List Mgmt. Nick Austin - Head Of List Management

[BRADLESTICKS]

He hasn’t drafted a top 15 player on our list and the two quality players he recruited Saad and Cerra he paid massive overs for. He had the perfect base to start from and completely blown it by recruiting off a spread sheet and not looking for athletes who can kick.

 

[thechamps2025]

He hasn’t drafted a top 15 player on our list and the two quality players he recruited Saad and Cerra he paid massive overs for. He had the perfect base to start from and completely blown it by recruiting off a spread sheet and not looking for athletes who can kick.

Nailed it on the head. Plenty of good kickers in many leagues we go with slow non kickers it's not that hard

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Nobody is knocking getting Jagga Smith.

What is being questioned is a lack of injecting pace and ball use into this side over a period of time. Getting Jagga and doing nothing else to address deficiencies is the problem.

It's no reflection on Jagga as a prospect but I still think that haul was one good youngster too few for where our list was/is at.

 

[jpfalvo]

Development and who is in charge of list profile

Isnt Luke Power the lauded development coach?

Great with the kids?

He has been around a long time now. Since Teague...

Time to go, as clearly there is an issue here as well. I mean outside of his playing career, point at development examples for me attributed to him...



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[jpfalvo]

Don't think it's based on retaining top end talent, Austin has been steadfast of character and ignored, speed, footskills and competitive traits

Keays, Hinge, Chol, Meek, Collins, etc, all guys that were available at some stage on the cheap

Not one xfactor forward in 5 years, apart from Jagga, no other quick mid

You can add Massimo D'Ambrosio to that list, whose kicking tonight on the southern stand wing was exquisite

And what, they got him for basically nothing

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[jpfalvo]

He hasn’t drafted a top 15 player on our list and the two quality players he recruited Saad and Cerra he paid massive overs for. He had the perfect base to start from and completely blown it by recruiting off a spread sheet and not looking for athletes who can kick.

Dont forget ZacWilliams

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[BRADLESTICKS]

Dont forget ZacWilliams

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The worst contract in the history of the Carlton Football Club

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Isnt Luke Power the lauded development coach?

Great with the kids?

He has been around a long time now. Since Teague...

Time to go, as clearly there is an issue here as well. I mean outside of his playing career, point at development examples for me attributed to him...



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To be fair, our VFL team has been a basketcase. We just couldn't get decent top up players. He has also been given a lot of project players and been dudded by injuries.

 

[Arr0w]

Isnt Luke Power the lauded development coach?

Great with the kids?

He has been around a long time now. Since Teague...

Time to go, as clearly there is an issue here as well. I mean outside of his playing career, point at development examples for me attributed to him...



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If we are going to move on Voss, I'd clear the decks, but I would give Power a crack as the interim

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The way I see it theres 3 outcomes for this year re Austin's direction for the list.

Option 1 - Stick fat with the group (2025 goes fairly well, we make and win some finals)
- Minor list changes, maybe pick up a RFA, take our F/S and NGA boys and hope on natural improvement to take us the next step

Build around this core of players

-------- Jacob Weitering - Jack Silvagni
Adam Saad --------- Nic Newman
Blake Acres - Patrick Cripps --------
Zac Williams - Harry Mckay --------
---------- Charlie Curnow ----------
Tom De Koning - Sam Walsh - George Hewett

Adam Cerra --------- ---------- ----------


Option 2 - Rebuild on the run (2025 goes the same as 2024, we make finals and do sfa or just miss)
- Start looking at rejigging the list aggressively, keep the big names but move on some quality players to try and get some picks and free up some salary space to bring in other mature players and rebuild on the run while we still have a few years of Cripps, Curnow, Mckay and Weiters playing well.

Build around this core of players

------------ Jacob Weitering - Jack Silvagni
Adam Saad ------------ -------------
Blake Acres - Patrick Cripps -----------
------------ Harry Mckay -----------
------------ Charlie Curnow -----------
Tom de Koning - Jagga Smith - Sam Walsh

Adam Cerra ---------- ---------- -----------


Option 3 - Nuke the joint and start again (2025 ends in disaster, it all goes to s*** and we finish bottom 6)
- Trade out some big names and start looking to the future built around Cody, Jagga and others. - Trade out some of our stars like Walsh and Mckay. Keep Weiters and Charlie as pillars at either end but start focusing all attention on building around our most promising youngsters via the draft. Maybe get in the race for Harley Reid (Keep Cripps too obviously but don't plan on him being there long term)

Build around this core of players

Lachie Cowan - Jacob Weitering -----------
----------- Harry O'Farrell -----------
Ollie Hollands - Adam Cerra - Lucas Camporeale
----------- ------------ -------------
----------- Charlie Curnow - Ashton Moir
Tom De Koning - Jagga Smith - Cody Walker

Ben Camporeale - Cooper Lord ---------- ----------



Obviously some names not included in any of those 3 options, they're just non critical players imo. If they were moved on for other alternatives we'd be largely unaffected. Thats just a matter of personal opinion though. Elijah is a critical piece in all 3 for me but who knows what the future holds for him at this stage.

