List Mgmt. Brady Rawlings | Head of Football Talent (Recruitment, LM & TPP)

[Psicosis]

Firstly, I think that trade period as a whole was great and the price we paid qas inconsequential given what we have netted. Tarrant was also gone, free agency with no compo value so his inclusion in my opinion is moot. I also think CCJ will be a seriously good player for us. I think we could get 200 games each out of Curtis and CCJ, and Bergman too could also be quite the player. I mean we also traded our future 3rd to get the other two, but I'm not worried about what we may have missed out on, and rather chosen to rightly celebrate what we have got. I also don't think talking about capital spent 12 months down the track in is the greatest indicator, for the same reasons I wouldnt entertain a tit for tat about McDonald vs Phillips, even those who incorrectly call McDonald a bust. I mean 12 months out Charlie Cameron for pick 12 was a stinker, now looks like a steal.

Lastly and honestly mate, I absolutely hate it when supporters come here and try to bait us North faithful, and many around here also dislike it. I come here to talk and sometimes argue with other passionate North fans, im a footy nuffy and yet the main board I generally leave well alone. I find it odd that many, yourself included which despite the ongoing repartee about CCJ i do rate your contributions very highly, do that very thing I hate! Each to their own I guess, but it does invite it back which I don't like

Look, if in a couple years we are looking back on the CCJ trade as a good deal because he has gone on to become a high quality ruck/forward for us; there will be no one happier then me. I think you’ll find I’m quite patient with many of our players, I still back the Phillips call, was one of LDUs fiercest supporters, and will continue to do so. I do not have the confidence in CCJ that others have, I didnt think a ruckman was something that we needed to spend that big on yet (will Clarko even want to play 2 rucks?), particularly one that was unproven at AFL level, but as I said I hope I’m wrong.

Further to that, the criticism for this trade has been constant by non North supporters & the media. It’s not just me having a whinge and dredging this up. There is currently no one happier that this trade ended up how it did, then Richmond supporters. Regardless of whether it becomes a good trade in the long term, there will always be North, Richmond & Neutral fans paying close attention.

I hope that it ends up being a win & if it does, then Brady/Luff/Noble and whoever else thought it was a good deal, will rightly deserve praise, however we are a long way from that IMO.

 

[DesertRoo]

Amarfio literally said Luff would be welcomed back to the club if he wanted to return (granted the same day he said Noble was our guy).

Who wasn’t going to employ them next year? Noble?

Funny how the world works, they’re all out the door.

 

[Zondor]

LOL at the Flying Hams. Pick 19 for a young ruck? Why? What is it with North and the want to recruit young rucks and spend a pretty penny doing so? Shit we picked up Edwards, another young ruck in the mid season draft. And we went again with CCJ. Stupid list management! Rucks in general are overrated. If they can't consistently clunk them in a contested situation or get ball around the ground what is their point? :stern look

Even when you consider the following. Say look at Collingwood. Lose their best ruck. No dramas they're into the Prelim. When Nic Nat didn't play in the GF a few years back for West Coast, no big deal. They still won. The outlier is Gawn and Jackson last season. In general rucks don't win yah premierships. They don't win yah finals. They are just big dudes blonking it about the football field. :stern look

Yah see this is the thing. How do yah score? Predominately from Turnover. Not from stoppage. Yeah sure your ruck can manufacture the odd goal. We saw it with that Goldy tap to The Bull to win us the Richmond game but by and large rucks are really not that important. So why cough up what in essence was pick 19 for a guy who is a young ruck who had played 9 games? And don't give me this points nonsense Hams. And don't try to justify the trade just because we then used some picks to move up the draft. Are you telling me that we couldn't have done so by other means? :stern look

And I'll finish with this. Had we walked CCJ through the preseason draft none of this would be an issue. But because we coughed up a future 2nd rounder which was always going to be around the 19 to 23 range many think that this was too high a price for a young unproven ruck. And Rawling should've been given the flick for it because at the end of the day he was the dude in charge of that shit. :stern look

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I wish people would stop arguing the ‘value’ of draft picks based on their arbitrarily assigned value.

