Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach

[MRB37]

completely agree on this, but it was clear what a major part of nicks job would be and that's developing young players for a finals tilt in a few years time, a lot of which were first round picks. Where as pyke was taking over a team that was in finals contention and playing for the now, its no excuse for the lack of development under pyke but say 30% of list needed developing under him compared to near on 90% under nicks, nicks is meant to be developing a playing group yet currently making selection decisions that don't reflect this.
if we were to take Dawson out the side, things would be a lot worse then what they currently are and is patching over the cracks somewhat, as many have said nicks is using him as a mr fix it to minimise the damage rather than the weapon by foot he should be.
using the rising star as a measure we have had 4 in nicks time, the fact that our 3 rising star nominees from the last 2 seasons have been playing sanfl, say their development has stagnated, whether this is purely a nicks thing or not he has had the support around him now since end of 2020 when changes were made to his coaching group, its year 3 of his coaching tenure even if according to the club its not about wins and loses then the development hasn't been there that was expected this year and that ultimately falls on nicks as coach.

The point is it may not 100% be on coaching, but on how we keep making the same mistakes with the types of players we recruit.

 

[MRB37]

And all those Pyke people have gone.

Which has been as big of a cause as any for the mess our list turned into. Completely decimated our 24-28 year old section of our side and made us hang on to what we did have more than we should have.

 

[CrowBox89]

The point is it may not 100% be on coaching, but on how we keep making the same mistakes with the types of players we recruit.

true it may not just be nicks coaching so is it player development, as you only need to look as far as Melbourne 10 or so years ago and Gold Coast over there time, you can't possible draft all these first round picks and a lot of them be no good, which points to coaching/development. Marco bello was bought to the club as head of development from hawthorn, so do the development short comings of these players fall more soo on him than nicks, player selection and postitioning at AFL level must fall on nicks as head coach, drafting pedlar for example as midfielder then trying to turn him into a small forward during the off season is that a coaching decision or development decision? look at hately and berry both drafted as midfielders, both been trialled as half forwards at AFL level and looked average, but when played midfield they look much much better, that has to be selection/coaching IMO.

 

[Sanders]

Which has been as big of a cause as any for the mess our list turned into. Completely decimated our 24-28 year old section of our side and made us hang on to what we did have more than we should have.

disagree. The tear down since 2019 onwards has been reckless and clumsy

The complete failure to recruit and draft before then was public record, and still allowing for that we tore down without a plan

 

[Sanders]

Development is the job of the coaches

It is literally their job

 

[MRB37]

disagree. The tear down since 2019 onwards has been reckless and clumsy

The complete failure to recruit and draft before then was public record, and still allowing for that we tore down without a plan

The teardown doesn't happen to the extent it does if we had something to show for our previous years. They did it as hard as they did because they felt they had to make up time and just played the numbers game thinking that would make up for it.

 

[Canuck_Crow]

It's frustrating watching the stagnation of the team, and it hurts that there isnt a clear game plan outside of dogged determination, but it kills a bloke when you know that after the pain of 2017 we have at least another 2-3 years before we could be a threat. and thats if the current group work out.

Here is my crystal ball prediction for Nicks. this year the club will start to win some dead rubber games (North, west, snag one of the hawthorn / port / gold coast games) they could get up to 8 wins. on paper it looks passable, the club sells the idea of growth, while blind freddie can tell its stagnation, then Nicks gets another go next year with the internal club belief that they are a top 8 chance, they stagnate again, dont make the finals, Nicks gets the flick and then they bring some one else end under the guise of being on the cusp. rinse and repeat.

 

[Sanders]

The teardown doesn't happen to the extent it does if we had something to show for our previous years. They did it as hard as they did because they felt they had to make up time and just played the numbers game thinking that would make up for it.

They did it as hard as they did because they’re ****ing idiots who thought they operated on some higher attack vector to everyone else

Glugging their own bath water like it was Kool Aid.

No other reason. They thought we had some great culture that existed outside of the players themselves, that was so embedded they could just plug and play into the matrix whenever they felt the time was right

They were pigeon’s trying to play 4d chess

And Nicks was complicit too

 

[CrowFrenzy]

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I don’t believe you

LOL. You normally find internet forum beta "males" give it a day or 2 before they flex their sagging muscle by harassing the newbies. You're a little beauty.

 

[Milo Cyrus]

Nathan Bassett

Nathan Bassett

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9.0

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1.8

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is the man for this job.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

They were selling draft capital left and right and centre to recruit big name top ups to avoid rebuilding under Ross Lyon.

For a team that didn't start their rebuild in 2016 & 2017 they sure drafted some interesting names...

Good call Sanders.



I look forward to your explanation on how 2016 & 2017 was used acquiring players to stay in contention Sanders.

 

[1970crow]

You only discuss the AFC on Bigfooty?

I will be your friend.

Alex?

 

[George Kramer]

For a team that didn't start their rebuild in 2016 & 2017 they sure drafted some interesting names...

Good call Sanders.
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I look forward to your explanation on how 2016 & 2017 was used acquiring players to stay in contention Sanders.

Umm, you might want to edit this post before Sanders sees it, oops too late.

In 2016 they traded in Cam McCarthy and Brad Hill. The trade for McCarthy saw them give up pick 3 for pick 7 and some later picks. Logue was the weakest player from that draft crop, Darcy was pick 38. They smashed that draft.