Currently teetering on the edge of dropping from Option 2 - Option 3

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Isnt Luke Power the lauded development coach?

Great with the kids?

He has been around a long time now. Since Teague...

Time to go, as clearly there is an issue here as well. I mean outside of his playing career, point at development examples for me attributed to him...



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Tim Clarke has been mid coach for majority of this playing group's career...

Hamill back line coach

Jordan Russell forwards coach...

That is the problem, I'd get rid of all of these blokes before Power.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Tim Clarke has been mid coach for majority of this playing group's career...

Hamill back line coach

Jordan Russell forwards coach...

That is the problem, I'd get rid of all of these blokes before Power.

I think Clarke's work as a mid has been pretty good. Clearances and scoring from stoppage always been pretty decent under him. Perhaps thats more just Cripps than anything else.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I think Clarke's work as a mid has been pretty good. Clearances and scoring from stoppage always been pretty decent under him. Perhaps thats more just Cripps than anything else.

There is no movement to provide options up the ground. They are stagnant af.

They don't work together, transition to attack is almost non existent.

Work rate to run defensively almost non existent.

f50 entries are a disaster.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

There is no movement to provide options up the ground. They are stagnant af.

They don't work together, transition to attack is almost non existent.

Work rate to run defensively almost non existent.

f50 entries are a disaster.

Our mids are the least of the issues in terms of who underperforms or doesn't do their job. Forward line is a disaster and the backline is a trainwreck.

Ultimately our mids do what they're asked to fairly well. Just a shame that our run behind the ball and ahead of the ball is abysmal.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Our mids are the least of the issues in terms of who underperforms or doesn't do their job. Forward line is a disaster and the backline is a trainwreck.

Ultimately our mids do what they're asked to fairly well. Just a shame that our run behind the ball and ahead of the ball is abysmal.

You keep saying the mids are the least of the issues...

Every forward line would be a disaster with their f50 entries...

Every back line would be a trainwreck with their defensive pressure....

"do what they're asked to fairly well" ?? lmfao first of all, you wouldn't have the foggiest clue what they're asked to do. Secondly, if they are doing what they're asked to do then the midfield coach and the head coach needs to go no question.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Our mids are the least of the issues in terms of who underperforms or doesn't do their job. Forward line is a disaster and the backline is a trainwreck.

Ultimately our mids do what they're asked to fairly well. Just a shame that our run behind the ball and ahead of the ball is abysmal.

Agreed about the mids. It’s mostly the forwards at fault. They don’t lead up at the ball carrier and always trail their defender to the ball. We bomb it long. Ball bounces straight back out with no pressure. Our defenders get caught out of position because our forwards let it waltz out too easily. Our midfield lacks pace sure, but I saw a lot of the mids pushing back hard tonight. They crack in all game. The defenders generally set up well. We allow a few howlers on the counter mainly from how easy the opposition is able to exit our F50 and the occasional fumble and blunder.

 

[GT619]

Easy to do rear vision mirror recruiting.

Jagga Smith was the best prospect in that draft class by a mile.

He will prove it when he gets back.

his outside games is what we miss. I know he's a kid but it's showing. he's one who does lower the eyes

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You keep saying the mids are the least of the issues...

Every forward line would be a disaster with their f50 entries...

Every back line would be a trainwreck with their defensive pressure....

"do what they're asked to fairly well" ?? lmfao first of all, you wouldn't have the foggiest clue what they're asked to do. Secondly, if they are doing what they're asked to do then the midfield coach and the head coach needs to go no question.

You look at any other team in the league doing well atm and they are all fundamentally moving the ball differently to Carlton. They rebound from the back half and get the ball in the hands of their half forwards in quick transition.

We lack rebound from the backline, often due to our abysmal defensive structures leaving us under pressure. Thus resulting in our primary mode of moving the ball being long to a contest where our KPP bring it to ground and our mids sweep up at ground level to try and get the ball moving again.

Given we have no small forwards that can actually impact up the ground all our mids have to commit to these contests meaning we are left exposed on the way back if we lose that contest and leaves us lacking structure ahead of the ball if we win it and want to get the ball moving quickly inside 50.

Our mids are fantastic ball winners and while they could do better in terms of running both ways consistently, they are absolutely the least of our issues.

We have no rebound from the back half without Newman and no forwards capable of getting involved in chains of play to allow easy hit ups inside 50.

