Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach

[Sanders]

In relation to what? What I said about Freo starting a rebuild in 2016 is fact.

Irony is the guy whose claiming a rebuild didn't start in 2016 being proven incorrect telling someone else to shirk the stuff they got wrong.

Still shirking huh?

Anyhoo, take 2016 the supposed first year of their rebuild

Freo recruited Cam McCarthy & Brad Hill, giving up lots of draft capital to do so.

Freo then had 1 pick in the top 35 of the 2016 draft

They had 2 picks in the top 40 selections of the 2017 draft.


They were bringing in senior players all over the place: Matera, Hambling, Conca, McCarthy, Lobb, Hogan, Hill etc

If that’s a rebuild…

 

[Amacca 23]

It's not silly, there's literally media articles in which Ross Lyon has stated they signed off on a 4 year rebuild during 2016...

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

From an aritcle posted in EARLY 2017...
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That's straight from Ross Lyons mouth, you can see the graphic posted above, when you have pick 2 in the national draft its pretty obvious you are in a rebuild or starting one.

Some more from the same article dated MARCH 7, 2017 before the comp starts.
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Just in case that's not good enough for you go take a read yourself.

'Restump, rewire, replumb': Fremantle Dockers begin long rebuild to the top

Last summer, Fremantle coach Ross Lyon boldly declared the Dockers weren't about to fall off a cliff.

www.theage.com.au

So before you tell someone else they have no idea what they are talking about do your home work and learn. As all you've done now is make yourself look absolutely clueless now.

There's no shortage of evidence an reference to a rebuild commencing in 2016 you just dont want it to be true because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Exactly

 

[Sanders]

Lol George they started a rebuild in 2016 as stated above , just accept you got it wrong you're just embarrassing yourself deflecting.

I don’t think the guy who handwrote a list of such wrong information, and passed it off as fact should be talking about others embarrassing themselves

FFS you listed Hogan and Lobb as players DRAFTED by Freo.

Presumably because you were googling with all the frenzy of a fapping gibbon in overdrive

 

[Sanders]

Why would I delete it? They hit the draft hard & got the core of their best players in those 2 years.

Except they didn’t

 

[Sanders]

In relation to what? What I said about Freo starting a rebuild in 2016 is fact.

Irony is the guy whose claiming a rebuild didn't start in 2016 being proven incorrect telling someone else to shirk the stuff they got wrong.

Reading is hard I know. But you shouldn’t post links to articles you didn’t read or don’t understand

Especially ones that say the opposite to what you claimed!

The bizarrest thing, of many really weird claims, is that you tried to say they hit the draft hard when that is the opposite of what they did

 

[Sanders]

You started this by putting up a graphic with a list of names and stated, see look at those picks, they were rebuilding.

A graphic?

It’s his hand written list, that he made up because the actual data is different

 

[Sanders]

Exactly, he would have led with this and not listed a bunch of useless information in crayon.

He’s laughing whilst not acknowledging that his list was wrong in fact. Let alone interpretations

 

[George Kramer]

He’s laughing whilst not acknowledging that his list was wrong in fact. Let alone interpretations

But did you see the names Sanders, the names, they were very interesting!!

In all seriousness, gees they smashed their drafting, no wonder with some quality recruits they just smashed Melbourne. Oh and a coach that isn’t silly.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

A graphic?

It’s his hand written list, that he made up because the actual data is different

Its not mine it's from a Freo supporter but nice try Sanders

 

[VictorianCrow85]

He’s laughing whilst not acknowledging that his list was wrong in fact. Let alone interpretations

Nah sanders it says in the article clearly they signed off on a 4 year rebuild if you can't understand that we'll that's an indictment on your comprehension or could it be you just can't stand to be wrong and claim fake news when things aren't what you want?

 

[Sanders]

But did you see the names Sanders, the names, they were very interesting!!

In all seriousness, gees they smashed their drafting, no wonder with some quality recruits they just smashed Melbourne. Oh and a coach that isn’t silly.

I saw him claim a team with 1 pick in the top 35 in 2016 and 2 picks in the top 40 of 2017 “hit the draft hard”

They didn’t. They sold draft capital left right and centre to bring in senior, experienced recruits

This is not arguable (which is why he wrote a fake list).

Lachie Weller and Neale were poached from them, without which they’d have had even less draft picks

Sam Sturt (a massive first round fail) is now an interesting draft pick as are Hogan & Lobb

But a better question is: how actually does someone get confused about drafting Hogan and Lobb?

I’m not talking about a typo here, this is not a slip of the tongue. How actually does someone make that mistake?

What next, someone who thinks Sydney drafted Buddy or that Eddie Betts was always an Adelaide player?

