Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[TiAn_]

Good move by Baz to keep the contract length short. See what happens with our coaches before pissing his career away at the kennel.

Haha you’re right off em this week

 

[TBOW]

Not specifically related to anyones comments here, but why is it that when players sign a long contract it is too long and when they sign a short contract it is too short?!

Generally speaking the club is going to prefer a short contract as it give us way more flexibility and prevents us getting locked into a debilitating contract on a under performing player. Just look at the current narrative around Grundy.

 

[Bald]

Said it in the main board thread. If this goes the way I suspect it will, Baz is betting on himself to be worth infinitely more in two years. Which means he is going to put in the work.

I’m fine with it.

 

[Golden_6]

whats the rationale behind two years?

You're back at the contract table in a year's time for a young player.

I doubt this was the clubs choice.

There's every chance in 2 years times Baz could be a million dollar a year player when you include his marketing potential. He'll have to knuckle down over that period to ensure there are no more off-field indiscretions along with some skill improvements and he would comfortably get there IMO.

That being said, English, Naughton, JUH & Baz out of contract in 2024 is more frightening than what we have now.

 

[W W Biscuit]

It's not strickly Dunkley we need to worry about replacing, it's Libba who's spot was Dunkley's if he stayed around.
He's considered by some to be the best 'phonebox' player in the comp and Dunkley could compensate for that with brute strength and desire to tackle.

I do think a lot of us are seduced by what Dunkley can't do well, and ignore what he does do well. Baz & Treloar now have to rotate in the centre, we change our set up so either of those two play as a burst mid and we have a combo of Bont/Macrae/Libba/West rotate as sweepers?

I suspect Hunter is as gone as Dunkley.

We should take at least one first round pick to the draft, and with Bont/Macrae so close in age (and therefore retiring close to each other) it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for succession planning if we go for a mid (or mid/forward) with our first or second round pick.

I think it is absolutely imperative that we draft a good quality on-baller this year.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I think it's pretty clear Kingy.

Socially distancing from our opponents...during games.

Cordy's opponents must have COVID he's that far from them.

 

[doggies ftw]

I doubt this was the clubs choice.

There's every chance in 2 years times Baz could be a million dollar a year player when you include his marketing potential. He'll have to knuckle down over that period to ensure there are no more off-field indiscretions along with some skill improvements and he would comfortably get there IMO.

That being said, English, Naughton, JUH & Baz out of contract in 2024 is more frightening than what we have now.

Need two very good seasons first of all, and it makes it a lot lot easier to keep them at reasonable prices. That’s why it’s important we get shit very very right this off-season

 

[Freshwater]

Forget about the onfield for a moment. We have a superstar in Bont, but in Baz we have something so unlike Footscray/Western Bulldogs have ever had, a megastar off the field. Few players ever reach the status this kid has already reached in popularity. This can only be a good thing. Also the longer he plays with us the longer the association last forever.

 

[TiAn_]

Funniest possible outcome is Dunkley extending for 1 year so that’s what I hope happens. lols > everything.

 

[ScragCity]

Forget about the onfield for a moment. We have a superstar in Bont, but in Baz we have something so unlike Footscray/Western Bulldogs have ever had, a megastar off the field. Few players ever reach the status this kid has already reached in popularity. This can only be a good thing. Also the longer he plays with us the longer the association last forever.

I struggle to see how Bailey's instagram followers and billboard appearances in his underwear benefits the club in an tangible way.

 

[immortalmike]

I struggle to see how Bailey's instagram followers and billboard appearances in his underwear benefits the club in an tangible way.

Promotion, membership, brand awareness.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Baz re-signed for 2 years

Nnooooooooo!! Gone, gone, gone...I knew it. I just knew it ! Was always gonna happen, I just knew...

Oh, he's staying?

Never in doubt. I knew that

 

[W W Biscuit]

I struggle to see how Bailey's instagram followers and billboard appearances in his underwear benefits the club in an tangible way.

I'd sooner Bailey's underwear than Bevo's briefs.

 

[Bald]

I struggle to see how Bailey's instagram followers and billboard appearances in his underwear benefits the club in an tangible way.

Because when someone asks who that is on the billboard the answer is likely to be "Bailey Smith - he plays for the Western Bulldogs"

 

[CDBulldog]

Dangerfield being Clangerfield for a very long time is my example. I think Smith can get to an acceptable level eventually.