2017 they lost a player who wanted to go and they prized a top pick and they smashed that draft too. They also traded in Nathan Wilson and Brandon Matera.

What you have shown is how they have cleaned up with their draft picks and perhaps we need to get their guy because next to Ogilvie, our results are a joke in comparison.

 

[George Kramer]

As Nicks is dumb enough to create a game plan against Geelong that frees up Stewart to take 16 marks and 40 possessions, then he isn't the man for the job.

 

[Amacca 23]

As Nicks is dumb enough to create a game plan against Geelong that frees up Stewart to take 16 marks and 40 possessions, then he isn't the man for the job.

So its taken 6 years for freo to rebuild their list and yet ppl on here expect us to do it in 2 until our players get 50 games under their belt we are going to struggle at times , we have the youngest playing list in the afl age wise and games played , cant just wave a magic wand and fix this

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Umm, you might want to edit this post before Sanders sees it, oops too late.

In 2016 they traded in Cam McCarthy and Brad Hill. The trade for McCarthy saw them give up pick 3 for pick 7 and some later picks. Logue was the weakest player from that draft crop, Darcy was pick 38. They smashed that draft.

2017 they lost a player who wanted to go and they prized a top pick and they smashed that draft too. They also traded in Nathan Wilson and Brandon Matera.

What you have shown is how they have cleaned up with their draft picks and perhaps we need to get their guy because next to Ogilvie, our results are a joke in comparison.

Gee's you Sanders & 1970crow seem to form a fair posse on these forums. Always seem to fly the flag for each other...

Why would I delete it? They hit the draft hard & got the core of their best players in those 2 years. Why cant you bring in experienced players also if you have the capital to do so? By that logic we aren't rebuilding last year because we brought in Dawson, that makes no sense.

 

[George Kramer]

Gee's you Sanders & 1970crow seem to form a fair posse on these forums. Always seem to fly the flag for each other...

Why would I delete it? They hit the draft hard & got the core of their best players in those 2 years. Why cant you bring in experienced players also if you have the capital to do so? By that logic we aren't rebuilding last year because we brought in Dawson, that makes no sense.

It has nothing to do with a posse, when you post silly stuff it stands out. They did not hit the draft hard, what they did was nail their picks, let me rephrase that, they smashed their picks. They actually went backwards with pick 3 to bring a player in. If they had failed with those picks like us, the focus would have been on the senior players they brought in to help them top up.

 

[George Kramer]

So its taken 6 years for freo to rebuild their list and yet ppl on here expect us to do it in 2 until our players get 50 games under their belt we are going to struggle at times , we have the youngest playing list in the afl age wise and games played , cant just wave a magic wand and fix this

First off I am not sure what this has to do with my point about a game plan allowing Stewart 16 marks and 40 possessions. But to address your point, look at their 2016 draft haul compared to ours:

15 Gallucci
44 Poholke
51 EH
62 Signorello
75 Davis

There in lies the problem with our rebuild and why were are behind them.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Our list is going to stay the youngest because we're going to have to dump more players who haven't worked out and start over

 

[Amacca 23]

First off I am not sure what this has to do with my point about a game plan allowing Stewart 16 marks and 40 possessions. But to address your point, look at their 2016 draft haul compared to ours:

15 Gallucci
44 Poholke
51 EH
62 Signorello
75 Davis

There in lies the problem with our rebuild and why were are behind them.

Our list rebuild started in 2020 not 2016 but yes only 2 remain from 2016 and only eh on the main list

 

[MarcusP2]

Our list rebuild started in 2020 not 2016 but yes only 2 remain from 2016 and only eh on the main list

Who cares about rebuilding or not? You always need to replace players, not like we were flush with Geelong 2007 style players. Getting good players out of any draft reduces the work you need to do when you are 'rebuilding' - which is where I think Freo did well.

Any draft in which you don't pick up any decent players leaves a hole. A few in a row, and you are in the pit we are seeing.

If in 2016 we picked Berry/SPP, Darcy Cameron, Jack Graham, Luke Ryan and Mitchell Lewis where do you think we are now?

 

[LeftyLuke]

You would think so but then you see guys like Brodie Smith kicking poorly and you wonder whether it's also a coaching issue.

Smith kicking poorly isn't a coaching issue. He's declining and fast. His 1 wood has always been his long penetrating kick. That is fading as he has lost leg strength. He has always been a poor short passer of the ball.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Smith kicking poorly isn't a coaching issue. He's declining and fast. His 1 wood has always been his long penetrating kick. That is fading as he has lost leg strength. He has always been a poor short passer of the ball.

His impact on the game isnt anywhere near what it used to be either.. and hasnt been for over a year now.

He had 20 possessions on the weekend and I really cant even think of any that had a great impact on the game in the crows favour..

20 possessions and you barely notice, or remember, that he was even out there.

He needs to go back to the sanfl and find form and confidence… if he can..

Parnell in to replace him please.

 

[adelaidecrows]

John Olsen always says that what the board is looking for is “improvement”

Which can be interpreted as more games won or development of players. When they come to assess the year, I’m sure they’ll consider both

He is failing at development

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[jackster83]

Smith kicking poorly isn't a coaching issue. He's declining and fast. His 1 wood has always been his long penetrating kick. That is fading as he has lost leg strength. He has always been a poor short passer of the ball.

I noticed at the St Kilda game how his kicks seem to go loopier and not as far as they used to.