That’s just a Google frenzy gone wrong, and shows the base knowledge involved.

The same way, someone posts an article filled with Ross Lyon saying “we’re not going to drop down. We’re going to win. It’s a dual narrative” and think that’s a rebuild

People with even basic football knowledge know that’s not what a rebuild is, that Jesse Hogan was one of the highest profile players in the league, and Rory Lobb was at one point, an emerging star with GWS

The person who doesn’t know basic facts is not being honest with their views or arguments.

 

[Sanders]

Its not mine it's from a Freo supporter but nice try Sanders

Lol. That’s even worse (if true)

 

[Sanders]

Nah sanders it says in the article clearly they signed off on a 4 year rebuild if you can't understand that we'll that's an indictment on your comprehension or could it be you just can't stand to be wrong and claim fake news when things aren't what you want?

Unfortunately I read that article

Suggest you do the same. All the way to end!

 

[Sanders]

To put things into a little perspective in 2016 of freo’s alleged first year of rebuilding they only made 4 draft picks

Adelaide for example, who finished 16-6, in the middle of their contending window made 5 draft picks in the main draft

Rebuilding Freo 4 picks, contending Adelaide 5 picks.

That’s not hitting the draft hard, and it’s not rebuilding by any definition of the term

 

[Crowboto]

When you are wanting your son to get another game and another contract, it's not as if he can rip into the coach relentlessly

This post probably best sums up the issues with the AFC, Port and SA in general really.

 

[George Kramer]

What I don’t get, these coaches have all played afl, been assistants for awhile. Yet we’ve seen stupid selections, stupid midfield set ups, stupid game plans. Now are they all on the same page when someone suggests these? Are they just overruled by Nicks? Does Nick listen to his assistants too much?

How does it happen? How can numpties on Big Footy identify these issues and not professionals who are paid a shit load of money to make good decisions?

 

[Anzacpaul]

What I don’t get, these coaches have all played afl, been assistants for awhile. Yet we’ve seen stupid selections, stupid midfield set ups, stupid game plans. Now are they all on the same page when someone suggests these? Are they just overruled by Nicks? Does Nick listen to his assistants too much?

How does it happen? How can numpties on Big Footy identify these issues and not professionals who are paid a shit load of money to make good decisions?

It's easy to call for changes when you've got no skin in the game. It's no different to the opposition to the government calling out all their mistakes, easy to pot when you aren't responsible for fixing the issue.

The club has a lot more to worry about besides long term on-field results.

They have sponsors, memberships, finances, etc etc etc.

I can totally see why the club makes some of the choices it does, especially around senior and long term contracted players.

It's easy for us to say "delist him", "trade him", "leave him in the SANFL", but when you've got millions of dollars invested in an asset you understand the need to try and make that work.

I certainly don't agree with a lot of it, but I find supporters like us on bigfooty are much more analytical and understanding than your average supporter who can't understand why we aren't pushing for finals yet.

 

[George Kramer]

It's easy to call for changes when you've got no skin in the game. It's no different to the opposition to the government calling out all their mistakes, easy to pot when you aren't responsible for fixing the issue.

The club has a lot more to worry about besides long term on-field results.

They have sponsors, memberships, finances, etc etc etc.

I can totally see why the club makes some of the choices it does, especially around senior and long term contracted players.

It's easy for us to say "delist him", "trade him", "leave him in the SANFL", but when you've got millions of dollars invested in an asset you understand the need to try and make that work.

I certainly don't agree with a lot of it, but I find supporters like us on bigfooty are much more analytical and understanding than your average supporter who can't understand why we aren't pushing for finals yet.

I have no doubt they are under a lot of pressure from various aspects for results which impacts on some of their decision making, but that doesn’t account for basic stupid decisions, ie such as going in with one KPD when facing an attack with multiple tall forwards, we’ve done this more than once. Decisions like playing another player at the contest and allowing Stewart to run amok, a week after seeing Hill run amok.

We dropped Crouch because our midfield mix was poor and he was playing poorly. Crouch all of a sudden isn’t going to become a different player after a few games in the SANFL and we saw the result on the weekend.

 

[Sanders]

The pressure comes when you’ve asked for time and patience, and that time is running out so you’re under pressure to be able to show something

Round 11 in 2021 4-7 85%

To that side, add another year of development and Jordan Dawson

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Round 11 in 2022 3-8 78%

It’s easy to see where the pressure is coming from

Remember no one signed up to a rebuild this deep and extravagant. We kinda got bounced into it, but with the promise of future goodies

That seems a long way off. Hence people feeling the pressure

 

[Interloperer]

What I don’t get, these coaches have all played afl, been assistants for awhile. Yet we’ve seen stupid selections, stupid midfield set ups, stupid game plans. Now are they all on the same page when someone suggests these? Are they just overruled by Nicks? Does Nick listen to his assistants too much?