Their ‘value’ extends to F/S and Academy bids. And that’s the end of it.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I wish people would stop arguing the ‘value’ of draft picks based on their arbitrarily assigned value.

Their ‘value’ extends to F/S and Academy bids. And that’s the end of it.

Incorrect.

 

[Roo Beauty]

Incorrect.

How is that incorrect?

 

[the flying ham]

LOL at the Flying Hams. Pick 19 for a young ruck? Why? What is it with North and the want to recruit young rucks and spend a pretty penny doing so? s**t we picked up Edwards, another young ruck in the mid season draft. And we went again with CCJ. Stupid list management! Rucks in general are overrated. If they can't consistently clunk them in a contested situation or get ball around the ground what is their point? :stern look

Even when you consider the following. Say look at Collingwood. Lose their best ruck. No dramas they're into the Prelim. When Nic Nat didn't play in the GF a few years back for West Coast, no big deal. They still won. The outlier is Gawn and Jackson last season. In general rucks don't win yah premierships. They don't win yah finals. They are just big dudes blonking it about the football field. :stern look

Yah see this is the thing. How do yah score? Predominately from Turnover. Not from stoppage. Yeah sure your ruck can manufacture the odd goal. We saw it with that Goldy tap to The Bull to win us the Richmond game but by and large rucks are really not that important. So why cough up what in essence was pick 19 for a guy who is a young ruck who had played 9 games? And don't give me this points nonsense Hams. And don't try to justify the trade just because we then used some picks to move up the draft. Are you telling me that we couldn't have done so by other means? :stern look

And I'll finish with this. Had we walked CCJ through the preseason draft none of this would be an issue. But because we coughed up a future 2nd rounder which was always going to be around the 19 to 23 range many think that this was too high a price for a young unproven ruck. And Rawling should've been given the flick for it because at the end of the day he was the dude in charge of that s**t. :stern look

In essence it was PVI of pick 38 zondor . And it isn't nonsense, it's easy for you to fixate on one detail out of a number of exchanges that occured. And yes, we could wonder about securing said picks via other means, but we didn't. And we have Curtis and Bergman now. I mean you want to omit those details so you get angry about things.

 

[the flying ham]

How is that incorrect?

Why'd the club apply for 6000 of them?

 

[Heaps of fun]

I wish people would stop arguing the ‘value’ of draft picks based on their arbitrarily assigned value.

Their ‘value’ extends to F/S and Academy bids. And that’s the end of it.

I was pulling my hair out when Richmond spent 3000 points on Anthony Banik.

 

[the flying ham]

I wish people would stop arguing the ‘value’ of draft picks based on their arbitrarily assigned value.

Their ‘value’ extends to F/S and Academy bids. And that’s the end of it.

You're right, theyre only the two biggest mechanisms that shape the draft order every year and who clubs will take based on where bids are made and the subsequent removal of lower order picks to work out where clubs will draft upon, and clubs use said PVI to trade for players. Other than that it's definitely the end of it.

 

[Roo Beauty]

Why'd the club apply for 6000 of them?

6000 points is not a physical asset. We receive the picks, and the picks alone. The points they are worth only mean anything if we have a FS or Academy bid to match.

Would you trade pick 1 for four picks in the 20s just because the “Trade Index” claims they are of equal value?

 

[giantroo]

The points does have value other than for academy/FS selections. Geelong for example used the points index to get Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

's value of pick 1 hence the glut of picks they received for him.



Same for Jeremy Cameron

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Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

 

[the flying ham]

The points does have value other than for academy/FS selections. Geelong for example used the points index to get Tim Kelly's value of pick 1 hence the glut of picks they received for him.

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Same for Jeremy Cameron

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Good post GR

 

[Mixed Results]

Draft points are fine, but a value needs to be assigned to a list spot.

The biggest flaw of the system is that you can bundle together a few picks in the 20s and say that it has the value of a top-five pick. For example, picks 24, 27 and 28 add up to pick four. That trade would never happen under any circumstances.