I think the problem stems from running flat out. It’s pretty difficult when putting on the jets to effect a pinpoint disposal. Just needs to focus on settling for a split second before kicking to get a bit of composure before disposing of the ball.

 

[dergert]

Dunks signs a 6 months contract

 

[flipper83]

I think the problem stems from running flat out. It’s pretty difficult when putting on the jets to effect a pinpoint disposal. Just needs to focus on settling for a split second before kicking to get a bit of composure before disposing of the ball.

And it's mainly the depth of the kick that's hard to get right at speed. That's why he can kick goals on his left from the pocket. He just has to worry about getting it straight.

 

[immortalmike]

I think the problem stems from running flat out. It’s pretty difficult when putting on the jets to effect a pinpoint disposal. Just needs to focus on settling for a split second before kicking to get a bit of composure before disposing of the ball.

I'd be okay if he even kicked the cover off the thing. He often tries to finesse something that isn't there.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I'd be okay if he even kicked the cover off the thing. He often tries to finesse something that isn't there.

Some of his on the run shanks are worthy of an amateur hack on the golf course smacking it 20 metres into the lake. I sometimes wonder how it's even possible to kick it so poorly.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think the problem stems from running flat out. It’s pretty difficult when putting on the jets to effect a pinpoint disposal. Just needs to focus on settling for a split second before kicking to get a bit of composure before disposing of the ball.

He plays the game at 110%, it’s not that he’s not skilled or making the wrong decisions it’s just composure - he’s played what 45 games? It’ll come!

 

[flipper83]

I actually think the stand rule has really hurt us this year being off the mark aside.
Our 'gun' midfield is built for working in heavy congestion. They typically have good awareness and fast hands around stoppages, good stamina to get from contest to contest and good vision to hit short kicks on angles.
Now the game is much more about fast transition and we just don't have the players with the running power and penetrating kick through the middle to compete anymore.
If we can close the game down, our congestion skills can shine, but we can't seem to do it consistently.
That's why I'm not that sold on trading 2 likely top 10 picks for Barras.
The way opposition teams transition though our zone means that we could have the best interceptor in the game standing at center half back and the opposition will just kick around them.
If we have 2 top 10 picks we could potentially get a gun midfield and gun defender for the next 15 years

 

[cleveland]

Keath retiring.

Body cooked

 

[adogsfan5]

Keath retiring.

Body cooked

That something you heard from your friend?

He does look extremely cooked - it’s very sad. Do you know what the injury is?

I think we need to develop Darcy as our next CHB. He could be the next De Koning.

 

[doggies ftw]

I actually think the stand rule has really hurt us this year being off the mark aside.
Our 'gun' midfield is built for working in heavy congestion. They typically have good awareness and fast hands around stoppages, good stamina to get from contest to contest and good vision to hit short kicks on angles.
Now the game is much more about fast transition and we just don't have the players with the running power and penetrating kick through the middle to compete anymore.
If we can close the game down, our congestion skills can shine, but we can't seem to do it consistently.
That's why I'm not that sold on trading 2 likely top 10 picks for Barras.
The way opposition teams transition though our zone means that we could have the best interceptor in the game standing at center half back and the opposition will just kick around them.
If we have 2 top 10 picks we could potentially get a gun midfield and gun defender for the next 15 years

I don’t really agree with that, it should play into our hands with our move the ball by hands style, our whole ball movement game revolves around over lap handballs and the stand rule should completely open it up for us. We have Daniel, Dale & Red peeling off half back for the overlap. Bont & Libba with super penetrating kicks plus Macrae/Daniel elite short kicks - two of the best at hitting those 45 angles in the league, which should again be completely open for us to hit with the stand rule. Baz & Treloar the run on the overlap forward of center.

It should play right into our hands but we’ve got bigger issues, more importantly for us is we’ve lost our contested edge - we used to win every hard ball and our handball game and spread was built on that, but other teams have worked out how to defend us in the contest - they just shut down the options rather than overcommitting to the contest which forces us to shovel the ball mostly backwards with dinky little handballs going no where before we’re forced to throw it on the boot, or even worse just turn it over on the hands whilst our defence has already pushed aggressively high to get involved.

You’re right that this team has previously thrived in congestion but currently congestion is our nemesis imo

 

[adogsfan5]