning award after awards including best stadium in the world twice.

If the vic government had paid the afl 1.6 billion in return for the rights you might just have an argument. That money could have been used to benefit the entire afl not just Victorian fans

But instead the vic government paid out 225 million in stadium upgrades - ie 7 times less than what the wa government paid.

 

[doppleganger]

North sold 2 home games to WA and some how managed to avoid playing either WA away. What are the odds of that?!

The advantage is to the WA teams.

But yes, more VicBias if you have gooses that still want to claim it is North who are advantaged by playing WC in WA.

Total games North play in WA = 2
Total games Adelaide play in WA = 2

Again, no advantage to North.

Total games North play in Melbourne = 13 (plus 2 home Tasmania games)
Total games Adelaide play in Adelaide = 13 (including gather round)

Of the 13 games Adelaide play in Adelaide, two are neutral against another SA team and 11 they enjoy a distinct home advantage.

Of the 13 games North play in Melbourne, 11 are against another Vic team, and only 2 they enjoy a distinct home advantage.

Advantage Adelaide.

Imagine being able to sell four home games, and still playing more games than half in your own backyard. Something interstate teams can only dream of.

Imagine getting 11 games where you have a full blown home ground advantage, not selling home games and then also playing away games at neutral venues where your opponent is also travelling.

The life of an SA team!

And it’s hardly like North are the best example of being looked after but just shows you how far back non-Vic clubs are coming back from.

The fact you don't even see that Adelaide have it much better than a team like North is unsurprising.

 

[peetoo]

The VFL and its clubs were broke and about to be closed down by the regulator.

Saving football: New documents reveal how close the VFL came to shutting down

In 1986, the Victorian Football League came perilously close to being shut down. Thirty years on, never before seen documents reveal how close the end nearly came.

www.theage.com.au

As if

 

[SC_Power]

Rarely venture to the main board so sorry if this has been brought up.

I find it really poor that GWS and Port, two of last year’s top four, each only have one game at the MCG this year.

On top of that, it’s in Round 1.

So you’ve got a top four side and top four/prelim side from last year who, if they make the Grand Final this year, may well go six months between visits to the ground.

Given the GF is locked at the MCG forever and a day, it’s pretty average that the disparity in preparation at the venue could be so out of whack. Stuff like this is why this discussion will persist.

Why not add Thu/Fri prime time spots? Count ‘em up. It’s a disgrace.
I mean, it’s not like it has any impact on attracting players, national exposure, reward the fans, sponsorship advantages….. right?

 

[Carringbush2010]

It is a national comp. But the reality is Vic is the biggest market by a mile for both players and fans. Vic clubs being 55% of the comp is actually proportional to number of players and fans. WA is underrepresented and the Northern states are over-represented until footy becomes bigger there.

It's a national comp by name only.

If we were to have a truly national comp, you'd have 4 or 6 vic clubs, not 10

This is what should've happened in the first place.

 

[kranky al]

As if

Great rebuttal.