If you assigned an arbitrary point value of 350 as a penalty for each asset traded out in excess of what's coming in (in other words trading three picks for one would bring a penalty of 700 points), then all of a sudden the 24, 27, and 28 combination has the value of pick 9. The exact value would need tweaking, but this makes more sense to me as a way to capture the value of draft picks.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Draft points are fine, but a value needs to be assigned to a list spot.

The biggest flaw of the system is that you can bundle together a few picks in the 20s and say that it has the value of a top-five pick. For example, picks 24, 27 and 28 add up to pick four. That trade would never happen under any circumstances.

If you assigned an arbitrary point value of 350 as a penalty for each asset traded out in excess of what's coming in (in other words trading three picks for one would bring a penalty of 700 points), then all of a sudden the 24, 27, and 28 combination has the value of pick 9. The exact value would need tweaking, but this makes more sense to me as a way to capture the value of draft picks.

Add in another and you could even get Pick 2!

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

6000 points is not a physical asset. We receive the picks, and the picks alone. The points they are worth only mean anything if we have a FS or Academy bid to match.

Would you trade pick 1 for four picks in the 20s just because the “Trade Index” claims they are of equal value?

But think of the points value!!!

 

[King Corey]

But think of the points value!!!

I don't understand the pushback on this points thing.

Ok we've established they are used for:

-Trade valuations during arbitration
-Father-son and academy/NGA bid valuations

Other than that they are as useful as square rims on your car.

Maybe we should do this trade:

Out: Pick 1 - 3000 points
In: Picks 10, 27, 32, 46 - 3013 points

POINTS WIN!!!!

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I don't understand the pushback on this points thing.

Ok we've established they are used for:

-Trade valuations during arbitration
-Father-son and academy/NGA bid valuations

Other than that they are as useful as square rims on your car.

Maybe we should do this trade:

Out: Pick 1 - 3000 points
In: Picks 10, 27, 32, 46 - 3013 points

POINTS WIN!!!!

If anyone ever did that trade, they’d be rightfully tarred and feathered in front of the town hall.

 

[King Corey]

If anyone ever did that trade, they’d be rightfully tarred and feathered in front of the town hall.

Brady in the same innocent voice Costanza had after being advised it was wrong to sleep with the cleaning lady on his office desk:

"oh right, so I shouldn't have traded pick #1 out? Gotchya"

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Brady in the same innocent voice Costanza had after being advised it was wrong to sleep with the cleaning lady on his office desk:

"oh right, so I shouldn't have traded pick #1 out? Gotchya"

The points thing is the modern day equivalent of adding Liam Anthony to a trade to get it over the line.

 

[The acurate one]

I like Rawlings and think he has done well. Has been demoted twice now I believe?
At this rate he'll be



Brady Rawlings
Manager of match day footwear
and associated paraphernalia.


oh well

 

[King Corey]

The points thing is the modern day equivalent of adding Liam Anthony to a trade to get it over the line.

It's actually worse. LA was just a meme, people actually trot out a points return like you can use it.

BREAKING: Collecting every pick in the 30s still won't get you one of the 10 most highly rated young players in the country.

 

[Roo Beauty]

It's actually worse. LA was just a meme, people actually trot out a points return like you can use it.

BREAKING: Collecting every pick in the 30s still won't get you one of the 10 most highly rated young players in the country.

It’s baffling that people don’t understand this.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

It's actually worse. LA was just a meme, people actually trot out a points return like you can use it.

BREAKING: Collecting every pick in the 30s still won't get you one of the 10 most highly rated young players in the country.

Wait a minute, do you mean to say that the club that holds the 1st selection won’t immediately fall to their knees and beg a club to hand over a glut of second and third rounders in exchange?

I’m speechless.

I am without speech.

 

[the flying ham]

It's actually worse. LA was just a meme, people actually trot out a points return like you can use it.

BREAKING: Collecting every pick in the 30s still won't get you one of the 10 most highly rated young players in the country.

Quite literally every single club in the Afl does use it KC. Every club. 2016 called, they want their trading rules back. And to top it off, trotting out the complete hyperbole as if that is the yardstick of how clubs use it.