Nicks has weird and superficial philosophies that can occasionally improve a small defect in an individuals games. But are inappropriate en masse, particularly when impressed upon inexperienced players without the lessons learned playing under a real coach.

It's why you have players strictly covering their direct opponent, while a different opposition player next to them walks unopposed into goal.

Or conversely you have Billy Frampton setting up to help out and intercept a pass to the Big Forward (tm) oblivious to his open direct oppnent.

Or repeatedly conceding 50m penalties because you want to be seen to be following your opponent back, more than you want to actively defend your opponent.

etc.

How does it happen? How can numpties on Big Footy identify these issues and not professionals who are paid a shit load of money to make good decisions?

Most of Bigfooty's suggestions are terrible. But if you imagine good strategy be lined up full back, then Nicks is at Full Forward and BF is on the bench. Not only are they both far from each other, but also far from optimal. And if you met in the middle, that would be terrible too.

 

[AFC979810]

The pressure comes when you’ve asked for time and patience, and that time is running out so you’re under pressure to be able to show something

Round 11 in 2021 4-7 85%

To that side, add another year of development and Jordan Dawson

Round 11 in 2022 3-8 78%

It’s easy to see where the pressure is coming from

Remember no one signed up to a rebuild this deep and extravagant. We kinda got bounced into it, but with the promise of future goodies

That seems a long way off. Hence people feeling the pressure

Not to mention we have had an absolute dream ride the past two years with regards to Injuries.

13-37 is our record under Nicks. 26% ain't gonna keep you employed as a head coach for too long in the AFL.

I feel bad for Nicks. It's obvious the players like him and they play hard for him. Our list is not in good shape at all and we lack true quality.

However, after 3 years in the doldrums for a footy club that has fired every coach who missed the finals two years in a row he is going to struggle to keep his job. First 10 rounds are going to be the deciding factor for Nick's coaching career IMO. If he isn't at least 5-5 after 10 rounds you would imagine he is gone ski.

 

[UcantCme]

Not to mention we have had an absolute dream ride the past two years with regards to Injuries.

13-37 is our record under Nicks. 26% ain't gonna keep you employed as a head coach for too long in the AFL.

I feel bad for Nicks. It's obvious the players like him and they play hard for him. Our list is not in good shape at all and we lack true quality.

However, after 3 years in the doldrums for a footy club that has fired every coach who missed the finals two years in a row he is going to struggle to keep his job. First 10 rounds are going to be the deciding factor for Nick's coaching career IMO. If he isn't at least 5-5 after 10 rounds you would imagine he is gone ski.

A dream ride with injuries means nothing when you have the youngest list based in age and games played

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[Sanders]

A dream ride with injuries means nothing when you have the youngest list based in age and games played

It already been shown there is no link between games played and results

 

[AFC979810]

A dream ride with injuries means nothing when you have the youngest list based in age and games played

On CPH2211 using BigFooty.com mobile app

Injuries mean a hell of a lot.

Can you imagine how uncompetitive we would be if we lost Keays and Dawson?!?!?!

 

[VictorianCrow85]

I’ve just read this, and I’m presuming you haven’t! Because it doesn’t seem to say what you said it does

Which is twice now you’ve been a bit shifty with the truth.

That article is very clear they’re trading in and trying to win!

Some other quotes

“Last summer, Fremantle coach Ross Lyon boldly declared the Dockers weren't about to fall off a cliff.”​

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"We've got a dual narrative," Lyon says.​

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"We're aiming high this year, but we all signed off on a four-year rebuild last year. Restump, rewire, replumb.”​

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“But it still means in the near term we are aiming to win and play better footy. That's going to be going on from now until the next four years.”​

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“The addition of Shane Kersten, Bradley Hill, Cam McCarthy and Joel Hamling could help fast-track Fremantle's rise.”​

It’s pretty clear to anyone who actually reads that, what is going on. And it’s not a rebuild!

they’re doing everything they can to avoid it. Trading in senior players, expending draft capital, and trying to not drop down

Next time, maybe you should handwrite the articles too so they say what you want

Lol Sanders only you could ignore the statement in point blank to try dig your heels in to preserve the idea that you are right...



What part of "but we all signed off on a four year rebuild last year" is ambiguous?? LMAO.

Oh thats right though sanders you're so gifted that you know better what the Freo football club was doing than Ross Lyon, the head coach at the time. Riiiiiiggggghhtttt LOL.