Geelong, GWS, Hawthorn, Brisbane. None of them rely on their inside mids to deliver the ball inside 50 as much as Carlton do. In fact its not even close. Ours is just Cripps, Hewett, TDK, Cerra and Walsh banging it inside 50 over and over again and hoping Mckay and Curnow can pull off a miracle because our ball movement on the outside is non existent.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Agreed about the mids. It’s mostly the forwards at fault. They don’t lead up at the ball carrier and always trail their defender to the ball. We bomb it long. Ball bounces straight back out with no pressure. Our defenders get caught out of position because our forwards let it waltz out too easily. Our midfield lacks pace sure, but I saw a lot of the mids pushing back hard tonight. They crack in all game. The defenders generally set up well. We allow a few howlers on the counter mainly from how easy the opposition is able to exit our F50 and the occasional fumble and blunder.

Yep, our mids work their tails off all game. They have personnel issues in terms of ability to spread at times but they are literally this teams biggest strength. Everyone knows if you match Carlton out of the centre you've basically got the game won.

Small forwards are insipid and half back distribution needs a major overhaul with the absence of Newman, Doch and Williams declining/moving out of the backline.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You look at any other team in the league doing well atm and they are all fundamentally moving the ball differently to Carlton. They rebound from the back half and get the ball in the hands of their half forwards in quick transition.

We lack rebound from the backline, often due to our abysmal defensive structures leaving us under pressure. Thus resulting in our primary mode of moving the ball being long to a contest where our KPP bring it to ground and our mids sweep up at ground level to try and get the ball moving again.

Given we have no small forwards that can actually impact up the ground all our mids have to commit to these contests meaning we are left exposed on the way back if we lose that contest and leaves us lacking structure ahead of the ball if we win it and want to get the ball moving quickly inside 50.

Our mids are fantastic ball winners and while they could do better in terms of running both ways consistently, they are absolutely the least of our issues.

We have no rebound from the back half without Newman and no forwards capable of getting involved in chains of play to allow easy hit ups inside 50.

Geelong, GWS, Hawthorn, Brisbane. None of them rely on their inside mids to deliver the ball inside 50 as much as Carlton do. In fact its not even close. Ours is just Cripps, Hewett, TDK, Cerra and Walsh banging it inside 50 over and over again and hoping Mckay and Curnow can pull off a miracle because our ball movement on the outside is non existent.

They're all one paced, can't kick, refuse to run both ways, low IQ, too reliant on Cripps and no pod...

If we persist with this midfield mix we are not going anywhere.

Being ball winners is irrelevant given all the flaws I listed.

 

[Jimmae]

Reckon some of you are thinking you're in the Voss or Gameplan threads...

Again, we paid too much for Saad for what he is, and what he had been previously worth. We turned him into an AA, but that's the best season he has had by far. At least he is quick, but he can't play anywhere but defence.

We recruited the shiny new toy in Cerra. A previous Pick 5 who can erase the failure of Dow at 3. But with Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy in the team, we really, really didn't need him.

I like Cez and I thought he played well tonight, so this isn't an attack on him. It just made no sense to pay so much for a player type we didn't need. We can't just stack up slow inside mids and try to fit them in the same side.

If Rowell wants to come to us, I wouldn't pay any more than a late first rounder for him, honestly. He is not what we need right now. When Cripps and Hewett have gone, yes.

I will admit that our game plan diminishes our skill level. It's not like some of these guys weren't known for good footskills. They certainly struggle in this archaic contested brand.

Maybe Voss forgets that he had the likes McRae, Lappin and Akermanis, to complement the work of him and Black.

In retrospect, Cerra trade holds up better than what we both initially felt.

Next options on the board were Gibcus, Amiss, Erasmus, Wanganeen-Milera, and Sinn, and we weren't entertaining the idea of Jones being banned (this was delusional, but this wouldn't have been a decision made purely by Austin), so that limited our options.

Trading down to the lower half of the first round would have provided favourable options, but not additional picks in the 14-20 range with talent we'd have been chasing, at least not without a future pick in the mix.

2020 draft was another tough one, but there was other value in the mix if we'd been prepared to offload some of our more expensive underperforming types at the time. Treloar, Jye Caldwell, Hogan, and Peter Wright stand out as incoming options.

We genuinely could have grabbed the two mids and one of the forwards instead of Saad, maybe even all four if we'd pushed hard in offloading names like Fisher, Kennedy, SPS, and never signed a bloke like Newnes on a 3 year DFA offer.

This would have also created more suitable opportunities for O'Brien and Dow, especially after a dogged year barely playing proper football in 2020.

So for those particular decisions I'd give him a C+, but overall he's not gone well.

 

[jd2010]

"Universal love" is very misguided

 

[jj1978]

Does he have a locker? I’m happy to help empty it, and if Voss’ one is nearby then as they say kill two birds with one stone.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

"Universal love" is very misguided

Well, at the time it was made.

You are correct however, I have now made him an escaping goat.

 

[jd2010]

Well, at the time it was made.

You are correct however, I have now made him an escaping goat.

Guess it shows the classic 2000s CFC fallacy

Universal love before achieving anything of note